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Post by chewbacca on Mar 22, 2024 13:14:32 GMT
Baffled at the far from subtle agenda quite a few seem to have against TG.. Having met him a couple of times I found him a pleasant, if a little corporate for my tastes, chap who was very clearly an ambitious guy. I distinctly recall thinking when I first met him that he was exactly what we needed at the time. We had not long come out of the dark days of Nick Higgs's rein and under Wael were starting to look like we might at least have a go at being a professionally run football club! We will never really know who has had in what over the last ten years or so, but he must surely be given some of the credit for the changes at the Mem. We now have a very respectable club shop, corporate area under the East stand, main bar behind the blackthorn and indeed a brand new south stand. All of these changes not only increase revenue, but they also help in taking us out of the dark ages! Before TG and Wael, the Mem resembled an aging folk center in all of the hospitality areas, it now looks like a proper football club! Talk of this being the worst period for the club since the Bath days is frankly embarrassing. You had may as well just say you do not like the guy personally and have done if that is the sort of nonsense you are going to spout. It was not too long ago that we trained on an army base an hour away every single day! We now have a very respectable training base of our own 15 mins from the Mem. As above, we now have hospitality areas that do not feel as though you have stepped in to the 1970's! We have a stadium that whilst 75% pig ugly, does at least now look at least close to a proper football stadium rather than the cricket come rugby come tennis arena. As well as these larger changes, there are plenty of smaller tweaks that have helped modernize us. No doubt that TG's tenure has also been marked with mistakes, perhaps none more glaring then the South Stand fiasco.. But ultimately, we do not have a decent South Stand where before we had a tent. The first bit of proper stadium improvement we have had as a club for what, 50 years?? That alone is progress. As I say, there is no doubt that there have been mistakes and clearly some people have been rubbed up the wrong way along the way.. But I am not sure I really understand the quite aggressive disdain on here and social media in general. As as I say, feels personal. Everything that's wrong with the club here, stop comparing us to the sh**e before, compare it to other clubs. You've just listed a load of things that are still worse than 90% of clubs in the Football League. |
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Mar 22, 2024 13:19:17 GMT
Well these things take time, clearly.
Seems a little unfair to charge him with not modernizing us enough given the relatively short amount of time he has been CEO.
If you start a race in last place and manage to get yourself up several places in the first few laps, that is quite good going isn't it?
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Post by chewbacca on Mar 22, 2024 13:22:17 GMT
Well these things take time, clearly. Seems a little unfair to charge him with not modernizing us enough given the relatively short amount of time he has been CEO. Wally owned us for 7 years, Gorringe was Commercial Director from 2017-2021 and then CEO 2021-Present. He's not exactly in his probation period. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 22, 2024 13:38:25 GMT
I think it's quite disrespectful to speculate about whether someone has lost their job or not, no matter what you might think of them. Kind regards John Malyckyj It's no more or less disrespectful than some employees that have lost their job by his hand, and subsequently litigated against the club because of him. Absolutely and it did not taka a high IQ to see this would come. I take no pleasure in it but I go know life has a way of balancing things out. Personally I always wondered why he would have left Brighton |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 22, 2024 14:04:17 GMT
I’m not sure you can credit Gorringe with the training ground and new south stand.
If we’re going to credit anyone it’s Wael for getting his checkbook out. Even the implementation of the training ground was started under Starnes.
All the improvements to the club shop and bars etc are fair game.
But I’m not sure the club catering, ticketing, general admission is any better than it was before TG took complete charge. No agenda, just how I see it.
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Post by simon1883 on Mar 22, 2024 14:14:27 GMT
I’m not sure you can credit Gorringe with the training ground and new south stand. If we’re going to credit anyone it’s Wael for getting his checkbook out. Even the implementation of the training ground was started under Starnes. All the improvements to the club shop and bars etc are fair game. But I’m not sure the club catering, ticketing, general admission is any better than it was before TG took complete charge. No agenda, just how I see it. I think that's a perfectly reasonable position. TG hit all the low hanging fruit that yielded good visible results. the harder stuff that needs day to day management has not been improved massively at all. |
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Post by joefrankie on Mar 22, 2024 14:25:58 GMT
Well these things take time, clearly. Seems a little unfair to charge him with not modernizing us enough given the relatively short amount of time he has been CEO. If you start a race in last place and manage to get yourself up several places in the first few laps, that is quite good going isn't it? And he's exactly that; the CEO. He's not the money man. |
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Post by gasify on Mar 22, 2024 15:21:31 GMT
Just being ignored or TG hasn't had the financial backing to improve them? I doubt it's his decision that all the TV's at the ground are operated by one remote in the bar? Nor that zero money seems to have been spent on the toilets recently? We know (and you know as you were there) that is not the case. Remember when Abdullatif said "I have spent £150k on toilet blocks. Where are those Tom?" |
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Post by eric on Mar 22, 2024 15:26:45 GMT
My god. Everyone on here acting like TG is the only person at the football club. Just using the South Stand argument, I very much doubt he told WAQ and AAS that we are building the stand, it was likely the other way around. To me the "putting extension on the east stand" plan tells you a lot, the new owners are all about do things fast and cheap - that is what you all got with the South stand. Unfortunately the South Stand took longer to build and without permission to build in first place. More questions for the owners than TG. Again, a lot of you seem happy with bodge jobs, so expect the same of the East stand unless the club has learnt its lesson. Have you seen any plans to reach a conclusion that the East Stand is going to be a “bodge job”. I don’t see how any fan can have already decided whether they are happy with the owners plans since we don’t have any detail on what they are at the moment. |
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Post by eric on Mar 22, 2024 15:29:30 GMT
It's no more or less disrespectful than some employees that have lost their job by his hand, and subsequently litigated against the club because of him. Absolutely and it did not taka a high IQ to see this would come. I take no pleasure in it but I go know life has a way of balancing things out. Personally I always wondered why he would have left Brighton Are you able to give us some clues about where we can find full details of these numerous litigations that have been made against the club by former employees.? 02 doesn’t want to tell anyone. |
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Post by chewbacca on Mar 22, 2024 15:49:14 GMT
The argument around the East Stand being a bodge and not is one of my favourite narratives on the forum at the moment. Two groups beefing over something they don't have a clue about. Class.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 22, 2024 17:26:34 GMT
Absolutely and it did not taka a high IQ to see this would come. I take no pleasure in it but I go know life has a way of balancing things out. Personally I always wondered why he would have left Brighton Are you able to give us some clues about where we can find full details of these numerous litigations that have been made against the club by former employees.? 02 doesn’t want to tell anyone. Seriously? Does it matter specifically whom? If you know anyone in and around the club post his appointment that had been established, you would know who. Even the most little of research would delve into that and anyone can do that for themselves.... you'll get there eventually. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 22, 2024 17:40:31 GMT
Are you able to give us some clues about where we can find full details of these numerous litigations that have been made against the club by former employees.? 02 doesn’t want to tell anyone. Seriously? Does it matter specifically whom? If you know anyone in and around the club post his appointment that had been established, you would know who. Even the most little of research would delve into that and anyone can do that for themselves.... you'll get there eventually. Sorry but 'research' doesn't help those of us with little to no direct involvement. Sounds more like 'who you know, not what you know.' Without something tangible all this is, is hearsay and innuendo. Help us understand, but you'll need to be more open. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Mar 22, 2024 17:49:05 GMT
Seriously? Does it matter specifically whom? If you know anyone in and around the club post his appointment that had been established, you would know who. Even the most little of research would delve into that and anyone can do that for themselves.... you'll get there eventually. Sorry but 'research' doesn't help those of us with little to no direct involvement. Sounds more like 'who you know, not what you know.' Without something tangible all this is, is hearsay and innuendo. Help us understand, but you'll need to be more open. I've asked a couple of times, and received the same response as above. I've also tried researching, and the only person I can find who brought a case against Rovers was Ian Atkins, which was connected with commission. |
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Post by eric on Mar 22, 2024 17:50:32 GMT
Are you able to give us some clues about where we can find full details of these numerous litigations that have been made against the club by former employees.? 02 doesn’t want to tell anyone. Seriously? Does it matter specifically whom? If you know anyone in and around the club post his appointment that had been established, you would know who. Even the most little of research would delve into that and anyone can do that for themselves.... you'll get there eventually. I don’t really care who these people are. Simply point us towards some publicly available information where it says Bristol Rovers versus Person X for example. Until then it just looks made up or exaggerated from those with an agenda. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 22, 2024 18:49:20 GMT
Seriously? Does it matter specifically whom? If you know anyone in and around the club post his appointment that had been established, you would know who. Even the most little of research would delve into that and anyone can do that for themselves.... you'll get there eventually. I don’t really care who these people are.. And that's the reason why you don't know. |
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Post by eric on Mar 22, 2024 19:03:43 GMT
I don’t really care who these people are.. And that's the reason why you don't know. So when we are told to do our research there is nothing we can actually research - only ITKers will know? A quick internet search shows Bristol Sport versus one of their employees is officially documented and publicly available. I couldn’t see anything for Bristol Rovers, perhaps those smarter than me can find something? In the meantime I’ll take with a pinch of salt these allegations that TG has caused Rovers into a litigation that has cost the clubs thousands. |
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Post by vaughan on Mar 22, 2024 19:26:10 GMT
Wasn’t it reported that at the fans evening Abdullatif mentioned new toilets were on the way and that he asked TG where they were? So where are they? As said, buck stops with him. Sounds like there might be a block in place. Get it? Like toilet block? Haha, very funny... Seriously though send Tom Gorringe to a prison block! Please be careful. You have made repeated comments that Tom Gorringe deserves to be in prison and you hope he ends up there. Firstly it is entirely disrespectful on a human level. Also it amounts imho to a clear case of defamation via published material on social media, which in current landscape (see Vine versus Joey Barton, based on Katie Hopkins case law precedent) is a slippery slope. The Mods should have intervened ages ago on your specific comments. It's like the Wild West, as you and others have lost any sense of decorum when talking about a Club employee. He does not deserve that slur, whatever you think about his abilities or record. One other thing. TG has always made himself available, so please contact him to explain your anger. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 22, 2024 20:16:32 GMT
I’m not sure you can credit Gorringe with the training ground and new south stand. If we’re going to credit anyone it’s Wael for getting his checkbook out. Even the implementation of the training ground was started under Starnes. All the improvements to the club shop and bars etc are fair game. But I’m not sure the club catering, ticketing, general admission is any better than it was before TG took complete charge. No agenda, just how I see it. The catering and ticketing is worse. He should have lost his job the minute he even suggested Ticket Master. |
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Mar 22, 2024 20:36:38 GMT
Very interesting about award ceremonies. He's engineered a few of these such awards in the past and it was difficult to see why. This season with the fiasco of the South Stand it must be amongst the worse as fans we have suffered since the Bath days. He's obviously trying to cling on to his job and bag a second chance. Worse than relegation to the Conference? |
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