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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 12, 2024 0:20:44 GMT
No, he wrote appoint a proper football person. š š® Only teasing. š We do seem to have slightly mixed opinions about the future of the team by two posters with close association. Can they both be right? š§ |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 12, 2024 1:10:38 GMT
We're a mid table team getting mid table results.
Of all clubs, we're bloody good at losing to the league strugglers and ending atrocious losing runs. We pull our socks up against the big boys but more often than not fail to get the results. It's what we do.
We will be fine even if we have an atrocious run until the end of the season.
Stick with MT and give him the chance to assemble his own squad in the summer. If we're still sh**e in November we move him on. He's no Garner, there's no point in having another change of management at this stage.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Feb 12, 2024 5:53:08 GMT
Talk of another manager change already? once the decision to sack JB was made ( and I thought from a playing side was a bit previous, JB still learning his trade at the time and had a lot to learn tactically, but i believe would have got there) think we have to give M.T a fair crack of the whip, we aint going anywhere this season so he has a good oppertunity to put things in place ready for next season, which always seems to be the case with Rovers , always 'maybe next season'!, such is life as a Rovers fan!
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Post by supergas on Feb 12, 2024 6:46:19 GMT
And despite this (which has been pretty obvious all season!), he seems totally inept at getting anywhere near the same levels as the previous 2 managers did from this squad. Curious...where does his points per game rank compared to Barton and Mangan? This has been the worst football out of the 3 with the most excuses given This season alone according to Wiki the win ratios are: AM 57% JB 38.5% MT 35% AM's figure, assuming it's correct, seriously brings into question that this squad can't cope with the physical side of L1, is MT just trying to fool us? Let's keep it to League games so it's a fair playing field (the EFL Trophy is meaningless, all our other cup games were against higher or lower opposition teams: Barton P13 W4 D4 L5 Wins 31% PPG 1.23 F18 A18 Mangan P6 W2 D3 L1 Wins 33% PPG 1.50 F7 A5 Taylor P13 W5 D1 L7 Wins 38% PPG 1.23 F17 A20 Hard to read to much into Mangan's results as it's a small sample including two sides at towards the bottom of the table. |
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Post by pirate on Feb 12, 2024 8:00:25 GMT
This season alone according to Wiki the win ratios are: AM 57% JB 38.5% MT 35% AM's figure, assuming it's correct, seriously brings into question that this squad can't cope with the physical side of L1, is MT just trying to fool us? Let's keep it to League games so it's a fair playing field (the EFL Trophy is meaningless, all our other cup games were against higher or lower opposition teams: Barton P13 W4 D4 L5 Wins 31% PPG 1.23 F18 A18 Mangan P6 W2 D3 L1 Wins 33% PPG 1.50 F7 A5 Taylor P13 W5 D1 L7 Wins 38% PPG 1.23 F17 A20 Hard to read to much into Mangan's results as it's a small sample including two sides at towards the bottom of the table. Progress? Attachment Deleted |
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Feb 12, 2024 8:02:32 GMT
Could argue Taylor has played more of the lesser sides as well. Easier run of home games?
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Post by mftc on Feb 12, 2024 8:38:14 GMT
Let's keep it to League games so it's a fair playing field (the EFL Trophy is meaningless, all our other cup games were against higher or lower opposition teams: Barton P13 W4 D4 L5 Wins 31% PPG 1.23 F18 A18 Mangan P6 W2 D3 L1 Wins 33% PPG 1.50 F7 A5 TaylorĀ P13 W5 D1 L7 Wins 38% PPG 1.23 F17 A20 Hard to read to much into Mangan's results as it's a small sample including two sides at towards the bottom of the table.Ā Progress? View AttachmentStats can be misleading. Who has had the highest number of injuries, who had a bigger budget, who has lost more key players, etc. If you look at the wages for Barton, Mangen, Whelan, the former Accy coach, an analyst, Joeys mate, Bogarde, Woods, Belly, Collins and Clarke compared to now, I'm sure it is much much more. Could well be a Ā£million less and lots of experience and we except better? Truth is we don't know what is going on behind the scenes. I would guess in January we only tried to sign our main targets. If we couldn't get them, we got cheap loans and looked to rebuild in the summer. |
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Post by mftc on Feb 12, 2024 8:42:37 GMT
This season alone according to Wiki the win ratios are: AM 57% JB 38.5% MT 35% AM's figure, assuming it's correct, seriously brings into question that this squad can't cope with the physical side of L1, is MT just trying to fool us? Let's keep it to League games so it's a fair playing field (the EFL Trophy is meaningless, all our other cup games were against higher or lower opposition teams: Barton P13 W4 D4 L5 Wins 31% PPG 1.23 F18 A18 Mangan P6 W2 D3 L1 Wins 33% PPG 1.50 F7 A5 TaylorĀ P13 W5 D1 L7 Wins 38% PPG 1.23 F17 A20 Hard to read to much into Mangan's results as it's a small sample including two sides at towards the bottom of the table.Ā Could say who has brought in more income - cup win bonus, share of cup gate recipts, player sales. I'm sure someone could do the stats and Taylor would win hands down. Lies and statistics and all that. |
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Post by kampucheagas on Feb 12, 2024 8:47:23 GMT
I genuinely canāt believe people are even contemplating changing manager!
The guy has signed ONE of his own players!
Heās been honest in his evaluation of the players
Letās give him time to get the right calibre of player that we all know we need. Conteh was a good indication of where we should be headed.
Put Taylor, Finley, Ward, McCormick and Martin back in that team and itās a different story
Turf out the crocks and those not good enough and build around the undoubtedly good players we do have
This process might take another year or so but at some point we need to stop being a basket case
Surely you can see that Pirate! Iām not sure youāll ever make your mind up on a manager!
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 12, 2024 9:05:43 GMT
I find the whole situation with Taylor odd. If it hadnāt been for the acquisition of Conteh youād have to say the footballing side of the club is in complete limbo. Although, with the other January business in and out Conteh does seem like an outlier rather than the rule. Now, results have been more than mixed but the muddled way the appointment came about doesnāt seemed to have helped either. Nor has the stripping of the scouting side of the club. I think looking at things with a reasoned stance rather than the slightly maddening bi-polar style many follow (Aguilera is the new Anderson & weāre making the Playoffs to relegation in 7 days), I think weāll be ok. My issue is next season. Does Taylor have the ability and the tools to produce? The first part is completely up for debate but I donāt think anyone can really say the last part is in place.
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Post by bluegas on Feb 12, 2024 9:14:42 GMT
[quote source="/post/993041The board shipped out our biggest goal contributor Alternatively - he wanted out, set his heart on it, was probably tapped up, and not even MT could change his mind. So the club (as a whole) accepted that and reluctantly took the money. Just saying. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2024 9:31:14 GMT
I genuinely canāt believe people are even contemplating changing manager! The guy has signed ONE of his own players! Heās been honest in his evaluation of the players Letās give him time to get the right calibre of player that we all know we need. Conteh was a good indication of where we should be headed. Put Taylor, Finley, Ward, McCormick and Martin back in that team and itās a different story Turf out the crocks and those not good enough and build around the undoubtedly good players we do have This process might take another year or so but at some point we need to stop being a basket case Surely you can see that Pirate! Iām not sure youāll ever make your mind up on a manager! UTG I said it was my last post above but this one is so to the point I have to praise it, and as you say, heās only signed one player of his own so far. I donāt know what has got into Wes, we usually agree on most things, some of the players look like that are not having Taylor, it doesnāt suprise me, itās happens, it did with Lines and Cogs. Itās clear we also have some terrible players as well, James Daly went non league for a period, I think 5 or 6 of ours will as well. As for the original poster, strange thread, doesnāt give his opinion at all, we all knew Taylor spoke on the radio, covered on official Twitter post and You Tube Channelā¦ā¦ā¦..whatās your opinion? |
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 12, 2024 9:36:12 GMT
The big querstion is- Does Taylor have the ability to build the squad for next season. There are n o obvious signs he has. You would expect your Manager to have knowledge of the players available and I would have expected Taylor to know in January who was available but the things he said when he arrived about lack of scouting indicated he didnt have a clue on that side.
JB had so many contacts and I am convinced the team only needed a bit of smart business in January. A striker like JCH would have been a big step forward. As it is we have taken a huge step backwards.
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Post by returnofthedust on Feb 12, 2024 9:38:02 GMT
Only teasing. š We do seem to have slightly mixed opinions about the future of the team by two posters with close association. Can they both be right? š§ As I say, Iām not sure what roady has heard. Mine is based in what weāve seen so far. The process to appoint Taylor was a mess and so was the January recruitment process. These new people have a lot to learn and Iām not convinced theyāre interested in learning. |
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Post by gingerandwhitegas on Feb 12, 2024 9:39:55 GMT
So was Taylor sold down the river in Jan , or was the signing of more kid loanees his decision? The truth we dont know , but it all brings speculation / anxiety whatever ,
because the owners are so elusive and short on communication. Its gonna bring paranoia. One thing I will say is if Taylor was sold a dummy , he has every right to bring it to the fore.
Some managers with a bit more clout may even resign over it.
Lets face it , its his reputation on the line . Although I dont like his lacklustre , the end is nigh approach in his interviews , Jan was a cock up ( Conteh the exception ) , we dont know
either way atm.
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Post by returnofthedust on Feb 12, 2024 9:44:14 GMT
So was Taylor sold down the river in Jan , or was the signing of more kid loanees his decision? The truth we dont know , but it all brings speculation / anxiety whatever ,
because the owners are so elusive and short on communication. Its gonna bring paranoia. One thing I will say is if Taylor was sold a dummy , he has every right to bring it to the fore.
Some managers with a bit more clout may even resign over it.
Lets face it , its his reputation on the line . Although I dont like his lacklustre , the end is nigh approach in his interviews , Jan was a cock up ( Conteh the exception ) , we dont know
either way atm.
The owner told us we wouldnāt be doing much business. The manager told us we were contacted about the two loans ON deadline day. His most wanted coach is working part time. I canāt for the life of me see why anyone would think a manager would want to work like this. The previous majority shareholders decision to go all in on a lunatic and all his mates coming home to roost now. We just have to hope that the new fellas son stops thinking he can head up a recruitment department and gets proper people in place. Iāll be pleasantly surprised if we do. |
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Post by RD on Feb 12, 2024 9:45:25 GMT
The big querstion is- Does Taylor have the ability to build the squad for next season. There are n o obvious signs he has. You would expect your Manager to have knowledge of the players available and I would have expected Taylor to know in January who was available but the things he said when he arrived about lack of scouting indicated he didnt have a clue on that side. JB had so many contacts and I am convinced the team only needed a bit of smart business in January. A striker like JCH would have been a big step forward. As it is we have taken a huge step backwards. Utter tripe |
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Post by returnofthedust on Feb 12, 2024 9:49:09 GMT
The big querstion is- Does Taylor have the ability to build the squad for next season. There are n o obvious signs he has. You would expect your Manager to have knowledge of the players available and I would have expected Taylor to know in January who was available but the things he said when he arrived about lack of scouting indicated he didnt have a clue on that side. JB had so many contacts and I am convinced the team only needed a bit of smart business in January. A striker like JCH would have been a big step forward. As it is we have taken a huge step backwards. Heās telling it how it is. The messiah left us in a complete mess, everything was built on sand. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2024 9:49:13 GMT
The big querstion is- Does Taylor have the ability to build the squad for next season. There are n o obvious signs he has. You would expect your Manager to have knowledge of the players available and I would have expected Taylor to know in January who was available but the things he said when he arrived about lack of scouting indicated he didnt have a clue on that side. JB had so many contacts and I am convinced the team only needed a bit of smart business in January. A striker like JCH would have been a big step forward. As it is we have taken a huge step backwards. Itās a bit like an F1 team bottom of the constructors championship just needed a new more powerful engine and they would be fine šš He never got his striker. Steve sees no obvious signs, what about the results at Exeter on a fan owned budget spanking us 4-0? He can sign players. Would Barton have got Wilson, Hunt, and Friend for from January? He would have still had to play Grant and Gordon Saturday, heād have had Cox in goal as well, strikers donāt keep clean sheets! |
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Post by supergas on Feb 12, 2024 9:54:51 GMT
The big querstion is- Does Taylor have the ability to build the squad for next season. There are n o obvious signs he has. You would expect your Manager to have knowledge of the players available and I would have expected Taylor to know in January who was available but the things he said when he arrived about lack of scouting indicated he didnt have a clue on that side. JB had so many contacts and I am convinced the team only needed a bit of smart business in January. A striker like JCH would have been a big step forward. As it is we have taken a huge step backwards. I wonder how many people in the game are taking JB's phone calls now...? |
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