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Post by joefrankie on Apr 8, 2024 12:11:48 GMT
Well he didn’t have that many games in charge this season before he was sacked but yes he obviously built the squad in the summer. Staying up was always going to be a big ask though as I’d imagine they’ve got one of the smallest budgets in the championship and they were the lowest ranked club at the beginning of the season in terms of odds for promotion / favourites to go down. So D.c took us down. Joey took us down. Wasn’t Matty’s fault Rotherham going down despite record summer signing. You trust Matty to work on an even smaller budget, harder to attract players to Rovers than Rotherham. What ever fits your agenda. Whatever fits your agenda, indeed; The Championship is VERY different to League one. |
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Post by stevek192 on Apr 8, 2024 12:23:44 GMT
No I dont know best but probably as much as a lot of others. When i say couldnt manage in League 1 or above i mean that although he took us to League 1 and took us to 10th,he did that with the majority of players that he acquired in the non league season. He did not have sufficient knowledge to get players of League 1 standard or better and this showed itself the season after finishing 10th when we were terrible and he should and probably would have been sacked earlier but for his previous achievement with us. I do agree however that although he was in charge when we went down it was John Ward who was clearly to blame for that event.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 8, 2024 12:44:06 GMT
I have no agenda. DC took us down as did Barton but they were both given a chance to bring us back up. Taylor has us in mid table and many seem to want him gone. That was my point. Patience is key but most fans and owners have none these days unfortunately. Wael clearly decided to stand by JB when even DM at Peterborough was saying he would have dismissed him. Plus JB inherited a shocking squad thanks to BG then lost Nicholson to injury, I'm not sure this is a poor squad just poorly managed. Topper, that’s rubbish. We beat Morecambe in his first match, last weekend on March I think. We’d been poor all season following a familiar ‘let’s recruit but stop at recruiting any good strikers’ transfer policy. The two full backs getting injured and a combination of other crap things meant we went down. DC took his share of the blame and started to do something about it. But, we were never ‘virtually relegated…’ That’s possibly re-writing history as supergas said or just rubbish. JB didn’t have a good squad perhaps but it was unforgivable the way he gave up, stood with his arms crossed and blamed the players. MT fortunately hasn’t given up, though some of the players may have. Has to be given time to recruit and get the team playing his way. Of course it may not work out, there are never any guarantees in football but we’ve got to stop thinking the answer to everything is ‘sacking the manager’. Not only is it financial stupidity it really will make us even more unpopular than we’ve been since appointing JB, no other serious manager would even consider us. UTG! |
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 8, 2024 12:56:28 GMT
No I dont know best but probably as much as a lot of others. When i say couldnt manage in League 1 or above i mean that although he took us to League 1 and took us to 10th,he did that with the majority of players that he acquired in the non league season. He did not have sufficient knowledge to get players of League 1 standard or better and this showed itself the season after finishing 10th when we were terrible and he should and probably would have been sacked earlier but for his previous achievement with us. I do agree however that although he was in charge when we went down it was John Ward who was clearly to blame for that event. Steve I respect your opinion and view regards DC but to say he couldn’t manage in League 1 as you originally said and then qualify it by saying that we did well in League 1 only because he had had good players that he recruited in non-league is way off. DC did manage well in League 1, it was only when he had to replace those players and like every other manager we’ve had, he found it hard to do so for whatever reason. On that argument AFCBournemouth should have ditched Eddie Howe in ‘14 because after their first season in the Championship they had some hammerings with a team similar to the promotion team. But they didn’t, he was trusted, built a great team and got to the promised land. Difference was they had an owner prepared to spend and support the manager. I can remember watching AFCB in the PL in those first 2 seasons with 7/8/9 players playing who’d been in League 1. EH made mediocre players much, much better, just as DC did imo.But it could have been so very different if they’d used your argument. UTG! |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 8, 2024 13:00:04 GMT
We were virtually relegated when DC was appointed, Wael clearly decided to stand by JB when even DM at Peterborough was saying he would have dismissed him. Plus JB inherited a shocking squad thanks to BG then lost Nicholson to injury, I'm not sure this is a poor squad just poorly managed. Topper, that’s rubbish. We beat Morecambe in his first match, last weekend on March I think. We’d been poor all season following a familiar ‘let’s recruit but stop at recruiting any good strikers’ transfer policy. The two full backs getting injured and a combination of other crap things meant we went down. DC took his share of the blame and started to do something about it. But, we were never ‘virtually relegated…’ That’s possibly re-writing history as supergas said or just rubbish. JB didn’t have a good squad perhaps but it was unforgivable the way he gave up, stood with his arms crossed and blamed the players. MT fortunately hasn’t given up, though some of the players may have. Has to be given time to recruit and get the team playing his way. Of course it may not work out, there are never any guarantees in football but we’ve got to stop thinking the answer to everything is ‘sacking the manager’. Not only is it financial stupidity it really will make us even more unpopular than we’ve been since appointing JB, no other serious manager would even consider us. UTG! Why do we have to stop thinking that sacking the manager is the answer when most other league clubs don't seem to worry? What's the better option, dismiss MT now and pay him a year's salary, £150K(?), or hand him thr entire wage budget of £5m(?) and just hope he gets it's right? I'd say the latter is financial stupidity! I doubt any out of work manager would worry too much about how our last manager departed if we offered them a decent contract. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 8, 2024 13:19:07 GMT
Topper, that’s rubbish. We beat Morecambe in his first match, last weekend on March I think. We’d been poor all season following a familiar ‘let’s recruit but stop at recruiting any good strikers’ transfer policy. The two full backs getting injured and a combination of other crap things meant we went down. DC took his share of the blame and started to do something about it. But, we were never ‘virtually relegated…’ That’s possibly re-writing history as supergas said or just rubbish. JB didn’t have a good squad perhaps but it was unforgivable the way he gave up, stood with his arms crossed and blamed the players. MT fortunately hasn’t given up, though some of the players may have. Has to be given time to recruit and get the team playing his way. Of course it may not work out, there are never any guarantees in football but we’ve got to stop thinking the answer to everything is ‘sacking the manager’. Not only is it financial stupidity it really will make us even more unpopular than we’ve been since appointing JB, no other serious manager would even consider us. UTG! Why do we have to stop thinking that sacking the manager is the answer when most other league clubs don't seem to worry? What's the better option, dismiss MT now and pay him a year's salary, £150K(?), or hand him thr entire wage budget of £5m(?) and just hope he gets it's right? I'd say the latter is financial stupidity! I doubt any out of work manager would worry too much about how our last manager departed if we offered them a decent contract. He definitely needs a target by the board. Everyone in any job needs targets whether your new or experienced otherwise on what basis can you measure progress ?. The board are in a truly awkward situation . They know his record is worst than the previous manager . They know attendances are dropping. They know ST sales are probably down in comparison to the previous manager. Even if they keep him subconsciously they aren't going to give him a big budget based on his results. Sacking him will show a major flaw in the decision making from top to bottom. I suppose they wish the season would end now. The compromise would be to give him a small budget with promises of increases in January if targets are meet. I mean would anyone give him a 4-5 mil budget with a home record of 2 1 7 ? . |
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 8, 2024 16:07:53 GMT
Topper, that’s rubbish. We beat Morecambe in his first match, last weekend on March I think. We’d been poor all season following a familiar ‘let’s recruit but stop at recruiting any good strikers’ transfer policy. The two full backs getting injured and a combination of other crap things meant we went down. DC took his share of the blame and started to do something about it. But, we were never ‘virtually relegated…’ That’s possibly re-writing history as supergas said or just rubbish. JB didn’t have a good squad perhaps but it was unforgivable the way he gave up, stood with his arms crossed and blamed the players. MT fortunately hasn’t given up, though some of the players may have. Has to be given time to recruit and get the team playing his way. Of course it may not work out, there are never any guarantees in football but we’ve got to stop thinking the answer to everything is ‘sacking the manager’. Not only is it financial stupidity it really will make us even more unpopular than we’ve been since appointing JB, no other serious manager would even consider us. UTG! Why do we have to stop thinking that sacking the manager is the answer when most other league clubs don't seem to worry? What's the better option, dismiss MT now and pay him a year's salary, £150K(?), or hand him thr entire wage budget of £5m(?) and just hope he gets it's right? I'd say the latter is financial stupidity! I doubt any out of work manager would worry too much about how our last manager departed if we offered them a decent contract. Seriously, who cares what other clubs don’t worry about it. Obviously no idea about details in contracts but MT has been allowed to build his backroom staff and anyone coming in will want their own staff so when a manager leaves it’s not just the manager who has to be paid off is it? So it will cost another large pay-off if the MT team are sacked which will be happening as we still pay JB ltd. If you think that doesn’t matter when money is said to be tight then you must have invented a new economic system …..Topperenomics??? You may be right about managers not worrying about what happened before but that’s why I put ‘serious managers’. I think some managers who look to improve would be put off by what happened before. It can be a career and I do think serious managers will consider the owners they will be working for. It’s ok if you don’t agree. UTG! |
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Post by gasify on Apr 8, 2024 22:40:13 GMT
No I dont know best but probably as much as a lot of others. When i say couldnt manage in League 1 or above i mean that although he took us to League 1 and took us to 10th,he did that with the majority of players that he acquired in the non league season. He did not have sufficient knowledge to get players of League 1 standard or better and this showed itself the season after finishing 10th when we were terrible and he should and probably would have been sacked earlier but for his previous achievement with us. I do agree however that although he was in charge when we went down it was John Ward who was clearly to blame for that event. Just so I understand, DC is not a league one quality manager as he had to rely on players signed when nonleague to get a 10th place finish. JB is a good manager as he bought league one players when in league 2 even though he couldn't get them close to a 10th place league one finish? |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Apr 8, 2024 23:04:30 GMT
Can't blame the gaffer, part of the reason any manager gets sent on gardening leave is the players, it's them the cross the white line, so one manager loses his job and another comes in and works with the same players. If it's still crap, who or what is the common denominator? I'll take a couple of windows to sort this mess out.Let's hope the recruitment and scouting are getting stuck into their jobs. Yes I believe every manager should (at least) have a summer to do their own pre-season and shape the large majority of the squad. MT has done/said a few odd things while here but if we did sack him before next season id always wonder what his own team could have been like. Its not like we are in a rush we have been bouncing around the lower leagues since i was a lad |
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Post by daniel300380 on Apr 8, 2024 23:30:09 GMT
Topper, that’s rubbish. We beat Morecambe in his first match, last weekend on March I think. We’d been poor all season following a familiar ‘let’s recruit but stop at recruiting any good strikers’ transfer policy. The two full backs getting injured and a combination of other crap things meant we went down. DC took his share of the blame and started to do something about it. But, we were never ‘virtually relegated…’ That’s possibly re-writing history as supergas said or just rubbish. JB didn’t have a good squad perhaps but it was unforgivable the way he gave up, stood with his arms crossed and blamed the players. MT fortunately hasn’t given up, though some of the players may have. Has to be given time to recruit and get the team playing his way. Of course it may not work out, there are never any guarantees in football but we’ve got to stop thinking the answer to everything is ‘sacking the manager’. Not only is it financial stupidity it really will make us even more unpopular than we’ve been since appointing JB, no other serious manager would even consider us. UTG! Why do we have to stop thinking that sacking the manager is the answer when most other league clubs don't seem to worry? What's the better option, dismiss MT now and pay him a year's salary, £150K(?), or hand him thr entire wage budget of £5m(?) and just hope he gets it's right? I'd say the latter is financial stupidity! I doubt any out of work manager would worry too much about how our last manager departed if we offered them a decent contract. He's made one signing so far as he's been one of the best players. So how do we know he will waste the money? He didn't put the squad together and it's been struggling. I've asked many of our fans, who they would have played in the games were didn't score to take players on, or get in behind and they all ignore the question. So who would you have played?? Players like Evans are technically good, but they need players making runs to play the ball to. Thomas was more of an attacking threat on Saturday, at least we have him back. Brandon travels a bit with the ball as well, so it was good that he was back. But without them, who would you have played?? |
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Post by gasify on Apr 9, 2024 5:23:55 GMT
Why do we have to stop thinking that sacking the manager is the answer when most other league clubs don't seem to worry? What's the better option, dismiss MT now and pay him a year's salary, £150K(?), or hand him thr entire wage budget of £5m(?) and just hope he gets it's right? I'd say the latter is financial stupidity! I doubt any out of work manager would worry too much about how our last manager departed if we offered them a decent contract. He's made one signing so far as he's been one of the best players. So how do we know he will waste the money? He didn't put the squad together and it's been struggling. I've asked many of our fans, who they would have played in the games were didn't score to take players on, or get in behind and they all ignore the question. So who would you have played?? Players like Evans are technically good, but they need players making runs to play the ball to. Thomas was more of an attacking threat on Saturday, at least we have him back. Brandon travels a bit with the ball as well, so it was good that he was back. But without them, who would you have played?? I think CM looks knackered at the moment. We are all but mathematically safe. If it was me, I would be recalling Harvey Greenslade and giving him the rest of the season. You will never know if he doesn't get played. Not too dissimilar to Azzas goal on Saturday. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Apr 9, 2024 7:53:03 GMT
He's made one signing so far as he's been one of the best players. So how do we know he will waste the money? He didn't put the squad together and it's been struggling. I've asked many of our fans, who they would have played in the games were didn't score to take players on, or get in behind and they all ignore the question. So who would you have played?? Players like Evans are technically good, but they need players making runs to play the ball to. Thomas was more of an attacking threat on Saturday, at least we have him back. Brandon travels a bit with the ball as well, so it was good that he was back. But without them, who would you have played?? I think CM looks knackered at the moment. We are all but mathematically safe. If it was me, I would be recalling Harvey Greenslade and giving him the rest of the season. You will never know if he doesn't get played. Not too dissimilar to Azzas goal on Saturday. Are we allowed to recall and play him at this stage of the season?? |
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Post by stapletongas on Apr 9, 2024 7:54:35 GMT
When a manager walks into someone else's mess, it is still a mess, there's no magic wand, no rabbits being pulled from hats. How many clubs play the sack race merry go round to try to survive and still get relegated? Managers need time and even then they need to right opportunities to sign available players who are a good fit for your plans, sometimes you get them, sometimes they go elsewhere, sometimes they are simply not there in the window. Often it's a lottery even for the best managerial prospects because your squad building efforts are only as good as what becomes available. Even then you factor in injuries and the whole situation because even more unpredictable. Yet many call for the manager's head. If you have a good one be patient www.planetfootball.com/nostalgia/how-alex-ferguson-saved-himself-from-the-brink-of-the-sack-at-man-utd |
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Post by gasify on Apr 9, 2024 8:07:02 GMT
I think CM looks knackered at the moment. We are all but mathematically safe. If it was me, I would be recalling Harvey Greenslade and giving him the rest of the season. You will never know if he doesn't get played. Not too dissimilar to Azzas goal on Saturday. Are we allowed to recall and play him at this stage of the season?? I don't know the ins and outs of the loan deal. I was just answering the question of what I would do. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 9, 2024 8:19:33 GMT
I think CM looks knackered at the moment. We are all but mathematically safe. If it was me, I would be recalling Harvey Greenslade and giving him the rest of the season. You will never know if he doesn't get played. Not too dissimilar to Azzas goal on Saturday. Are we allowed to recall and play him at this stage of the season?? That's appaling defending. |
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Post by gasify on Apr 9, 2024 8:31:36 GMT
Are we allowed to recall and play him at this stage of the season?? That's appaling defending. Good finish though? |
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Post by gassedOut on Apr 9, 2024 9:15:24 GMT
Are we allowed to recall and play him at this stage of the season?? I don't know the ins and outs of the loan deal. I was just answering the question of what I would do. Yes he can can be recalled at anytime, at the end of the day he is a Signed Rovers player so as long as Oxford are okay with it is not a problem and Seeing they have been relegated then i cant see it being one. I heard that Oxford City's Goalkeeper is on loan from Wigan, he is not being recalled but apparently playing the last game of the season as National league finishes a week earlier! Wigan's last game happens to be Us at Wigan! The thing is with Greenslade is he is quick, and would play well of Martin and is also very creative so would cause different problems. It would be worth a look as we never know what we have got until to give him a chance at this level. The reason in Putting Greenslade in that Oxford team was to see if he could cope Physically. The Defender from the Clip is on loan to Barnet from Leyton Orient and has played over 150 league games. The Goalkeeper is Tottenham's under 21 Goal keeper so he can mix it against good players. I think if Taylor has an idea that a couple of players wont be there next season then it wouldn't harm playing him and seeing what he has got! Can it be any worse? |
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Post by daniel300380 on Apr 9, 2024 9:19:36 GMT
I don't know the ins and outs of the loan deal. I was just answering the question of what I would do. Yes he can can be recalled at anytime, at the end of the day he is a Signed Rovers player so as long as Oxford are okay with it is not a problem and Seeing they have been relegated then i cant see it being one. I heard that Oxford City's Goalkeeper is on loan from Wigan, he is not being recalled but apparently playing the last game of the season as National league finishes a week earlier! Wigan's last game happens to be Us at Wigan! The thing is with Greenslade is he is quick, and would play well of Martin and is also very creative so would cause different problems. It would be worth a look as we never know what we have got until to give him a chance at this level. The reason in Putting Greenslade in that Oxford team was to see if he could cope Physically. The Defender from the Clip is on loan to Barnet from Leyton Orient and has played over 150 league games. The Goalkeeper is Tottenham's under 21 Goal keeper so he can mix it against good players. I think if Taylor has an idea that a couple of players wont be there next season then it wouldn't harm playing him and seeing what he has got! Can it be any worse? I thought we wanted to play a youngster on the final day before, but we couldn't as he was out on loan before. I thought you had to be recalled during the transfer windows to play?? It might be different, when they are playing at a lower level. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 9, 2024 9:45:53 GMT
Yes he can can be recalled at anytime, at the end of the day he is a Signed Rovers player so as long as Oxford are okay with it is not a problem and Seeing they have been relegated then i cant see it being one. I heard that Oxford City's Goalkeeper is on loan from Wigan, he is not being recalled but apparently playing the last game of the season as National league finishes a week earlier! Wigan's last game happens to be Us at Wigan! The thing is with Greenslade is he is quick, and would play well of Martin and is also very creative so would cause different problems. It would be worth a look as we never know what we have got until to give him a chance at this level. The reason in Putting Greenslade in that Oxford team was to see if he could cope Physically. The Defender from the Clip is on loan to Barnet from Leyton Orient and has played over 150 league games. The Goalkeeper is Tottenham's under 21 Goal keeper so he can mix it against good players. I think if Taylor has an idea that a couple of players wont be there next season then it wouldn't harm playing him and seeing what he has got! Can it be any worse? I thought we wanted to play a youngster on the final day before, but we couldn't as he was out on loan before. I thought you had to be recalled during the transfer windows to play?? It might be different, when they are playing at a lower level. I always thought that you can always recall from 1 month or emergency loan deals but not 3 month or season long loan deals unless it fell inside of a transfer window. |
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Post by gasify on Apr 9, 2024 11:27:19 GMT
I don't know the ins and outs of the loan deal. I was just answering the question of what I would do. Yes he can can be recalled at anytime, at the end of the day he is a Signed Rovers player so as long as Oxford are okay with it is not a problem and Seeing they have been relegated then i cant see it being one. I heard that Oxford City's Goalkeeper is on loan from Wigan, he is not being recalled but apparently playing the last game of the season as National league finishes a week earlier! Wigan's last game happens to be Us at Wigan! The thing is with Greenslade is he is quick, and would play well of Martin and is also very creative so would cause different problems. It would be worth a look as we never know what we have got until to give him a chance at this level. The reason in Putting Greenslade in that Oxford team was to see if he could cope Physically. The Defender from the Clip is on loan to Barnet from Leyton Orient and has played over 150 league games. The Goalkeeper is Tottenham's under 21 Goal keeper so he can mix it against good players. I think if Taylor has an idea that a couple of players wont be there next season then it wouldn't harm playing him and seeing what he has got! Can it be any worse? Do you think he would be able to run the channels and create for the midfield streaming forward? It looks like MT likes the 1 up top approach of modern football. If we dink balls over midfield for him to run onto (like we did with Azza) would he be useful? |
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