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Post by Gasshole on Apr 28, 2024 7:11:53 GMT
Generally you get what you pay for. However there are always a few exceptions to that rule, be it through fantastic man management or good luck and chemistry.
The later is our only hope.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 28, 2024 7:42:55 GMT
Seeing lots of Taylor out.But Who would we replace him with? They Would need to bring in a whole new side too. I must say I e am slightly worried, Taylor had summer at Rotherham to build their squad and look where that’s got em! Not going to say Taylor is the right or wrong man, but Rotherham with the lowest budget in the championship finished bottom. Similar to Luton in the Premiership but at least they've put up a massive fight for survival? A lack of fight seems a recurring theme for both Rotherham and Rovers this season. If MT can't inspire the fans then how's he going to inspire his players. The big fear is the owners haven't a clue and neither does TG, so they'll just continue with MT as manager even if he's useless. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 28, 2024 7:44:49 GMT
Generally you get what you pay for. However there are always a few exceptions to that rule, be it through fantastic man management or good luck and chemistry. The later is our only hope. We've a top 10(?) budget but playing like a top 20 side? |
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Post by peterparker on Apr 28, 2024 7:50:26 GMT
Not going to say Taylor is the right or wrong man, but Rotherham with the lowest budget in the championship finished bottom. and Luton with one of the lowest budgets ended up in the premiership. And that is also true. Things can be done and 'success' (whatever that is determined to be for x club) can be achieved against the odds, but if we are honest we all know Luton, Wimbledon etc are those once in a generation type things and that is everything coming together. That's what we all dream of isn't it. 'Failure' (again what ever failure is deemed to be for any club) is far easier to achieve than success I just find the look what he did at Rotherham a bit of a weird stick to beat him with in the context of a league where you have teams like Norwich, Leeds, Leicester and the tens of millions they spend By all means, people can have reservations, but he has the chance to do something with the squad and hopefully get enough of the types of players he wants. We will see where we are in a few months time. Only time will tell won't it |
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Post by returnofthedust on Apr 28, 2024 7:55:59 GMT
and Luton with one of the lowest budgets ended up in the premiership. And that is also true. Things can be done and 'success' (whatever that is determined to be for x club) can be achieved against the odds, but if we are honest we all know Luton, Wimbledon etc are those once in a generation type things and that is everything coming together. That's what we all dream of isn't it. 'Failure' (again what ever failure is deemed to be for any club) is far easier to achieve than success I just find the look what he did at Rotherham a bit of a weird stick to beat him with in the context of a league where you have teams like Norwich, Leeds, Leicester and the tens of millions they spend By all means, people can have reservations, but he has the chance to do something with the squad and hopefully get enough of the types of players he wants. We will see where we are in a few months time. Only time will tell won't it It’s a hard league for them to stay in but he delivered the worst results for the best budget they’ve had in that league (basing that on breaking the transfer record twice) |
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Post by darkbluegas on Apr 28, 2024 8:31:23 GMT
Football management like most leadership is about personality, people skills and inspiration. You then hire the technical people to get the day to say stuff done.
I know it was a different world etc but Brian Clough would spend very little time engaged with the squad at Forest and they won the European Cup. However players would run through brick walls for him.
Gerry Francis in his first spell with us turned a dreadful Gould squad into a team just outside of the play offs mid season without spending money.
You could go on and on listing managers that achieved results and every one had that "something" about them personality wise that motivates people, that inspires success.
Taylor seems like a nice bloke, committed and conscientious BUT....well you know. Maybe life in the hot seat is maybe something his skill set isn't made for
The club, first team and fans need inspiration and motivation and now is probably a good time time to be looking elsewhere to find it.
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Post by Gasshole on Apr 28, 2024 8:39:52 GMT
Generally you get what you pay for. However there are always a few exceptions to that rule, be it through fantastic man management or good luck and chemistry. The later is our only hope. We've a top 10(?) budget but playing like a top 20 side? We achieved a top 15 Finish on a top 10 budget. Not too far off. With a top 2 budget I would expect the PO ‘s as a minimum, but autos as a realistic possibility. More money , more chance of winning…..simple. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 28, 2024 8:47:45 GMT
“The grass is always greener” . If Ipswich go up and lose their first 6 games Ipswich fans will be calling for a more experienced manager who knows the premiership. MT’ s points haul from his first 29 games in charge is better than either DC or JB. Have people forgotten how bad it was when we had JJOT as the scapegoat in the team and players rumoured to be taking drugs.People were on the pitch calling for the heads of the Baord members . 12 months later…… Lewis Hamilton will never win a formula one race at the wheel of even the fastest and most luxurious, expensive tractor in the world. How is Taylor expected to field a resolute hard working and pressing team when he does not have the players to do it. Need I go in with other silly analogies But Taylor had a window and brought in more midfielders and no strikers despite that being an obvious problem. Taylor also has persisted picking Brown, effectively setting us up with 10 men. Yes, some of the squad appear to have downed tools but it's Taylors job to sort that. |
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Post by kampucheagas on Apr 28, 2024 8:56:52 GMT
We will get a good idea of where we are after the retained list
I hope MT has a clear vision of the formation he wants to work on, we seem to have no clear identity as a team, god knows how many different systems we played which meant no consistency
Does he play with 3 at the back? If so we need proper wing backs and a real focus on pace up top
I’m in the give the guy time to mould his team, we surely can’t judge him until then? Not even Pep could create a winning team with only the useless brown as a striker.
UTG
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Post by percy on Apr 28, 2024 8:59:57 GMT
All a bit pointless as he’s not going anywhere. At least not until November/ December
Hopefully he can build a good squad with lots of pace and something to excite the fans again.
Anyone thinking he will be sacked hasn’t been listening to the owner.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2024 9:00:00 GMT
Disappointing thread …
MT has had to deal with no end of crap - Give the guy a break!
Let’s see what he does in the summer and judge him then.
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Post by playtowin on Apr 28, 2024 9:11:23 GMT
David Williams
Ian Holloway
Paul Trollope
Joe Barton
Darrell Clarke
Gerry Francis
All played central midfield.
Seems to be a match for whats suited best at Rovers.
I might be tempted to be aware of similar types of player reaching the end of playing careers or been a coach perhaps for a few years.
James Milner or Ward-Prowse might be future candidates perhaps ??
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Post by oviedista on Apr 28, 2024 9:28:58 GMT
“The grass is always greener” . If Ipswich go up and lose their first 6 games Ipswich fans will be calling for a more experienced manager who knows the premiership. MT’ s points haul from his first 29 games in charge is better than either DC or JB. Have people forgotten how bad it was when we had JJOT as the scapegoat in the team and players rumoured to be taking drugs.People were on the pitch calling for the heads of the Baord members . 12 months later…… Lewis Hamilton will never win a formula one race at the wheel of even the fastest and most luxurious, expensive tractor in the world. How is Taylor expected to field a resolute hard working and pressing team when he does not have the players to do it. Need I go in with other silly analogies But Taylor had a window and brought in more midfielders and no strikers despite that being an obvious problem. Taylor also has persisted picking Brown, effectively setting us up with 10 men. Yes, some of the squad appear to have downed tools but it's Taylors job to sort that. Watching 'Sunderland 'Til I Die' really opened my eyes to just how chaotic and desperate the transfer window can be. Who Taylor wanted and who we got in might be very different things. January signings felt very much 'anything to see us through to the end of the season' and to that length I guess it's worked out. |
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Post by Goose on Apr 28, 2024 9:45:35 GMT
Football management like most leadership is about personality, people skills and inspiration. You then hire the technical people to get the day to say stuff done. I know it was a different world etc but Brian Clough would spend very little time engaged with the squad at Forest and they won the European Cup. However players would run through brick walls for him. Gerry Francis in his first spell with us turned a dreadful Gould squad into a team just outside of the play offs mid season without spending money. You could go on and on listing managers that achieved results and every one had that "something" about them personality wise that motivates people, that inspires success. Taylor seems like a nice bloke, committed and conscientious BUT....well you know. Maybe life in the hot seat is maybe something his skill set isn't made for The club, first team and fans need inspiration and motivation and now is probably a good time time to be looking elsewhere to find it. Absolutely spot on.... In any walk of life managers bring teams together, inspire people.... They aren't the doers, the people before have the tools to carry out the role and it's the managers to get the best out of them |
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Post by returnofthedust on Apr 28, 2024 9:55:50 GMT
Disappointing thread … MT has had to deal with no end of crap - Give the guy a break! Let’s see what he does in the summer and judge him then. He’s not helped himself , either. |
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Post by peterhooper57 on Apr 28, 2024 10:02:58 GMT
David Williams Ian Holloway Paul Trollope Joe Barton Darrell Clarke Gerry Francis All played central midfield. Seems to be a match for whats suited best at Rovers. I might be tempted to be aware of similar types of player reaching the end of playing careers or been a coach perhaps for a few years. James Milner or Ward-Prowse might be future candidates perhaps ?? James Milner is imo an absolutely fantastic candidate, fantastic footballer great professional, even the most left wing holier than thou ashen cloth wearing follower of the gas faith would surely not buckle onto their knees in horror. Love it, James Millner for me. |
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Post by peterparker on Apr 28, 2024 10:18:45 GMT
Lol. Some irony in the 'boring' James Milner meme being named
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 28, 2024 10:20:00 GMT
Lol. Some irony in the 'boring' James Milner meme being named I think that's why we appointed Taylor. They just wanted someone boring in charge for a bit! |
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 28, 2024 10:24:01 GMT
“The grass is always greener” . If Ipswich go up and lose their first 6 games Ipswich fans will be calling for a more experienced manager who knows the premiership. MT’ s points haul from his first 29 games in charge is better than either DC or JB. Have people forgotten how bad it was when we had JJOT as the scapegoat in the team and players rumoured to be taking drugs.People were on the pitch calling for the heads of the Baord members . 12 months later…… Lewis Hamilton will never win a formula one race at the wheel of even the fastest and most luxurious, expensive tractor in the world. How is Taylor expected to field a resolute hard working and pressing team when he does not have the players to do it. Need I go in with other silly analogies But Taylor had a window and brought in more midfielders and no strikers despite that being an obvious problem. Taylor also has persisted picking Brown, effectively setting us up with 10 men. Yes, some of the squad appear to have downed tools but it's Taylors job to sort that. Unfortunately he was told to pick Brown by the hierarchy as they were hoping to sell him in the summer 😂😂 |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 28, 2024 10:32:35 GMT
But Taylor had a window and brought in more midfielders and no strikers despite that being an obvious problem. Taylor also has persisted picking Brown, effectively setting us up with 10 men. Yes, some of the squad appear to have downed tools but it's Taylors job to sort that. Unfortunately he was told to pick Brown by the hierarchy as they were hoping to sell him in the summer 😂😂 Is that for real??? |
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