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Post by chewbacca on Mar 14, 2024 15:35:07 GMT
Nah, I use it because the bloke is totally useless normally. I'm surprised, he speaks very highly of you. Oh no that's right he's never met you so you've never had the opportunity to see how he reacts when you say it to his faceš¤£ Oh mate. |
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Post by Rod1883 on Mar 14, 2024 15:48:49 GMT
Surprised Forest are also on the list as they are likely to be an EFL club in the next couple of seasons. I believe that it could be because the agreement would reduce, possibly even remove, parachute payments |
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 14, 2024 17:00:20 GMT
Itās been said before when this same argument (PL greed v EFL need) comes up but I think it was all set in motion in 1992 when the PL began. It was created out of greed. Once foreign owners came in and got involved in the PL they only see the balance sheet and what they can get out if it. There will be no consideration of ālooking afterā our lower league teams. Itās why the idea of a super league was floated. Pretty sure well over 15 clubs in the PL are foreign owed, it may be more.
Foreign owners have little idea of what went before in the PL. Iām sure AFCB have taken their position because Foley, their American owner, has no memory about the position the club were in years ago when they had to go and get the begging bowls out, literally. He has no idea about what went before they got to the promised land. When one of the architects of Bournemouthās rise died recently, Eddie Mitchell he warranted two sentences on the club website and no mention on a matchday as far as Iām aware. Very poor imo. No Eddie Mitchell, no AFCB in the PL. but itās all been forgotten and that will be the case with most PL clubs. Itās a business opportunity to make money not a stewardship of a club being part of a bigger family. Why worry about something thatās not important to them?
And if we are relying on this government to put something in place like a Football Tsar, as has been mentioned, then we are desperate and very likely to be disappointed. That will not happen before the next election, itās already resting in the long grass. Greed will win as it always does and the lower league clubs will accept some small crumbs of comfort. But it will be what the PL clubs are prepared to give not what is needed.
And just for clarity Iām not against foreign owners because they are foreign. Iām against them when they donāt understand what theyāve bought into and see it as a means to make money. WAQ has been a very understanding and aware owner of us. He āgotā us I think and whilst I think he made some poor errors his commitment to us and what he did in lockdown will always deserve respect and gratitude.
UTG!
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Post by bluetooth0077 on Mar 14, 2024 18:06:18 GMT
Some very interesting and intelligent posts as I'm a 2 team w**Ker the gas and liverpool. Disappointed in the reds hmmmmmmm
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Post by gasheadontour on Mar 14, 2024 22:20:51 GMT
Itās been said before when this same argument (PL greed v EFL need) comes up but I think it was all set in motion in 1992 when the PL began. It was created out of greed. Once foreign owners came in and got involved in the PL they only see the balance sheet and what they can get out if it. There will be no consideration of ālooking afterā our lower league teams. Itās why the idea of a super league was floated. Pretty sure well over 15 clubs in the PL are foreign owed, it may be more. Foreign owners have little idea of what went before in the PL. Iām sure AFCB have taken their position because Foley, their American owner, has no memory about the position the club were in years ago when they had to go and get the begging bowls out, literally. He has no idea about what went before they got to the promised land. When one of the architects of Bournemouthās rise died recently, Eddie Mitchell he warranted two sentences on the club website and no mention on a matchday as far as Iām aware. Very poor imo. No Eddie Mitchell, no AFCB in the PL. but itās all been forgotten and that will be the case with most PL clubs. Itās a business opportunity to make money not a stewardship of a club being part of a bigger family. Why worry about something thatās not important to them? And if we are relying on this government to put something in place like a Football Tsar, as has been mentioned, then we are desperate and very likely to be disappointed. That will not happen before the next election, itās already resting in the long grass. Greed will win as it always does and the lower league clubs will accept some small crumbs of comfort. But it will be what the PL clubs are prepared to give not what is needed. And just for clarity Iām not against foreign owners because they are foreign. Iām against them when they donāt understand what theyāve bought into and see it as a means to make money. WAQ has been a very understanding and aware owner of us. He āgotā us I think and whilst I think he made some poor errors his commitment to us and what he did in lockdown will always deserve respect and gratitude. UTG! Bounemouth know the history but ultimately it's a business. |
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Post by toggsy2 on Mar 15, 2024 13:12:34 GMT
One change that would be welcomed by many and that's to ban the under 21s from EFL Trophy tournament and go back to the original format of just 3rd and 4th tier clubs.
I don't think many would object to inclusion of the National league into the tournament instead of the inclusion of Under 21s from the likes of Chelsea and West Ham a lot of big former league clubs currently in the National league
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Post by chewbacca on Mar 15, 2024 13:13:45 GMT
One change that would be welcomed by many and that's to ban the under 21s from EFL Trophy tournament and go back to the original format of just 3rd and 4th tier clubs. I don't think many would object to inclusion of the National league into the tournament instead of the inclusion of Under 21s from the likes of Chelsea and West Ham a lot of big former league clubs currently in the National league Conference Clubs have the FA Trophy, I'd be open to letting in Scottish clubs. |
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Post by toggsy2 on Mar 15, 2024 13:15:37 GMT
One change that would be welcomed by many and that's to ban the under 21s from EFL Trophy tournament and go back to the original format of just 3rd and 4th tier clubs. I don't think many would object to inclusion of the National league into the tournament instead of the inclusion of Under 21s from the likes of Chelsea and West Ham a lot of big former league clubs currently in the National league Conference Clubs have the FA Trophy, I'd be open to letting in Scottish clubs. Again another good idea and point taken with the Fa Trophy for the National League sides |
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Post by toggsy2 on Mar 15, 2024 13:18:00 GMT
One change that would be welcomed by many and that's to ban the under 21s from EFL Trophy tournament and go back to the original format of just 3rd and 4th tier clubs. I don't think many would object to inclusion of the National league into the tournament instead of the inclusion of Under 21s from the likes of Chelsea and West Ham a lot of big former league clubs currently in the National league Conference Clubs have the FA Trophy, I'd be open to letting in Scottish clubs. Would you exclude the Scottish premier and just limit it to Scottish Championship and below ? |
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Post by chewbacca on Mar 15, 2024 13:25:54 GMT
Conference Clubs have the FA Trophy, I'd be open to letting in Scottish clubs. Would you exclude the Scottish premier and just limit it to Scottish Championship and below ? Join with the Scottish Challenge Cup so yep, Scottish Championship and bellow. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 15, 2024 15:58:45 GMT
One change that would be welcomed by many and that's to ban the under 21s from EFL Trophy tournament and go back to the original format of just 3rd and 4th tier clubs. I don't think many would object to inclusion of the National league into the tournament instead of the inclusion of Under 21s from the likes of Chelsea and West Ham a lot of big former league clubs currently in the National league Premiership clubs pay decent money so they can take part, we can hardly complain they won't pay up then banning them when they do pay us money? The EFL Trophy has always been poorly supported whatever format has been used |
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Post by eric on Mar 15, 2024 16:17:31 GMT
One change that would be welcomed by many and that's to ban the under 21s from EFL Trophy tournament and go back to the original format of just 3rd and 4th tier clubs. I don't think many would object to inclusion of the National league into the tournament instead of the inclusion of Under 21s from the likes of Chelsea and West Ham a lot of big former league clubs currently in the National league Conference Clubs have the FA Trophy, I'd be open to letting in Scottish clubs. Why do the Scots any favours. Iād go the opposite direction and kick the Welsh teams out of the EFL - theyāve got their own league. Fun to see what Burt Reynolds and his mate at Wrexham would make of that š. |
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Post by chewbacca on Mar 15, 2024 18:07:53 GMT
Conference Clubs have the FA Trophy, I'd be open to letting in Scottish clubs. Why do the Scots any favours. Iād go the opposite direction and kick the Welsh teams out of the EFL - theyāve got their own league. Fun to see what Burt Reynolds and his mate at Wrexham would make of that š.Ā Is it doing favours or is it opening up new and interesting places for Gasheads to go get watered? |
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 15, 2024 20:53:30 GMT
Itās been said before when this same argument (PL greed v EFL need) comes up but I think it was all set in motion in 1992 when the PL began. It was created out of greed. Once foreign owners came in and got involved in the PL they only see the balance sheet and what they can get out if it. There will be no consideration of ālooking afterā our lower league teams. Itās why the idea of a super league was floated. Pretty sure well over 15 clubs in the PL are foreign owed, it may be more. Foreign owners have little idea of what went before in the PL. Iām sure AFCB have taken their position because Foley, their American owner, has no memory about the position the club were in years ago when they had to go and get the begging bowls out, literally. He has no idea about what went before they got to the promised land. When one of the architects of Bournemouthās rise died recently, Eddie Mitchell he warranted two sentences on the club website and no mention on a matchday as far as Iām aware. Very poor imo. No Eddie Mitchell, no AFCB in the PL. but itās all been forgotten and that will be the case with most PL clubs. Itās a business opportunity to make money not a stewardship of a club being part of a bigger family. Why worry about something thatās not important to them? And if we are relying on this government to put something in place like a Football Tsar, as has been mentioned, then we are desperate and very likely to be disappointed. That will not happen before the next election, itās already resting in the long grass. Greed will win as it always does and the lower league clubs will accept some small crumbs of comfort. But it will be what the PL clubs are prepared to give not what is needed. And just for clarity Iām not against foreign owners because they are foreign. Iām against them when they donāt understand what theyāve bought into and see it as a means to make money. WAQ has been a very understanding and aware owner of us. He āgotā us I think and whilst I think he made some poor errors his commitment to us and what he did in lockdown will always deserve respect and gratitude. UTG! Bounemouth know the history but ultimately it's a business. Their fans do but not sure the owners do. But you are right, itās a business. UTG! |
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 15, 2024 20:56:09 GMT
And of course going back 15 years or so Conference clubs were in the 3rd/4th Division Cup whatever it was then called. I remember watching Gravesend and Northfleet in it. ( they are now Ebbsfleet)
UTG!
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Post by Gasshole on Mar 15, 2024 21:19:53 GMT
TBH if all the EFL clubs get a bigger chunk of money, invariably players wages will end up rising and there will be little net gain.
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Post by aforce on Mar 16, 2024 11:05:51 GMT
Plymouth would be back to league two without loans
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