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Post by Somersetgas on Feb 11, 2024 11:22:57 GMT
Didn’t hear it yesterday, is this working? Or have I just become deaf, tolerant or too easily engrossed by the sparkling entertainment on the pitch?! Crowd did seem quite flat No I didn’t hear it, yesterday. Tom Gorringe has also replied, forwarded to the Safety Officer.
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Post by mftc on Feb 11, 2024 11:28:50 GMT
You can lead a horse to water........
I'm sure if you have time to re-read the programme notes from the Board (throughout the ages, at Eastville, Twerton and the Mem, the managers, Bob Twyford, Ian Holtby, Gorringe, the SC, the YP and the CT, there have probably been hundreds of messages saying, support the team, don't give opposition players, fans or officials abuse, don't use bad language or say anything that can offend. There certainly are lots of adverts in the current season edition giving warnings.
Maybe if the stewards did more, or if fans self policed it might make a difference, but some so called fans may take it as an affront in "I pay my money, you can't tell me what to say, or not say" and it may antagonize them into singing the song more often.
I don't have the answer but maybe one idea may be to try and drown them out with a song supporting the club. Difficult at the moment but some comments on here saying players are scared or not putting in the effort, well, a rousing Goodnight Irene, getting behind the boys may help inspire them on the pitch and the singers of "other" songs may look to sing along in support instead?
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Post by returnofthedust on Feb 11, 2024 11:32:28 GMT
Lyrics should be "f the c*ty and the Ashton 8" IMO. The Ashton Gate 8 were well and truly done over by the club at the time. One of them was a great servant for our club as well. Terrible idea.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Feb 11, 2024 11:55:22 GMT
As far as the original post goes ,well , i would imagine such a request would be well down the list of priorities (the song ban) resting in the 'in' tray. There is a danger that these threads can become quite toxic so it's always debatable whether to contribute .As for the song involved , well to me it does not register at a game and i take no notice of the words or sentiments expressed, it's just a background noise while watching the game. I would liken it to your own very young kids suddenly coming out with a 'naughty' word, they have heard it from somewhere but have no idea of it's perceived 'naughtiness. As for the subject of the song well that organization has ,in my life time, been responsible for some terrible atrocities against innocent men ,women and children of my country, atrocities i find it hard to forgive and even harder for anyone to justify, how our late great queen somehow managed it ,heaven knows, just another example of her sense of duty i suppose. This does not mean i hate the Irish, Ireland is just another European country to me with whom historically we have had 'problems 'with and them us, i Cheer for Northern Ireland as they are part of my country, the Irish republic i bracket with France ,Germany and all the rest. Many Irish footballers have and are earning a very good living in the UK and they are very welcome for the most part , on the other hand those who are happy to take our money and earn far more than they could back home and then insult the UK by refusing to pay due respect to a tradition such as 'remembrance' day, well that i find far more offensive than a chant which barely registers with me. For those rushing to give me a history lesson i refer to events 'in my life time' and am well aware of historical events. As for the City chants, the event referred to in the South stand is unforgivable , i do not hate City fans or the club and certainly would not wish any harm to the fans there . I don't like the club or the culture and rejoice when they lose, if they folded tomorrow i would shed no tears, as for their fans well all they are guilty of is making a bad choice and taking a wrong path in life and i am sure we have all done that ! but hate , nah, just don't care for them and like Ireland they are neighbours who we occasionally have trouble with!
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Post by ashlinggas on Feb 11, 2024 12:33:34 GMT
I can't usually be arsed to get involved with the controversial stuff on here, but after recently retiring as a deputy head of a secondary school in Portsmouth I have first hand experience of this. A bunch of lads, 15 and 16 had taken to singing this song in the playground. At Pompey the last line is " f--- the Pope and the IRA." As do Glasgow Rangers. I asked these lads what they knew about Irish history and politics. Nothing of course. However many were from naval families and the IRA were just on their list of historical enemies. I explained that from my point of view the IRA had (from their perspective) legitimate and honourable intentions from the 1920s, but by the 1970s had turned into a bunch of gangsters blowing up teenagers in pubs. They stopped singing it in school, but probably still sing it at Pompey. At least they know why..... I don't much like the one about dead City fans. Sorry, a lot of this is probably boring but it did touch a nerve. Unsure of what part of the curriculum that fell under. You pay someone to teach your kids to read and write and suddenly they come home with all the same political ideas as the teachers. Funny that! So what would you do? Ignore it? Join in?
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Feb 11, 2024 12:49:24 GMT
Speaking as someone who has stood both on the Tote End as someone of school age and the Popular Side at Twerton, we used to do chants where people took it in turns to chant ‘Celtic’ and ‘Rangers’ during a game, the numbers were pretty equal. Similar a lot of us used to wear ski hats when they were fashionable which consisted of 2/3rds of a Rovers badge and one panel of a big team. Again most had one of the Old Firm or Liverpool / Man U / West Ham / Chelsea and there was no animosity. This was the times when people used to sell ‘Bulldog’ or ‘National Front News’ on the way to the ground.
What I am trying to say is that Rovers have NEVER been a sectarian club, which why a load of kids singing about a time they know nothing about sticks in my craw so much. When there were so many good old Tote / Twerton songs to fall back on that never get an airing, the regular use of this one should be banned on the grounds of decency.
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 11, 2024 13:03:32 GMT
Speaking as someone who has stood both on the Tote End as someone of school age and the Popular Side at Twerton, we used to do chants where people took it in turns to chant ‘Celtic’ and ‘Rangers’ during a game, the numbers were pretty equal. Similar a lot of us used to wear ski hats when they were fashionable which consisted of 2/3rds of a Rovers badge and one panel of a big team. Again most had one of the Old Firm or Liverpool / Man U / West Ham / Chelsea and there was no animosity. This was the times when people used to sell ‘Bulldog’ or ‘National Front News’ on the way to the ground. What I am trying to say is that Rovers have NEVER been a sectarian club, which why a load of kids singing about a time they know nothing about sticks in my craw so much. When there were so many good old Tote / Twerton songs to fall back on that never get an airing, the regular use of this one should be banned on the grounds of decency. It's not an anti Irish or anti Catholic chant, though. It's unnecessary but we've sung worse imo. Questioning the parentage of the referee, wanting City fans dead and what Roger Malone did in private were worse. Either way, best left unsung.
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 11, 2024 14:14:23 GMT
Unsure of what part of the curriculum that fell under. You pay someone to teach your kids to read and write and suddenly they come home with all the same political ideas as the teachers. Funny that! So what would you do? Ignore it? Join in? I’d kick right off
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Post by gasfred on Feb 11, 2024 14:36:47 GMT
Left the ground yesterday after watching the dross served up and the first thing I thought was thank god I never heard the IRA song !!!
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Post by ashlinggas on Feb 11, 2024 14:51:06 GMT
So what would you do? Ignore it? Join in? I’d kick right off Fair enough
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Post by BrightonGas on Feb 11, 2024 17:52:44 GMT
Left the ground yesterday after watching the dross served up and the first thing I thought was thank god I never heard the IRA song !!! I was hoping to hear "fuxk the tactics and the Houthi rebels", didnt though.
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 11, 2024 18:23:11 GMT
The new Fans directors seem to be no better than Masters and BSS. In some ways it's a hard task not communicating on board matters they aren't entitled to. In other ways there are much more things they could be interactive with. The fans forum event they have kept closed to SC members which will only open to others fans if the SC members don't want to go. They could have invited people to apply with questions, filtered them and given those people the tickets. At least you're then guaranteed to get a wide cross section of views.
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Post by William Wilson on Feb 11, 2024 18:34:09 GMT
Speaking as someone who has stood both on the Tote End as someone of school age and the Popular Side at Twerton, we used to do chants where people took it in turns to chant ‘Celtic’ and ‘Rangers’ during a game, the numbers were pretty equal. Similar a lot of us used to wear ski hats when they were fashionable which consisted of 2/3rds of a Rovers badge and one panel of a big team. Again most had one of the Old Firm or Liverpool / Man U / West Ham / Chelsea and there was no animosity. This was the times when people used to sell ‘Bulldog’ or ‘National Front News’ on the way to the ground. What I am trying to say is that Rovers have NEVER been a sectarian club, which why a load of kids singing about a time they know nothing about sticks in my craw so much. When there were so many good old Tote / Twerton songs to fall back on that never get an airing, the regular use of this one should be banned on the grounds of decency. Singing, "f**k the IRA", should be banned on the grounds of decency? FFS.
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Post by DrFaustus on Feb 11, 2024 19:07:22 GMT
Speaking as someone who has stood both on the Tote End as someone of school age and the Popular Side at Twerton, we used to do chants where people took it in turns to chant ‘Celtic’ and ‘Rangers’ during a game, the numbers were pretty equal. Similar a lot of us used to wear ski hats when they were fashionable which consisted of 2/3rds of a Rovers badge and one panel of a big team. Again most had one of the Old Firm or Liverpool / Man U / West Ham / Chelsea and there was no animosity. This was the times when people used to sell ‘Bulldog’ or ‘National Front News’ on the way to the ground. What I am trying to say is that Rovers have NEVER been a sectarian club, which why a load of kids singing about a time they know nothing about sticks in my craw so much. When there were so many good old Tote / Twerton songs to fall back on that never get an airing, the regular use of this one should be banned on the grounds of decency. Singing, "f**k the IRA", should be banned on the grounds of decency? FFS. That is not the context is it? f**k the IRA, UDF etc etc and f**k sectarianism. I know that's what my great friend (fatherjack) was saying. Up the Gers. 🏴
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Post by gasmonkey on Feb 11, 2024 22:32:48 GMT
Whatever happened to “We are the gas, we are the gas, we are, we are, we are the gas” eh, I like the IRA song as much as I like the one about the dead rat. We live in a society where food banks are needed and food poverty is a real issue. I don’t think either are particularly clever. We could use some better songs really!!
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Feb 12, 2024 12:57:57 GMT
Whatever happened to “We are the gas, we are the gas, we are, we are, we are the gas” eh, I like the IRA song as much as I like the one about the dead rat. We live in a society where food banks are needed and food poverty is a real issue. I don’t think either are particularly clever. We could use some better songs really!! I think there are much more pertinent and worrisome things to bother about, maybe do something about over a stupid chant but that’s me. What next, we live in a nanny state as it is. That bothers me more than any song/chant
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Post by gashead79 on Feb 12, 2024 13:16:37 GMT
Whatever happened to “We are the gas, we are the gas, we are, we are, we are the gas” eh, I like the IRA song as much as I like the one about the dead rat. We live in a society where food banks are needed and food poverty is a real issue. I don’t think either are particularly clever. We could use some better songs really!! I think there are much more pertinent and worrisome things to bother about, maybe do something about over a stupid chant but that’s me. What next, we live in a nanny state as it is. That bothers me more than any song/chant Great idea! "When I was young, I had no sense, I bought a flute for 50 pence, The only tune, I could create, Was f**k the city and the Nanny State!"
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Feb 12, 2024 13:18:18 GMT
I think there are much more pertinent and worrisome things to bother about, maybe do something about over a stupid chant but that’s me. What next, we live in a nanny state as it is. That bothers me more than any song/chant Great idea! "When I was young, I had no sense, I bought a flute for 50 pence, The only tune, I could create, Was f**k the city and the Nanny State!" I genuinely love that
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Post by discodave on Feb 12, 2024 13:31:47 GMT
England play Ireland at the Aviva on the anniversary of the queens death , lets see what songs get belted out then .....
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 12, 2024 13:57:14 GMT
England play Ireland at the Aviva on the anniversary of the queens death , lets see what songs get belted out then ..... The Boys Are Back in Town by Thin Lizzy.
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