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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 12, 2024 10:00:30 GMT
Nail on head. It’s been our problem ever since Coughlan left.
Joey, for how much I likes some of the football, was always going on about the champions league and top flight. It watered me off somewhat. I don’t like this Hollywood end of the game for a start, but also, it’s a kind of arrogance in football I dislike.
Ever spoken to a premier league fan and had them scoff about the football in the lower leagues? They’re from Bristol generally but no, only the best will do for them, so they supported Manchester United but changed to Man City. I often ask them why not support Italy in a World Cup? Or Brazil? Same principle.
Anyway, Barton did what a lot of managers in our league do, which is apply principles from Pep and try to get players who can’t do it, to do it.
Pep has virtually always had the world’s best footballers. Mourinho I feel in his pomp actually achieved more. He took middle tier European teams and made them into fortresses. That’s tactics.
In our league, you need to do all the things Matt said. This isn’t the UCL.
Then, hopefully when you are promoted you have to change a little bit.
You can’t take a group of 7 year olds and give them the music to Lizt’s 2nf Hungarian rhapsody, but you can get them to learn twinkle twinkle little star.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2024 10:19:47 GMT
I hope Taylor talks and tells the truth to shut up some of our fans.
Wayne Carlisle deal agreed to work full time for us, club pulled it……..the reason is, Barton and all his team are still being paid and for many more months.
I mentioned we are speaking to players now, it’s not a shock, we have people like Sinclair coming off the wage bill in June on £5k a week.
Next season will see a reduced playing budget because of the Barton hangover, they are all paid for a minimum a year unless they get new jobs.
People having a pop at MT are stupid, he’s inherited a terrible situation, I don’t know why he took the job. But maybe that’s why we could only attract Monk and Robinson.
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 12, 2024 10:27:58 GMT
RD I do very much hope I am talking utter tripe. Nothing would please me more. I hope Roady is right and these new players of Championship quality will come in.
I laugh when I hear Taylor talking about the squad in the same way as JB did when he came in- now that was a squad of useless players.
The squad we have now is,when all are fit a good squad that needs a few changes and a complete change of attitude and tactics.
In January we basically needed a striker (two if you take into account losing Collins, a centre half due to recent injuries and a reliable left back.
The one thing I have never agreed with is having so man y loans that are regular players. IMO you should have your own team with the loan players boosting the squad and pushing your first team. I fully believe also that whoever is Manager at the beginning of the season should be the Manager at the end of the season. This would cut out the ridiculous situation that football is in at the moment when Managers are sacked after four of five games. IMO the only thing that is important is the position a team is in come May.
I am worried the position we will now find ourselves in May and so heres hoping we pick up some surprise results as soon as possible.
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Post by gashead79 on Feb 12, 2024 10:28:27 GMT
The big querstion is- Does Taylor have the ability to build the squad for next season. There are n o obvious signs he has. You would expect your Manager to have knowledge of the players available and I would have expected Taylor to know in January who was available but the things he said when he arrived about lack of scouting indicated he didnt have a clue on that side. JB had so many contacts and I am convinced the team only needed a bit of smart business in January. A striker like JCH would have been a big step forward. As it is we have taken a huge step backwards. Can't see that you've said much wrong here tbh. No signs of contacts, no sign that the players are responding to him either. Your first point is the only one we can focus on though, and he needs time to work. Hopefully we finish above 19th this season and MT can give it a good crack once he's cleared out the squad and red lined it. The constant comparisons and childish names(messiah etc) are tiresome btw. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Feb 12, 2024 10:39:21 GMT
I hope Taylor talks and tells the truth to shut up some of our fans. Wayne Carlisle deal agreed to work full time for us, club pulled it……..the reason is, Barton and all his team are still being paid and for many more months.
I mentioned we are speaking to players now, it’s not a shock, we have people like Sinclair coming off the wage bill in June on £5k a week. Next season will see a reduced playing budget because of the Barton hangover, they are all paid for a minimum a year unless they get new jobs. People having a pop at MT are stupid, he’s inherited a terrible situation, I don’t know why he took the job. But maybe that’s why we could only attract Monk and Robinson. The owners knew from the outset that they would have to continue paying JB and co, so they obviously conned MT when verbally agreeing that he could have Wayne Carlisle here full time. Doesn't give me much faith that they will back him financially in the summer, hope that I'm wrong. |
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Post by DrFaustus on Feb 12, 2024 10:42:10 GMT
I genuinely can’t believe people are even contemplating changing manager! The guy has signed ONE of his own players! He’s been honest in his evaluation of the players Let’s give him time to get the right calibre of player that we all know we need. Conteh was a good indication of where we should be headed. Put Taylor, Finley, Ward, McCormick and Martin back in that team and it’s a different story Turf out the crocks and those not good enough and build around the undoubtedly good players we do have This process might take another year or so but at some point we need to stop being a basket case Surely you can see that Pirate! I’m not sure you’ll ever make your mind up on a manager! UTG I said it was my last post above but this one is so to the point I have to praise it, and as you say, he’s only signed one player of his own so far. I don’t know what has got into Wes, we usually agree on most things, some of the players look like that are not having Taylor, it doesn’t suprise me, it’s happens, it did with Lines and Cogs. It’s clear we also have some terrible players as well, James Daly went non league for a period, I think 5 or 6 of ours will as well. As for the original poster, strange thread, doesn’t give his opinion at all, we all knew Taylor spoke on the radio, covered on official Twitter post and You Tube Channel………..what’s your opinion? Apologies for sharing the manager's words. Will ask permission next time. As for my opinion, it's not relevant and I'll pass. Have fun. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2024 11:02:30 GMT
I said it was my last post above but this one is so to the point I have to praise it, and as you say, he’s only signed one player of his own so far. I don’t know what has got into Wes, we usually agree on most things, some of the players look like that are not having Taylor, it doesn’t suprise me, it’s happens, it did with Lines and Cogs. It’s clear we also have some terrible players as well, James Daly went non league for a period, I think 5 or 6 of ours will as well. As for the original poster, strange thread, doesn’t give his opinion at all, we all knew Taylor spoke on the radio, covered on official Twitter post and You Tube Channel………..what’s your opinion? Apologies for sharing the manager's words. Will ask permission next time. As for my opinion, it's not relevant and I'll pass. Have fun. No permission needed, just a bit 💩🏠 ery not giving an opinion and if yours is not relevant, what does this make any of ours or this forum? Fence sitter pal 👍 |
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Post by DrFaustus on Feb 12, 2024 11:05:56 GMT
My opinion is not relevant and I thought a wider audience may want to read the manager's words.
You have a propensity for using terms and emojis that really don't help enthuse others to respond.
Back to my life, so enjoy yours.
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Post by returnofthedust on Feb 12, 2024 11:09:34 GMT
I hope Taylor talks and tells the truth to shut up some of our fans. Wayne Carlisle deal agreed to work full time for us, club pulled it……..the reason is, Barton and all his team are still being paid and for many more months.
I mentioned we are speaking to players now, it’s not a shock, we have people like Sinclair coming off the wage bill in June on £5k a week. Next season will see a reduced playing budget because of the Barton hangover, they are all paid for a minimum a year unless they get new jobs. People having a pop at MT are stupid, he’s inherited a terrible situation, I don’t know why he took the job. But maybe that’s why we could only attract Monk and Robinson. The owners knew from the outset that they would have to continue paying JB and co, so they obviously conned MT when verbally agreeing that he could have Wayne Carlisle here full time. Doesn't give me much faith that they will back him financially in the summer, hope that I'm wrong. The owners consistently say one thing and do the opposite. See the managers job. They told 3 different people the job was theirs before going to Taylor. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2024 11:21:27 GMT
I'm not convinced we will end the season with him in charge now .... if this sh**e footballing lack of effort continues he will be gone in March and then the owners son will probably step in and try and keep us in L1.
Talk of a huge hike in season ticket prices as well for next season -
Fans are truly being tested by this awful new leadership regime.
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Post by pirate on Feb 12, 2024 11:28:45 GMT
I genuinely can’t believe people are even contemplating changing manager! The guy has signed ONE of his own players! He’s been honest in his evaluation of the players Let’s give him time to get the right calibre of player that we all know we need. Conteh was a good indication of where we should be headed. Put Taylor, Finley, Ward, McCormick and Martin back in that team and it’s a different story Turf out the crocks and those not good enough and build around the undoubtedly good players we do have This process might take another year or so but at some point we need to stop being a basket case Surely you can see that Pirate! I’m not sure you’ll ever make your mind up on a manager! UTG I said it was my last post above but this one is so to the point I have to praise it, and as you say, he’s only signed one player of his own so far. I don’t know what has got into Wes, we usually agree on most things, some of the players look like that are not having Taylor, it doesn’t suprise me, it’s happens, it did with Lines and Cogs. It’s clear we also have some terrible players as well, James Daly went non league for a period, I think 5 or 6 of ours will as well. As for the original poster, strange thread, doesn’t give his opinion at all, we all knew Taylor spoke on the radio, covered on official Twitter post and You Tube Channel………..what’s your opinion? What has got into me? The same concerns I had when he was rumoured to be joining. Those fears have actually heightened now due to his performance here. This season Taylor had the chance to go and stamp his mark on the Rotherham side and was even allowed to break the Rotherham transfer record twice, but looked out of his depth at the level (that we aspire to get to!) and things continued on the same downward trajectory. We've seen a similar inability to turn things around here, why will things be any different next season? At Rotherham 0.69 PPM, no away wins in the past YEAR, conceding an average of 2 goals a game with 32 conceded in 16 games, just 15 goals scored and only two wins when he was sacked with Rotherham cut adrift of fourth bottom. A total 20% win percentage during his time at club, a PPM of 0.90 and an overall -38 goal difference. If someone like a Steve Evans had gone back in there with the chance to break transfer records, do you think things would have been just as bad? I don't. Expectations are lower at Exeter and Taylor has a lack of experience at this level, having only been in charge for 11 games with 4 wins. Can he handle egos? Some of the players aren't having him you say. What is his recruitment record like and can he handle a decent budget? Things got worse in his previous job after breaking their transfer record twice in one window. What are his contacts like? Eye for a non-league or lower league gem? Don't really see much evidence of that at Exeter or Rotherham. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 12, 2024 11:37:42 GMT
I said it was my last post above but this one is so to the point I have to praise it, and as you say, he’s only signed one player of his own so far. I don’t know what has got into Wes, we usually agree on most things, some of the players look like that are not having Taylor, it doesn’t suprise me, it’s happens, it did with Lines and Cogs. It’s clear we also have some terrible players as well, James Daly went non league for a period, I think 5 or 6 of ours will as well. As for the original poster, strange thread, doesn’t give his opinion at all, we all knew Taylor spoke on the radio, covered on official Twitter post and You Tube Channel………..what’s your opinion? What has got into me? The same concerns I had when he was rumoured to be joining. Those fears have actually heightened now due to his performance here. This season Taylor had the chance to go and stamp his mark on the Rotherham side and was even allowed to break the Rotherham transfer record twice, but looked out of his depth at the level (that we aspire to get to!) and things continued on the same downward trajectory. We've seen a similar inability to turn things around here, why will things be any different next season? At Rotherham 0.69 PPM, no away wins in the past YEAR, conceding an average of 2 goals a game with 32 conceded in 16 games, just 15 goals scored and only two wins when he was sacked with Rotherham cut adrift of fourth bottom. A total 20% win percentage during his time at club, a PPM of 0.90 and an overall -38 goal difference. If someone like a Steve Evans had gone back in there with the chance to break transfer records, do you think things would have been just as bad? I don't. Expectations are lower at Exeter and Taylor has a lack of experience at this level, having only been in charge for 11 games with 4 wins. Can he handle egos? Some of the players aren't having him you say. What is his recruitment record like and can he handle a decent budget? Things got worse in his previous job after breaking their transfer record twice in one window. What are his contacts like? Eye for a non-league or lower league gem? Don't really see much evidence of that at Exeter or Rotherham. I don't know how you think comments like "Monotone Matt" are helpful. Also how are Rotherham doing since He's left them? They've won about 1 game I think! We need to give the guy a chance and he needs to get some decent backing from the owners like JB was given. Give him the summer and next season. This season is now just about assessing what we have and having a clear out ready for next season. Players are fighting for their Rovers futures now (or at least should be). |
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Post by yattongas on Feb 12, 2024 11:55:43 GMT
I'm not convinced we will end the season with him in charge now .... if this sh**e footballing lack of effort continues he will be gone in March and then the owners son will probably step in and try and keep us in L1. Talk of a huge hike in season ticket prices as well for next season - Fans are truly being tested by this awful new leadership regime. Take a chill pill mate . You’re prone to a bit of fatalism on here , not that long ago you were saying you couldn’t see where our next point was coming from…. Then we went on a pretty good run ! Some of the stuff being chucked at the owners is a bit unsavoury imo and they should at least be given a little time . |
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Post by madgas on Feb 12, 2024 12:02:19 GMT
I hope Taylor talks and tells the truth to shut up some of our fans. Wayne Carlisle deal agreed to work full time for us, club pulled it……..the reason is, Barton and all his team are still being paid and for many more months. I mentioned we are speaking to players now, it’s not a shock, we have people like Sinclair coming off the wage bill in June on £5k a week. Next season will see a reduced playing budget because of the Barton hangover, they are all paid for a minimum a year unless they get new jobs. People having a pop at MT are stupid, he’s inherited a terrible situation, I don’t know why he took the job. But maybe that’s why we could only attract Monk and Robinson. So... at what point is it fair to judge Taylor? I'm constantly wanting the club to move on from JB and get resources are what they are... but he was introduced as the man to get more from this bunch on players because the previous manager did not achieve the points necessary from their investment. Personally, I think it's fair that some fans are questioning this. He was their man with experience of this level... (limited). Who could get us promoted from league one (not yet achieved). Who had managed at the level above (questionable success). I'm playing a little devil's advocate here because he's won me over. But you do sense he's not had the backing that the decision to sack Barton should've come with and just blaming Barton or Wael for backing him is childish. These consequences aren't surprising... The board should've said- were sacking Barton because he doesn't reflect the values we want Bristol Rovers built on. It wouldn't have put this silly expectation on the new manager. The debacle that was searching for a replacement has really disrupted the fan base. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2024 12:45:01 GMT
What has got into me? The same concerns I had when he was rumoured to be joining. Those fears have actually heightened now due to his performance here. This season Taylor had the chance to go and stamp his mark on the Rotherham side and was even allowed to break the Rotherham transfer record twice, but looked out of his depth at the level (that we aspire to get to!) and things continued on the same downward trajectory. We've seen a similar inability to turn things around here, why will things be any different next season? At Rotherham 0.69 PPM, no away wins in the past YEAR, conceding an average of 2 goals a game with 32 conceded in 16 games, just 15 goals scored and only two wins when he was sacked with Rotherham cut adrift of fourth bottom. A total 20% win percentage during his time at club, a PPM of 0.90 and an overall -38 goal difference. If someone like a Steve Evans had gone back in there with the chance to break transfer records, do you think things would have been just as bad? I don't. Expectations are lower at Exeter and Taylor has a lack of experience at this level, having only been in charge for 11 games with 4 wins. Can he handle egos? Some of the players aren't having him you say. What is his recruitment record like and can he handle a decent budget? Things got worse in his previous job after breaking their transfer record twice in one window. What are his contacts like? Eye for a non-league or lower league gem? Don't really see much evidence of that at Exeter or Rotherham. I don't know how you think comments like "Monotone Matt" are helpful. Also how are Rotherham doing since He's left them? They've won about 1 game I think! We need to give the guy a chance and he needs to get some decent backing from the owners like JB was given. Give him the summer and next season. This season is now just about assessing what we have and having a clear out ready for next season. Players are fighting for their Rovers futures now (or at least should be). Spot on this, and unless we go into relegation freefall, why are we not giving the manager until the summer to have his own go at it? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2024 12:51:07 GMT
I hope Taylor talks and tells the truth to shut up some of our fans. Wayne Carlisle deal agreed to work full time for us, club pulled it……..the reason is, Barton and all his team are still being paid and for many more months. I mentioned we are speaking to players now, it’s not a shock, we have people like Sinclair coming off the wage bill in June on £5k a week. Next season will see a reduced playing budget because of the Barton hangover, they are all paid for a minimum a year unless they get new jobs. People having a pop at MT are stupid, he’s inherited a terrible situation, I don’t know why he took the job. But maybe that’s why we could only attract Monk and Robinson. So... at what point is it fair to judge Taylor? I'm constantly wanting the club to move on from JB and get resources are what they are... but he was introduced as the man to get more from this bunch on players because the previous manager did not achieve the points necessary from their investment. Personally, I think it's fair that some fans are questioning this. He was their man with experience of this level... (limited). Who could get us promoted from league one (not yet achieved). Who had managed at the level above (questionable success). I'm playing a little devil's advocate here because he's won me over. But you do sense he's not had the backing that the decision to sack Barton should've come with and just blaming Barton or Wael for backing him is childish. These consequences aren't surprising... The board should've said- were sacking Barton because he doesn't reflect the values we want Bristol Rovers built on. It wouldn't have put this silly expectation on the new manager. The debacle that was searching for a replacement has really disrupted the fan base. Judging Taylor, he’s made mistakes for sure, Vaughan against Fleetwood was mental in those conditions. Saturday his subs were strange as well. But look at his picks, John Road Runner like a fan playing up front Marquis, the passenger Grant, and Gordon. You literally put Taylor, Finley and Martin back in the side, also Vale, and you get Oxford game results. Gordon is light years off Vale, Baggott isn’t Taylor, Marquis isn’t an unfit Martin. When Taylor, Finley and Martin play, we look another side. How many were at Norwich away and the first 60 mins at home? Darren Huckerby tweeted we were the championship side. In those games Grant played RB, about his best position. Against these, and Pompey, Finley and Ward were running about dictating, I’m sorry but Grant and Vaighan can’t do this and Conteh isn’t up to Ward levels yet. The injuries have killed our best players, the spine of our side. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Feb 12, 2024 13:00:15 GMT
RD I do very much hope I am talking utter tripe. Nothing would please me more. I hope Roady is right and these new players of Championship quality will come in. I laugh when I hear Taylor talking about the squad in the same way as JB did when he came in- now that was a squad of useless players. The squad we have now is,when all are fit a good squad that needs a few changes and a complete change of attitude and tactics. In January we basically needed a striker (two if you take into account losing Collins, a centre half due to recent injuries and a reliable left back. The one thing I have never agreed with is having so man y loans that are regular players. IMO you should have your own team with the loan players boosting the squad and pushing your first team. I fully believe also that whoever is Manager at the beginning of the season should be the Manager at the end of the season. This would cut out the ridiculous situation that football is in at the moment when Managers are sacked after four of five games. IMO the only thing that is important is the position a team is in come May. I am worried the position we will now find ourselves in May and so heres hoping we pick up some surprise results as soon as possible. Agree with almost all but the squad being even close to good |
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Post by toggsy2 on Feb 12, 2024 14:28:03 GMT
Say what you like about Joey but he was a good motivator, I just don't see that with Taylor he comes across as very vanilla.
Can't see Taylor staying if the form doesn't improve.
If Taylor does go as much as it pains me to say it I would be looking at Steve Evans as his replacement you only have to look at how he has turned a struggling Stevenage side close to losing their league position to a playoff challenging league 1 side
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 12, 2024 14:41:40 GMT
Whether you like / dislike, agree / disagree with MT comments, I feel he is at least telling it how it is.
However unpalatable it might appear.
Everyone has different management styles, my personal preference is to conduct doing your dirty washing indoors....so atm, he hasn't singled out publicly any blame to individual players - even though we all know some need a 'breather' or suchlike - so for me, that's a huge improvement and correctly respectful.
Part of the transition process is going to be difficult to watch for us fans, but difficult for him to manage as there will be invariably majority of players told this year their services aren't required anymore. And if we can help with those people, because that's what they are with families and bills to pay, to find work elsewhere.
He's managing the situation inside the club.
He's trying to manage the recruitment potential outside the club, with players you and I have never heard of on his radar.
It's difficult watching, but you're literally seeing before you the end of previous manager ideas and views mixed with start of new manager ideas and views. It's (to me) nothing unexpected, the inconsistencies roll ... Hold Fast, Gas!
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Post by Somersetgas on Feb 12, 2024 14:42:49 GMT
I'm not convinced we will end the season with him in charge now .... if this sh**e footballing lack of effort continues he will be gone in March and then the owners son will probably step in and try and keep us in L1. Talk of a huge hike in season ticket prices as well for next season - Fans are truly being tested by this awful new leadership regime. Ticket prices are mad, I brought along someone for pay on the day, £26 to stand on the East Terrace against Burton, I dread to think what the price will be next season. Not only that but as a casual fan they won’t be back this season, performance on the pitch and catering, they even managed to run out of ketchup before the game started. |
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