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Post by chewbacca on Apr 26, 2024 8:45:56 GMT
Interesting! From the article... "Q: Top eight is what you set out in terms of the budget when you first came in, is that the same sort of budget we can expect for this summer? A: Yes. Probably about the same budget but what has changed, and I think it is very important, is the set up for this recruitment. We did not have that set up last summer. So I would say that the budget will be utilised optimally this summer and the selection and recruitment will be done with better information, better signs, better analysis so we hope that we can achieve better results with the same budget." Talk is actually very cheap. We didn't have a "top 8" budget this season and we certainly won't be having one next season either. I mean has there ever been an owner interviewed that's not just regurgitated some bumpf about nothing? |
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Post by daniel300380 on Apr 26, 2024 9:09:41 GMT
Interesting! From the article... "Q: Top eight is what you set out in terms of the budget when you first came in, is that the same sort of budget we can expect for this summer? A: Yes. Probably about the same budget but what has changed, and I think it is very important, is the set up for this recruitment. We did not have that set up last summer. So I would say that the budget will be utilised optimally this summer and the selection and recruitment will be done with better information, better signs, better analysis so we hope that we can achieve better results with the same budget." Talk is actually very cheap. We didn't have a "top 8" budget this season and we certainly won't be having one next season either. So you've seen all the other teams budgets?? You have seen our budget?? We don't know how much we paid towards Vale's wages. A lot of the budget was tied up on injured players. Wilson turned down Plymouth, as we offered him better terms. Brown wouldn't have been cheap either, as he did well last season, although his court case would have put the price down a bit! Martin would have been on a high wage. Hunt and Friend came from the championship and would have been on a good wage. You would think Ward and Thomas would be on a good wage, they both came from clubs higher up as well. Even Taylor and McCormick etc would be on an okay wage, as they were highly rated when they signed. Rossitier would be on an okay wage as has only now started playing. A lot of our budget hardly played, but we still have to pay them! |
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Post by percy on Apr 26, 2024 9:16:06 GMT
Talk is actually very cheap. We didn't have a "top 8" budget this season and we certainly won't be having one next season either. So you've seen all the other teams budgets?? You have seen our budget?? We don't know how much we paid towards Vale's wages. A lot of the budget was tied up on injured players. Wilson turned down Plymouth, as we offered him better terms. Brown wouldn't have been cheap either, as he did well last season, although his court case would have put the price down a bit! Martin would have been on a high wage. Hunt and Friend came from the championship and would have been on a good wage. You would think Ward and Thomas would be on a good wage, they both came from clubs higher up as well. Even Taylor and McCormick etc would be on an okay wage, as they were highly rated when they signed. Rossitier would be on an okay wage as has only now started playing. A lot of our budget hardly played, but we still have to pay them! Yep. Hence his comments. This forum yoyos between "why dont we hear anything?" to "dont believe anything they say". Can see from the interview he has been surprised by the fanbase, should have registered on here for a couple of years before deciding to invest  |
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Post by pirate on Apr 26, 2024 9:24:12 GMT
Talk is actually very cheap. We didn't have a "top 8" budget this season and we certainly won't be having one next season either. So you've seen all the other teams budgets?? You have seen our budget?? We don't know how much we paid towards Vale's wages. A lot of the budget was tied up on injured players. Wilson turned down Plymouth, as we offered him better terms. Brown wouldn't have been cheap either, as he did well last season, although his court case would have put the price down a bit! Martin would have been on a high wage. Hunt and Friend came from the championship and would have been on a good wage. You would think Ward and Thomas would be on a good wage, they both came from clubs higher up as well. Even Taylor and McCormick etc would be on an okay wage, as they were highly rated when they signed. Rossitier would be on an okay wage as has only now started playing. A lot of our budget hardly played, but we still have to pay them! I think our budget was good enough by the way, but people talk in the game and it's my understanding Derby, Portsmouth, Bolton, Reading, Oxford, Wigan, Charlton, Blackpool, Barnsley and Peterborough all had bigger budgets than us this season. By the way, has the owner seen every other clubs budget for next season then, to already determine ours will be top 8??? |
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Post by gassedOut on Apr 26, 2024 9:30:13 GMT
Seems a sensible approach, Will be good to have a development team. Eventually must be a couple of years away yet as all but 1 youngsters taken on, and only 2 as pro's, unless we use 1st year scholars for the timebeing. So no real plan to start one this year. |
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Post by gassedOut on Apr 26, 2024 9:33:17 GMT
What I would say is. We are going to lose players like Evans and Thomas. I can't see them hanging around just to be a top 10 league 1 club. Probably seen them for last time in the quarters yesterday. I am not full of confidence has to be said. Love to be proven wrong. But does feel like weve gone backwards again. Agree, in reverse at the moment and the owner talks a good game but hes not from this industry and doesn't like taking advice from people in it. |
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Post by gassince1957 on Apr 26, 2024 10:09:58 GMT
What I would say is. We are going to lose players like Evans and Thomas. I can't see them hanging around just to be a top 10 league 1 club. Probably seen them for last time in the quarters yesterday. I am not full of confidence has to be said. Love to be proven wrong. But does feel like weve gone backwards again. Agree, in reverse at the moment and the owner talks a good game but hes not from this industry and doesn't like taking advice from people in it.By which you mean the fans forum experts? Pretty sure he's taken advice from actual professionals in the game. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 26, 2024 10:27:16 GMT
Cutting the budget by 25% could easily be moving on all the players who moved on in January. Can’t quite remember who they were but if you lose Collins, Belshaw, Clarke and a few others who aren’t playing you’ll save a decent amount.
So it could be perfectly true that we reduced budget by 25% but our playing budget from here on in is the same.
For what it’s worth, I think they’re more open with us than Wael has ever been. Wael would pen a letter every 6 months but could go years without an interview. Especially when Hani was on board. Did Higgs even do this many interviews? Swear it’s every other month right now.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 26, 2024 13:06:58 GMT
Talk is actually very cheap. We didn't have a "top 8" budget this season and we certainly won't be having one next season either. So you've seen all the other teams budgets?? You have seen our budget?? We don't know how much we paid towards Vale's wages. A lot of the budget was tied up on injured players. Wilson turned down Plymouth, as we offered him better terms. Brown wouldn't have been cheap either, as he did well last season, although his court case would have put the price down a bit! Martin would have been on a high wage. Hunt and Friend came from the championship and would have been on a good wage. You would think Ward and Thomas would be on a good wage, they both came from clubs higher up as well. Even Taylor and McCormick etc would be on an okay wage, as they were highly rated when they signed. Rossitier would be on an okay wage as has only now started playing. A lot of our budget hardly played, but we still have to pay them! Plymouth were only prepared to offer Wilson a 1 year deal whereas we were (daft enough) prepared to offer him a 2 year deal, we've no idea what salary he was offered by either club. If we have got a top 8 budget next season why is the target only top 10? On HaG all the owner would say was that it was a "reasonable" budget, which probably suggests it's a top 10/mid table budget. Not sure if the Development Squad is due to be in place for next season, if so, then does that squad's wages also come out of MT's playing budget or a separate budget? |
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Post by yattongas on Apr 26, 2024 13:47:45 GMT
So you've seen all the other teams budgets?? You have seen our budget?? We don't know how much we paid towards Vale's wages. A lot of the budget was tied up on injured players. Wilson turned down Plymouth, as we offered him better terms. Brown wouldn't have been cheap either, as he did well last season, although his court case would have put the price down a bit! Martin would have been on a high wage. Hunt and Friend came from the championship and would have been on a good wage. You would think Ward and Thomas would be on a good wage, they both came from clubs higher up as well. Even Taylor and McCormick etc would be on an okay wage, as they were highly rated when they signed. Rossitier would be on an okay wage as has only now started playing. A lot of our budget hardly played, but we still have to pay them! Plymouth were only prepared to offer Wilson a 1 year deal whereas we were (daft enough) prepared to offer him a 2 year deal, we've no idea what salary he was offered by either club. If we have got a top 8 budget next season why is the target only top 10? On HaG all the owner would say was that it was a "reasonable" budget, which probably suggests it's a top 10/mid table budget. Not sure if the Development Squad is due to be in place for next season, if so, then does that squad's wages also come out of MT's playing budget or a separate budget? Think all I’ve seen is we will have a similar budget to last season which was allegedly 8th highest. Having the same budget this season doesn’t mean it’ll be the 8th highest, that depends on what other clubs spend. Looks like they’ll be a few big spenders next season. |
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Post by RD on Apr 26, 2024 13:54:14 GMT
So you've seen all the other teams budgets?? You have seen our budget?? We don't know how much we paid towards Vale's wages. A lot of the budget was tied up on injured players. Wilson turned down Plymouth, as we offered him better terms. Brown wouldn't have been cheap either, as he did well last season, although his court case would have put the price down a bit! Martin would have been on a high wage. Hunt and Friend came from the championship and would have been on a good wage. You would think Ward and Thomas would be on a good wage, they both came from clubs higher up as well. Even Taylor and McCormick etc would be on an okay wage, as they were highly rated when they signed. Rossitier would be on an okay wage as has only now started playing. A lot of our budget hardly played, but we still have to pay them! I think our budget was good enough by the way, but people talk in the game and it's my understanding Derby, Portsmouth, Bolton, Reading, Oxford, Wigan, Charlton, Blackpool, Barnsley and Peterborough all had bigger budgets than us this season. By the way, has the owner seen every other clubs budget for next season then, to already determine ours will be top 8??? Not be be pedantic, but it also depends on how you read it - "top 8 budget" doesn't necessarily mean that, if you ranked the budget of each side in the league, we'd be in the top 8. Instead it could well mean a budget capable of getting the club into the top 8. Given points deductions and the mess at clubs like Reading, Wigan and Charlton (at the start of the season), the latter could still make sense too. I.e. just because we'd have a smaller budget than them, you'd expect us to finish higher with less money potentially, as we're not handicapped by points deductions etc. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 26, 2024 14:19:55 GMT
I think our budget was good enough by the way, but people talk in the game and it's my understanding Derby, Portsmouth, Bolton, Reading, Oxford, Wigan, Charlton, Blackpool, Barnsley and Peterborough all had bigger budgets than us this season. By the way, has the owner seen every other clubs budget for next season then, to already determine ours will be top 8??? Not be be pedantic, but it also depends on how you read it - "top 8 budget" doesn't necessarily mean that, if you ranked the budget of each side in the league, we'd be in the top 8. Instead it could well mean a budget capable of getting the club into the top 8. Given points deductions and the mess at clubs like Reading, Wigan and Charlton (at the start of the season), the latter could still make sense too. I.e. just because we'd have a smaller budget than them, you'd expect us to finish higher with less money potentially, as we're not handicapped by points deductions etc. Or he just wants to be non committed and gave a generic answer. "Competitive" could mean anything. |
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Post by yattongas on Apr 26, 2024 14:40:43 GMT
Not be be pedantic, but it also depends on how you read it - "top 8 budget" doesn't necessarily mean that, if you ranked the budget of each side in the league, we'd be in the top 8. Instead it could well mean a budget capable of getting the club into the top 8. Given points deductions and the mess at clubs like Reading, Wigan and Charlton (at the start of the season), the latter could still make sense too. I.e. just because we'd have a smaller budget than them, you'd expect us to finish higher with less money potentially, as we're not handicapped by points deductions etc. Or he just wants to be non committed and gave a generic answer. "Competitive" could mean anything. Competitive like Eddie the Eagle in the 1988 Olympics ! |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 26, 2024 14:57:21 GMT
Or he just wants to be non committed and gave a generic answer. "Competitive" could mean anything. Competitive like Eddie the Eagle in the 1988 Olympics ! More Eddie the Eagle in Dancing on Ice. |
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Post by curlywurly on May 6, 2024 9:05:33 GMT
Interested in the owners timeline for the East Stand plans. I've no desire to turn a thread political, but the Local Election results will have a significant impact on the make up of the Planning committees. Given the stated timing of East Stand plans being finalised, I hope there is good dialogue with the ward councilors as promised at the time of the South Stand development.
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Post by rovers78 on May 6, 2024 9:19:01 GMT
Interesting! From the article... "Q: Top eight is what you set out in terms of the budget when you first came in, is that the same sort of budget we can expect for this summer? A: Yes. Probably about the same budget but what has changed, and I think it is very important, is the set up for this recruitment. We did not have that set up last summer. So I would say that the budget will be utilised optimally this summer and the selection and recruitment will be done with better information, better signs, better analysis so we hope that we can achieve better results with the same budget." Talk is actually very cheap. We didn't have a "top 8" budget this season and we certainly won't be having one next season either. I’m very confident in saying, we had a top 10, maybe even top 8, playing and coaching staff budget when the season began. You really think JB & his cronies, Wilson, Hunt, Vale & Cox loans, Martin, Sinclair, Taylor, Thomas, Brown - all wouldn’t have been on very good wages, a fair bit better than L1 average? 23-24 season is far and away the most we’ve ever “gone for it” in league one. Just executed it horribly !! |
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Post by pirate on May 6, 2024 9:27:08 GMT
Talk is actually very cheap. We didn't have a "top 8" budget this season and we certainly won't be having one next season either. I’m very confident in saying, we had a top 10, maybe even top 8, playing and coaching staff budget when the season began. You really think JB & his cronies, Wilson, Hunt, Vale & Cox loans, Martin, Sinclair, Taylor, Thomas, Brown - all wouldn’t have been on very good wages, a fair bit better than L1 average? 23-24 season is far and away the most we’ve ever “gone for it” in league one. Just executed it horribly !! It was 11th or 12th best. £4.5m. As I said, it was good enough, but agree with your "executed it horribly" assessment. |
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Post by The Equaliser on May 6, 2024 10:38:36 GMT
I’m very confident in saying, we had a top 10, maybe even top 8, playing and coaching staff budget when the season began. You really think JB & his cronies, Wilson, Hunt, Vale & Cox loans, Martin, Sinclair, Taylor, Thomas, Brown - all wouldn’t have been on very good wages, a fair bit better than L1 average? 23-24 season is far and away the most we’ve ever “gone for it” in league one. Just executed it horribly !! It was 11th or 12th best. £4.5m. As I said, it was good enough, but agree with your "executed it horribly" assessment. Agree with this Pirate, from all the well informed sites I’ve checked it appears our budget was around 11th/12th. Funnily enough, as it turns out that’s where we peaked in our League position 👍🏾 |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 6, 2024 11:07:25 GMT
It was 11th or 12th best. £4.5m. As I said, it was good enough, but agree with your "executed it horribly" assessment. Agree with this Pirate, from all the well informed sites I’ve checked it appears our budget was around 11th/12th. Funnily enough, as it turns out that’s where we peaked in our League position 👍🏾 Which was bang on our average attendance: www.footballwebpages.co.uk/league-one/attendances Until we either increase the ground capacity or find a way to generate transfer income like Oxford and Posh that's probably our limit. |
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Post by The Equaliser on May 6, 2024 11:14:05 GMT
Agree with this Pirate, from all the well informed sites I’ve checked it appears our budget was around 11th/12th. Funnily enough, as it turns out that’s where we peaked in our League position 👍🏾 Which was bang on our average attendance: www.footballwebpages.co.uk/league-one/attendances Until we either increase the ground capacity or find a way to generate transfer income like Oxford and Posh that's probably our limit. Agreed. It appears to be our ‘ceiling’. Whether Joey, Darrell, Paul or even Ollie , our progress seems to halt around halfway 3rd tier before we fall away again, only Gerry Francis managed what appears to be the impossible. As you say unless we find additional funding our future looks set. |
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