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Post by stokegiffordgas on Apr 17, 2024 20:01:58 GMT
We’re always quick to criticise referees but I’d like to call out last nights referee - best I’ve seen at the Mem this season.
Let some challenges go that looked borderline but he was consistent with both teams and read a lot of the play acting, mostly by Cambridge. Best example was when a Cambridge player went down (no foul) and then held his head to get the game stopped when clearly his head was not impacted.
Even he though suffered two things that won’t go away it seems:
1) as soon as there is an injury around 20 mins everyone goes to the touchline for a mass coaching brief.
2) worse, as per their keeper last night we saw again a bad case of no reason injury to break up our momentum knowing that keepers do to go off after treatment.
Anyway well done Mr Middleton I’d be happy to see you again.
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Post by Somersetgas on Apr 17, 2024 20:04:48 GMT
We’re always quick to criticise referees but I’d like to call out last nights referee - best I’ve seen at the Mem this season. Let some challenges go that looked borderline but he was consistent with both teams and read a lot of the play acting, mostly by Cambridge. Best example was when a Cambridge player went down (no foul) and then held his head to get the game stopped when clearly his head was not impacted. Even he though suffered two things that won’t go away it seems: 1) as soon as there is an injury around 20 mins everyone goes to the touchline for a mass coaching brief. 2) worse, as per their keeper last night we saw again a bad case of no reason injury to break up our momentum knowing that keepers do to go off after treatment. Anyway well done Mr Middleton I’d be happy to see you again. Yep agreed, let the game flow, also the Linesman on the East Terrace done well, bar a few dubious offsides, some in our favour. They will probably both get demoted now. |
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Post by eric on Apr 17, 2024 20:18:42 GMT
We’re always quick to criticise referees but I’d like to call out last nights referee - best I’ve seen at the Mem this season. Let some challenges go that looked borderline but he was consistent with both teams and read a lot of the play acting, mostly by Cambridge. Best example was when a Cambridge player went down (no foul) and then held his head to get the game stopped when clearly his head was not impacted. Even he though suffered two things that won’t go away it seems: 1) as soon as there is an injury around 20 mins everyone goes to the touchline for a mass coaching brief. 2) worse, as per their keeper last night we saw again a bad case of no reason injury to break up our momentum knowing that keepers do to go off after treatment. Anyway well done Mr Middleton I’d be happy to see you again. When there is an “injury” requiring the game to be stopped and the physio coming on the players should have to stand in the centre circle. The officials are just letting teams take the p1ss with these blatantly contrived timeouts. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 17, 2024 20:39:52 GMT
We’re always quick to criticise referees but I’d like to call out last nights referee - best I’ve seen at the Mem this season. Let some challenges go that looked borderline but he was consistent with both teams and read a lot of the play acting, mostly by Cambridge. Best example was when a Cambridge player went down (no foul) and then held his head to get the game stopped when clearly his head was not impacted. Even he though suffered two things that won’t go away it seems: 1) as soon as there is an injury around 20 mins everyone goes to the touchline for a mass coaching brief. 2) worse, as per their keeper last night we saw again a bad case of no reason injury to break up our momentum knowing that keepers do to go off after treatment. Anyway well done Mr Middleton I’d be happy to see you again. When there is an “injury” requiring the game to be stopped and the physio coming on the players should have to stand in the centre circle. The officials are just letting teams take the p1ss with these blatantly contrived timeouts. Or simply warn any players before the match that any player who goes to the coaching area when a player is receiving treatment will be carded? Given it seems to happen in virtually every match then it can hardly be going unnoticed by the FA? |
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Post by wider on Apr 17, 2024 20:48:48 GMT
Yes a decent sensible referee who didn’t make the game about him at any time.
Was a little surprised he just had a word quietly with Brandon when he went down in the box (and didn’t book him). He was consistent in not booking a few Cambridge dives. Wasn’t sure about Sincs penalty but Mr Middleton got most things right and kept the game going most of the time.
Getting the players to stay in the centre circle when the trainer comes on doesn’t sound a bad idea.
What to do about goalies “going down” to disrupt play is more of a problem imo. It’s happened a lot this season, nearly always in last 15 minutes. Perhaps time to withdraw the keeper’s exemption from having to go off when the trainer comes on for them - especially if not foul play against them?
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Post by eric on Apr 17, 2024 20:55:55 GMT
When there is an “injury” requiring the game to be stopped and the physio coming on the players should have to stand in the centre circle. The officials are just letting teams take the p1ss with these blatantly contrived timeouts. Or simply warn any players before the match that any player who goes to the coaching area when a player is receiving treatment will be carded? Given it seems to happen in virtually every match then it can hardly be going unnoticed by the FA? IFAB are apparently looking at goalkeepers time wasting and options include awarding corners. Something needs to be done because at the moment “dark arts” are being rewarded by toothless referees. I’d also start to issue retrospective punishments for players who feign injury to win free kicks, get opposition players into trouble or to break up play. If you pretend someone has hit you in the face for example then a 3 match ban should follow - managers would soon discourage their players from cheating. |
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Post by pudseygas on Apr 17, 2024 21:16:58 GMT
Yes a decent sensible referee who didn’t make the game about him at any time. Was a little surprised he just had a word quietly with Brandon when he went down in the box (and didn’t book him). He was consistent in not booking a few Cambridge dives. Wasn’t sure about Sincs penalty but Mr Middleton got most things right and kept the game going most of the time. Getting the players to stay in the centre circle when the trainer comes on doesn’t sound a bad idea. What to do about goalies “going down” to disrupt play is more of a problem imo. It’s happened a lot this season, nearly always in last 15 minutes. Perhaps time to withdraw the keeper’s exemption from having to go off when the trainer comes on for them - especially if not foul play against them? That would be hilarious. Would love to see a team concede with the keeper waiting on the sidelines to come on |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 17, 2024 21:18:19 GMT
Yes a decent sensible referee who didn’t make the game about him at any time. Was a little surprised he just had a word quietly with Brandon when he went down in the box (and didn’t book him). He was consistent in not booking a few Cambridge dives. Wasn’t sure about Sincs penalty but Mr Middleton got most things right and kept the game going most of the time. Getting the players to stay in the centre circle when the trainer comes on doesn’t sound a bad idea. What to do about goalies “going down” to disrupt play is more of a problem imo. It’s happened a lot this season, nearly always in last 15 minutes. Perhaps time to withdraw the keeper’s exemption from having to go off when the trainer comes on for them - especially if not foul play against them?We struggle to defend with a goalie on the pitch!! |
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Post by scdave on Apr 18, 2024 6:22:54 GMT
It's very difficult to control, with players feigning injury and they just go down holding their heads with seemingly no contact.
The problem is what if a Lockyer situation happened in the 85th minute following a defensive corner when the away side are one up. There could be a very serious medical emergency.
There have been a few cases where players just collapse, or go down on their knees (Connor Taylor etc). If a ref played on thinking it was the dark arts, can you imagine how they would feel if something serious happened when every second of medical assistance is vital? Plus they would get absolutely slaughtered by fans, pundits etc.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Apr 18, 2024 7:16:18 GMT
We’re always quick to criticise referees but I’d like to call out last nights referee - best I’ve seen at the Mem this season. Let some challenges go that looked borderline but he was consistent with both teams and read a lot of the play acting, mostly by Cambridge. Best example was when a Cambridge player went down (no foul) and then held his head to get the game stopped when clearly his head was not impacted. Even he though suffered two things that won’t go away it seems: 1) as soon as there is an injury around 20 mins everyone goes to the touchline for a mass coaching brief. 2) worse, as per their keeper last night we saw again a bad case of no reason injury to break up our momentum knowing that keepers do to go off after treatment. Anyway well done Mr Middleton I’d be happy to see you again. When there is an “injury” requiring the game to be stopped and the physio coming on the players should have to stand in the centre circle. The officials are just letting teams take the p1ss with these blatantly contrived timeouts. I was thinking exactly the same during the match, eric it’s the norm now, 🙃😕😫🙂💙 |
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Post by eric on Apr 18, 2024 7:23:54 GMT
It's very difficult to control, with players feigning injury and they just go down holding their heads with seemingly no contact. The problem is what if a Lockyer situation happened in the 85th minute following a defensive corner when the away side are one up. There could be a very serious medical emergency. There have been a few cases where players just collapse, or go down on their knees (Connor Taylor etc). If a ref played on thinking it was the dark arts, can you imagine how they would feel if something serious happened when every second of medical assistance is vital? Plus they would get absolutely slaughtered by fans, pundits etc. Those events are so rare and I’ve yet to see one where both sets of players don’t notice and alert medics, ref etc - there is always an urgent panic. Something needs to be done to stop players seeking to get players carded, break up play or win free kicks by feigning injury - like I said earlier where it is obvious someone has received no physical contact and goes down holding their face a retrospective 3 match ban. Players need to be reminded of the seriousness of genuine head injuries and why new protocols have been introduced in recent years - it is to protect them. I think it’s absolutely sick that they seek to abuse those very same protocols that are there for their professions benefit and this wider shrugging of shoulders and acceptance of “dark arts”. |
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Post by bidefordgas on Apr 18, 2024 7:25:46 GMT
Totally agree, a very good performance from a ref in his first season in the football league.
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Apr 18, 2024 7:49:40 GMT
Season 21/22.
In the first 24 games Southampton had a player go down in the 60th-70th minute in 16 games allowing for a 'time out' I remember MOTD picking up on it and you could see the bench telling players to go down.
What's the 4th official doing? Retrospective punishment?
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Post by Fetch on Apr 18, 2024 7:51:48 GMT
The referee away at Cheltenham on Saturday was also very good I thought. Wasn’t afraid to give early yellows to Cheltenham for some bad challenges. Best refs are the ones you barely notice. They let the game flow and don’t make it all about them.
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Post by bluegas on Apr 18, 2024 8:24:20 GMT
It's very difficult to control, with players feigning injury and they just go down holding their heads with seemingly no contact. The problem is what if a Lockyer situation happened in the 85th minute following a defensive corner when the away side are one up. There could be a very serious medical emergency. There have been a few cases where players just collapse, or go down on their knees (Connor Taylor etc). If a ref played on thinking it was the dark arts, can you imagine how they would feel if something serious happened when every second of medical assistance is vital? Plus they would get absolutely slaughtered by fans, pundits etc. Those events are so rare and I’ve yet to see one where both sets of players don’t notice and alert medics, ref etc - there is always an urgent panic. Something needs to be done to stop players seeking to get players carded, break up play or win free kicks by feigning injury - like I said earlier where it is obvious someone has received no physical contact and goes down holding their face a retrospective 3 match ban. Players need to be reminded of the seriousness of genuine head injuries and why new protocols have been introduced in recent years - it is to protect them. I think it’s absolutely sick that they seek to abuse those very same protocols that are there for their professions benefit and this wider shrugging of shoulders and acceptance of “dark arts”. Your last paragraph nailed it - they are abusing a protocol meant to protect them. They should realise this could lead to a tragedy. |
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Post by Quarters on Apr 18, 2024 8:26:57 GMT
Hard to judge sometimes. Cheltenham keeper went down and we thought was acting. Later revealed he broke a bone in his foot giving pen away.
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Post by amgas on Apr 18, 2024 8:42:12 GMT
Agree this is something that is getting worse.
One way around it is to restart the game regardless of if the teams are "ready" - seen a few times recently where refs have held the game for everyone to trot back from the touch line. Blow the whistle start the game and if you are all stood by the touchline tough luck ..... Would encourage the team given a free kick etc to be ready to go as soon as that whistle is blown.
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Post by eric on Apr 18, 2024 9:19:26 GMT
Hard to judge sometimes. Cheltenham keeper went down and we thought was acting. Later revealed he broke a bone in his foot giving pen away. It’s a bit of a “boy who cried wolf scenario”. Players continually lie and cheat so can’t moan when people are sceptical when they go down - they need to blame their fellow professionals. |
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Post by supergas on Apr 18, 2024 9:33:05 GMT
It's very difficult to control, with players feigning injury and they just go down holding their heads with seemingly no contact. The problem is what if a Lockyer situation happened in the 85th minute following a defensive corner when the away side are one up. There could be a very serious medical emergency. There have been a few cases where players just collapse, or go down on their knees (Connor Taylor etc). If a ref played on thinking it was the dark arts, can you imagine how they would feel if something serious happened when every second of medical assistance is vital? Plus they would get absolutely slaughtered by fans, pundits etc. Those events are so rare and I’ve yet to see one where both sets of players don’t notice and alert medics, ref etc - there is always an urgent panic. Something needs to be done to stop players seeking to get players carded, break up play or win free kicks by feigning injury - like I said earlier where it is obvious someone has received no physical contact and goes down holding their face a retrospective 3 match ban. Players need to be reminded of the seriousness of genuine head injuries and why new protocols have been introduced in recent years - it is to protect them. I think it’s absolutely sick that they seek to abuse those very same protocols that are there for their professions benefit and this wider shrugging of shoulders and acceptance of “dark arts”. I agree completely. Players and coaches are the ones abusing the system, they should be reminded that sooner or later their constant "crying wolf" could mean a serious incident is not responded to promptly. All of these PR stunts by clubs and referees to 'work together' are basically nonsense - the 'dark arts' need clamping down on either during games or retrospectively. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 18, 2024 9:34:53 GMT
Hard to judge sometimes. Cheltenham keeper went down and we thought was acting. Later revealed he broke a bone in his foot giving pen away. Regardless there's no need for a team talk just because the goalie is injured, this form of dark arts seems more prevalent at our level now than in the Premiership/European Cups. |
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