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Post by gasify on Apr 11, 2024 6:24:58 GMT
As I said a month ago " even if we don't win one game in the last 10 he still stays ". Our home record is a shocking 7 points from a possible 33 . It appears there is no targets. No measurement . No direction. As I also said " even if he stays :how confident is the board in giving him a reasonable budget ?. Luckily 51 points should keep us up. It's only complacency and comfortability he stays. If this was one month earlier we be all ####### ourselves!. There is no accountability across the board. Off the pitch we are a laughing stock. Just look at Barton's twitter today, how is he getting away with it while still on the payroll? How long does it take to sort out adequate facilities for the South Stand? Non existent communication when there aren't season tickets to sell. Extortionate ticket prices at home to Shrewsbury in a dead-rubber (£26 to stand in the Thatchers!). I'm getting pelters on a daily basis from my sh**head mates. On the pitch we have zero tactics or gameplan. Taylor has lost the players completely and that is very worrying ahead of a potential full rebuild. Who's to say the same won't happen 10 games into next season? Knowing Taylor any players who attempt to play passing football (Evans, Thomas) will be shipped out and replaced by 6'4 cloggers. We are very lucky to be on 50+ points otherwise relegation would be nailed on. Dreading next season already. Don't look. Don't give him the attention that he obviously needs. 'We' are being trolled by JB. We are letting him do it. Some should be so ashamed of themselves. |
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Post by blueridge on Apr 11, 2024 6:41:15 GMT
In January the board gave him 500k cash and a big budget to get in 3 players. The Forest lad was in a premiership squad a few weeks before. Vaughan played a reasonable ammount of championship football. Clubs in division one would love a January budget of 500k cash and 3 higher leauge players. And quest what ?. He over looked a striker and opted for a cramped midfield. It's not as if he was given free transfers and national leauge players. I don't believe that. Where has that 'fact' come from? The loan players he got in. We ain't paying much for. Aguilera looked fantastic in his first game and then got injured unfortunately. One goal in 7 games seems about the value that most clubs got out of the Jan window with the exception of Lincoln who signed a loan player from Luton who has turned their season around. I was going to post something similar but in the end I couldn’t be a**ed - clearly he’s in the know with statements like that. Aquilera came in and scored a ‘worldly’ at Exeter and was then injured and has not been the same since. I genuinely feel that Taylor has been unlucky with injuries and having some players imo clearly wanting out - although to be fair he’s not helped himself with some of his post match interviews. Aguilera & Vaughan would always look better playing with better players around them at Forest & Hull - any young player coming into this group at the moment imo would struggle - there is apathy around them and a lack of quality. The sooner this season is over the better - I’m sure the manager is thinking the same. |
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Post by gasify on Apr 11, 2024 7:03:01 GMT
Wait til the end of the season, Cheltenham will go down and we’ll nick DC, knowing us we’ll get GC back (still a better option) When DC left, he was talking about structure in the club. Unhappy that we didn't have the infrastructure needed. Now, with the quarters we are led to believe that we are getting there. Maybe DC wouldn't be a bad option. If Friend know the players and DC does the man management, maybe we have a team. |
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Post by madridgas on Apr 11, 2024 8:17:10 GMT
The biggest issue I see with him being sacked is the fact we could be paying the wages of three managers for at least the whole of next season. How sustainable is that? The other issue is every time we do sack a manager fans list a load of names who most likely have zero interest in managing us. Too many think we are some big attractive league one club but the reality is we are not. The club couldn’t find anyone for weeks before Taylor was sacked by Rotherham. We would be better off trying to poach a lower league manager who is doing well, but that won’t happen if there are no brains within the football club. I still think it’s a massive gamble whatever we do. Agree with this, although do we know if we've even stopped paying Andy Mangan or others ? The chairman commented that we lost £5m last year, why would anyone think we will lose less this year? I believe that since the new owners came in we have been managing cash very tightly, loan for the stand, season tickets on sale earlier and (I think) wanting deferred payments on transfer targets. IF the new owners are trying to return some sanity to the finances of the club, we'll have a much reduced budget and need a manager who is both prepared to manage in that way and can be reasonably successful at it. Perhaps that is why MT was chosen ? Of course, one major challenge with that, is that fans have gotten used to the club spending (relatively) big and especially in these hard economic times, changing that and playing with a team with little chance of promotion may well mean they choose not to go so often, creating a downward spiral ..... Do we still have a "faithful five thousand" ? |
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Post by richard on Apr 11, 2024 8:22:53 GMT
Wait til the end of the season, Cheltenham will go down and we’ll nick DC, knowing us we’ll get GC back (still a better option) When DC left, he was talking about structure in the club. Unhappy that we didn't have the infrastructure needed. Now, with the quarters we are led to believe that we are getting there. Maybe DC wouldn't be a bad option. If Friend know the players and DC does the man management, maybe we have a team. I love DC as much as the next man but there is a massive concern over his recruitment. He built the conference team which did so well for us but was unable to move on from that whilst here and is still 'getting the band back together' with the likes of Sercombe, Taylor, Harrison etc all these years on. |
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Post by chewbacca on Apr 11, 2024 9:22:09 GMT
When DC left, he was talking about structure in the club. Unhappy that we didn't have the infrastructure needed. Now, with the quarters we are led to believe that we are getting there. Maybe DC wouldn't be a bad option. If Friend know the players and DC does the man management, maybe we have a team. I love DC as much as the next man but there is a massive concern over his recruitment. He built the conference team which did so well for us but was unable to move on from that whilst here and is still 'getting the band back together' with the likes of Sercombe, Taylor, Harrison etc all these years on. I see "recruitment" regarding managers being used a lot... We have Friend as Director of Football and Spendlove as Head of Recruitment so while I'd think the manager would be involved it wouldn't be just the manager. The question around DC would be his ability to develop players as a coach imo. I do think we're keen on becoming a development club, sign low and young and sell high. Something we completely hashed up during the Garner era. As for the "getting the band back together", every manager we've had since has done it... Coughlan had worked with Ogogo, JCH, Garner with Daly, Tisdale with Williams and Stockley who he begged for... I won't even bother with Barton's! |
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Post by pirate on Apr 11, 2024 9:30:52 GMT
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Post by darkbluegas on Apr 11, 2024 9:32:30 GMT
Only at Rovers could the manager still be in job after this appalling run. Not only that the clubs owners have taken to the bunker
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Post by chewbacca on Apr 11, 2024 9:52:44 GMT
Only at Rovers could the manager still be in job after this appalling run. Not only that the clubs owners have taken to the bunker We've 8 points from our last ten games. Everton, Brentford, Burnley, Sheffield United, Luton, Rotherham United, Burton, Cheltenham Town, Notts County and Salford City have all got 8 or fewer points from their last ten games and haven't changed their manager. |
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Post by darkbluegas on Apr 11, 2024 10:01:35 GMT
Only at Rovers could the manager still be in job after this appalling run. Not only that the clubs owners have taken to the bunker We've 8 points from our last ten games. Everton, Brentford, Burnley, Sheffield United, Luton, Rotherham United, Burton, Cheltenham Town, Notts County and Salford City have all got 8 or fewer points from their last ten games and haven't changed their manager. I'll wager they may have scored a goal though. Apparently Cheltenham have enquired at the EFL whether it's compulsory to have a goalkeeper in their squad as they could be more use serving in the club shop |
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Post by chewbacca on Apr 11, 2024 10:04:56 GMT
We've 8 points from our last ten games. Everton, Brentford, Burnley, Sheffield United, Luton, Rotherham United, Burton, Cheltenham Town, Notts County and Salford City have all got 8 or fewer points from their last ten games and haven't changed their manager. I'll wager they may have scored a goal though. Apparently Cheltenham have enquired at the EFL whether it's compulsory to have a goalkeeper in their squad as they could be more use serving in the club shop You don't get points for goals. You get points for draws and wins.  |
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Post by darkbluegas on Apr 11, 2024 10:08:12 GMT
I'll wager they may have scored a goal though. Apparently Cheltenham have enquired at the EFL whether it's compulsory to have a goalkeeper in their squad as they could be more use serving in the club shop You don't get points for goals. You get points for draws and wins. That's the spirit, who needs goals. Maybe we'll avoid relegation next season on 46 points with 46 0.0's that should get the crowds flooding back |
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Post by chewbacca on Apr 11, 2024 10:12:12 GMT
You don't get points for goals. You get points for draws and wins. That's the spirit, who needs goals. Maybe we'll avoid relegation next season on 46 points with 46 0.0's that should get the crowds flooding back I'm just refuting your claim "Only at Rovers could the manager still be in job after this appalling run", I've just listed 10 clubs that have done the same. For the record, it's sh**e. |
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Post by darkbluegas on Apr 11, 2024 10:18:39 GMT
That's the spirit, who needs goals. Maybe we'll avoid relegation next season on 46 points with 46 0.0's that should get the crowds flooding back I'm just refuting your claim "Only at Rovers could the manager still be in job after this appalling run", I've just listed 10 clubs that have done the same. For the record, it's sh**e. Our appalling run that I referred to included our inability to score a goal or even look like that maybe possible. I just find it unbelievable that a manager of a results based organization can fail so badly and still remain in his job. I would say, having listened to his interviews his presence at the club is actually damaging to morale and consequently the teams performances. Get him out of the building at least and let the senior players organize the side for the remaining four games before we create a record that will embarrass us for years to come |
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Post by peterparker on Apr 11, 2024 11:35:31 GMT
I'm just refuting your claim "Only at Rovers could the manager still be in job after this appalling run", I've just listed 10 clubs that have done the same. For the record, it's sh**e. Our appalling run that I referred to included our inability to score a goal or even look like that maybe possible. I just find it unbelievable that a manager of a results based organization can fail so badly and still remain in his job. I would say, having listened to his interviews his presence at the club is actually damaging to morale and consequently the teams performances. Get him out of the building at least and let the senior players organize the side for the remaining four games before we create a record that will embarrass us for years to come it depends what you mean by not even looking like it's possible for us to score because we have actually created some good chances over some of the last 7 games. Ward scuffs a shot. martin had at least 2 1 on 1's which you think he should do better with. Tuesday, Sinclair literally had a shot save don the goal line with a fantastic diving header. When your luck is out it's out we haven't been good enough overall, not going to argue that we have had 29 shots on target in the last 7 games (stat from Gascast) |
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Post by chewbacca on Apr 11, 2024 11:44:52 GMT
Our appalling run that I referred to included our inability to score a goal or even look like that maybe possible. I just find it unbelievable that a manager of a results based organization can fail so badly and still remain in his job. I would say, having listened to his interviews his presence at the club is actually damaging to morale and consequently the teams performances. Get him out of the building at least and let the senior players organize the side for the remaining four games before we create a record that will embarrass us for years to come it depends what you mean by not even looking like it's possible for us to score because we have actually created some good chances over some of the last 7 games. Ward scuffs a shot. martin had at least 2 1 on 1's which you think he should do better with. Tuesday, Sinclair literally had a shot save don the goal line with a fantastic diving header. When your luck is out it's out we haven't been good enough overall, not going to argue that we have had 29 shots on target in the last 7 games (stat from Gascast) To add a bit more to this across the last 7 games our xG has been 5.014, I'm not a huge fan of it in one game but over the course of 5+ it does add a bit more context. Over the course of the season so far our xG is 55.44 and we've scored 48 so before this run we were only under performing xG by 2.426, now it's 7.44. Like I said, not a huge xG fan but it's a bit interesting here. |
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Post by holmesgas1 on Apr 11, 2024 12:02:48 GMT
Only at Rovers could the manager still be in job after this appalling run. Not only that the clubs owners have taken to the bunker We've 8 points from our last ten games. Everton, Brentford, Burnley, Sheffield United, Luton, Rotherham United, Burton, Cheltenham Town, Notts County and Salford City have all got 8 or fewer points from their last ten games and haven't changed their manager. And Salford are managed by Karl Robinson who a few feel would be our saviour. Both should be given the off season to build their team, just like JB and DC. Then we can judge. To much knee jerk reaction as he’s trying to give players on the periphery a chance. If they don’t take it, well at least we know for next season. |
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Post by darkbluegas on Apr 11, 2024 12:08:08 GMT
it depends what you mean by not even looking like it's possible for us to score because we have actually created some good chances over some of the last 7 games. Ward scuffs a shot. martin had at least 2 1 on 1's which you think he should do better with. Tuesday, Sinclair literally had a shot save don the goal line with a fantastic diving header. When your luck is out it's out we haven't been good enough overall, not going to argue that we have had 29 shots on target in the last 7 games (stat from Gascast) To add a bit more to this across the last 7 games our xG has been 5.014, I'm not a huge fan of it in one game but over the course of 5+ it does add a bit more context. Over the course of the season so far our xG is 55.44 and we've scored 48 so before this run we were only under performing xG by 2.426, now it's 7.44. Like I said, not a huge xG fan but it's a bit interesting here. I think your phrase "we've created some good chances in the last seven games" (without scoring) sys everything we need to know about where we are as a club and what our expectations are |
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Post by gasify on Apr 11, 2024 12:43:24 GMT
I'm just refuting your claim "Only at Rovers could the manager still be in job after this appalling run", I've just listed 10 clubs that have done the same. For the record, it's sh**e. Our appalling run that I referred to included our inability to score a goal or even look like that maybe possible. I just find it unbelievable that a manager of a results based organization can fail so badly and still remain in his job. I would say, having listened to his interviews his presence at the club is actually damaging to morale and consequently the teams performances. Get him out of the building at least and let the senior players organize the side for the remaining four games before we create a record that will embarrass us for years to come I call bull.sh** on this. Tuesday night - Aguillera had a shot destined for the goal stopped by a worldy of a save. Sinclair had a shot cleared off the line with a worldy of a clearing header. Martin has had 5 or 6 1 v 1' on the keeper in the last 3 to 4 games. Brown had at least two 1v1's against Lincoln, Martin had two. We are creating the chances, we are looking like we can score. Its just that its not hitting the back of the net. Stop being so catastrophising. Have a read of this, get some perspective. www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20220725-catastrophising-how-toxic-thinking-can-lead-down-dark-path |
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Post by darkbluegas on Apr 11, 2024 12:47:41 GMT
Our appalling run that I referred to included our inability to score a goal or even look like that maybe possible. I just find it unbelievable that a manager of a results based organization can fail so badly and still remain in his job. I would say, having listened to his interviews his presence at the club is actually damaging to morale and consequently the teams performances. Get him out of the building at least and let the senior players organize the side for the remaining four games before we create a record that will embarrass us for years to come I call bull.sh** on this. Tuesday night - Aguillera had a shot destined for the goal stopped by a worldy of a save. Sinclair had a shot cleared off the line with a worldy of a clearing header. Martin has had 5 or 6 1 v 1' on the keeper in the last 3 to 4 games. Brown had at least two 1v1's against Lincoln, Martin had two. We are creating the chances, we are looking like we can score. Its just that its not hitting the back of the net. Stop being so catastrophising. Have a read of this, get some perspective. www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20220725-catastrophising-how-toxic-thinking-can-lead-down-dark-pathCheers Matt I'll have a read |
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