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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 14, 2024 21:19:38 GMT
Percy, of course if he signs he will be promised the number 1 shirt or he will not leave Sheffield Wednesday. Ward will either be no 2 or loaned out. Jed needs more experience and to beef himself up for aerial bombardments which he will face due to his stature.He needs to learn to control his defence as to me he never controlled his defenders last season and that is why most good teams have a very experienced number 1. Great signing if there is truth in it. Sounds like he’s already no3 at Wednesday. He might like a challenge and opportunity to improve a future England no 1. Don’t believe your “of course “ bit at all. Fight for the jersey ffs. He'll be on decent money at Wednesday, I can't see us paying similar money just to sit him on the bench. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 14, 2024 21:41:02 GMT
Who? Ward isn’t being sent out on loan. He’ll be a joint no1 with a more experienced keeper or sold for £1m plus. No point sending him to league 2 now. What team has "joint No 1 goalies"? Even the likes of Man C & Liverpool have a No 1 and just use the back up goalies for cup games, given we play around 6 of those a season Ward can hardly develop just playing in those games. There's always a chance a big money move has been lined up but if not then I expect him now to go out on loan to a L2 side. We had Jaakola and Belshaw and that worked out fairly well. Once Ward came back last season he usurped Matt Cox. A season that worked less well was Adam Smith and Sam Slocombe. They were equally joint #1 crap goalkeepers. Competition is good. |
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Post by yattongas on Jun 14, 2024 22:23:23 GMT
Who? Ward isn’t being sent out on loan. He’ll be a joint no1 with a more experienced keeper or sold for £1m plus. No point sending him to league 2 now. What team has "joint No 1 goalies"? Even the likes of Man C & Liverpool have a No 1 and just use the back up goalies for cup games, given we play around 6 of those a season Ward can hardly develop just playing in those games. There's always a chance a big money move has been lined up but if not then I expect him now to go out on loan to a L2 side. I don’t . |
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Post by percy on Jun 15, 2024 5:53:42 GMT
What team has "joint No 1 goalies"? Even the likes of Man C & Liverpool have a No 1 and just use the back up goalies for cup games, given we play around 6 of those a season Ward can hardly develop just playing in those games. There's always a chance a big money move has been lined up but if not then I expect him now to go out on loan to a L2 side. We had Jaakola and Belshaw and that worked out fairly well. Once Ward came back last season he usurped Matt Cox. A season that worked less well was Adam Smith and Sam Slocombe. They were equally joint #1 crap goalkeepers. Competition is good. Exactly. cc Topper |
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Post by eric on Jun 15, 2024 7:31:36 GMT
Who? Ward isn’t being sent out on loan. He’ll be a joint no1 with a more experienced keeper or sold for £1m plus. No point sending him to league 2 now. What team has "joint No 1 goalies"? Even the likes of Man C & Liverpool have a No 1 and just use the back up goalies for cup games, given we play around 6 of those a season Ward can hardly develop just playing in those games. There's always a chance a big money move has been lined up but if not then I expect him now to go out on loan to a L2 side. Shilton and Clemence for quite a while before Spain 82? |
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Post by kampucheagas on Jun 15, 2024 9:13:29 GMT
It’s in our favour that he’s just signed a long contract.
I’d love to see him as our No 1 as I think he’s good enough, but he’s young and will develop into a better keeper.
The only issue is, do we want to spend a big chunk of budget on experienced keeper if we already have the answer? It’s a key position so need the club to get it right!
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 15, 2024 9:42:03 GMT
I’d rather we didn’t recruit to replace Ward and to send him out or have him as a number 2. Id rather we seek to get someone equivalent to him and let them battle it out for the top set, and utilise the budget further forward.
I think he’s more than capable and importantly he’s ours.
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Post by toddy1953 on Jun 15, 2024 9:55:11 GMT
I think Ward’s development is best served by by decent & commanding defenders in front of him, barking instructions & full backs that can actually cut out crosses. Get a no2 in by all means to increase competition, but we need to spend any money the owners are prepared to spend in other areas of the pitch.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 15, 2024 10:40:33 GMT
I’d rather we didn’t recruit to replace Ward and to send him out or have him as a number 2. Id rather we seek to get someone equivalent to him and let them battle it out for the top set, and utilise the budget further forward. I think he’s more than capable and importantly he’s ours. It all depends on where we're aiming this season, if it's just to avoid a relegation battle and prepare for the future Ward may be good enough, if the aim is top 10 he's clearly not good enough. I've no idea why fans seem worried about Ward not starting, as we're not going to gain anything if he starts or not but will gain if MT can bring in a better keeper. |
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Post by Quarters on Jun 15, 2024 10:48:00 GMT
If Matt Hall had played those games instead of Ward and performed as well would we be saying make him No1?
If a keeper comes in then one of Hall or Ward should go out on loan.
Assumption is that there will be very few games outside the first team to play in.
Will we go with the tactic, send Ward out on loan and if first choice keeper is injured get an emergency loan as Hall has no experience?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 15, 2024 11:07:43 GMT
I’d rather we didn’t recruit to replace Ward and to send him out or have him as a number 2. Id rather we seek to get someone equivalent to him and let them battle it out for the top set, and utilise the budget further forward. I think he’s more than capable and importantly he’s ours. It all depends on where we're aiming this season, if it's just to avoid a relegation battle and prepare for the future Ward may be good enough, if the aim is top 10 he's clearly not good enough. I've no idea why fans seem worried about Ward not starting, as we're not going to gain anything if he starts or not but will gain if MT can bring in a better keeper. Disagree. I think he’s good enough whatever we’re aiming for and we need to nurture his talent. |
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Post by stevek192 on Jun 15, 2024 18:32:59 GMT
It was clear last season he is not good enough to be first choice because the reason most teams have experienced keepers is because young keepers do not have the confidence to control experienced defenders.Ward is not physically strong enough for a season of League 1. Too many are caught up in this "Hes one of our own" Cox had a rotten deal because he was not one of our own.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 15, 2024 18:58:48 GMT
It was clear last season he is not good enough to be first choice because the reason most teams have experienced keepers is because young keepers do not have the confidence to control experienced defenders.Ward is not physically strong enough for a season of League 1. Too many are caught up in this "Hes one of our own" Cox had a rotten deal because he was not one of our own. We hardly had any fully fit experienced defenders last season? Cox was inferior to Ward it was nothing to do with him not being one of our own, it'll be interesting to see where Cox ends up this season and how many games he plays. |
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Post by albaron on Jun 15, 2024 21:43:05 GMT
It was clear last season he is not good enough to be first choice because the reason most teams have experienced keepers is because young keepers do not have the confidence to control experienced defenders.Ward is not physically strong enough for a season of League 1. Too many are caught up in this "Hes one of our own" Cox had a rotten deal because he was not one of our own. We hardly had any fully fit experienced defenders last season? Cox was inferior to Ward it was nothing to do with him not being one of our own, it'll be interesting to see where Cox ends up this season and how many games he plays. You must be joking . Every time we have a free kick or corner against us I cringe. Yes Ward will probably be good. But at this moment we need a more experienced goalie. |
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Post by bridgwatergas on Jun 15, 2024 22:43:19 GMT
It was clear last season he is not good enough to be first choice because the reason most teams have experienced keepers is because young keepers do not have the confidence to control experienced defenders.Ward is not physically strong enough for a season of League 1. Too many are caught up in this "Hes one of our own" Cox had a rotten deal because he was not one of our own. We hardly had any fully fit experienced defenders last season? Cox was inferior to Ward it was nothing to do with him not being one of our own, it'll be interesting to see where Cox ends up this season and how many games he plays. Cox inferior to Ward you are on the wind up surely. |
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Post by pirate on Jun 16, 2024 0:59:55 GMT
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 16, 2024 7:45:45 GMT
We hardly had any fully fit experienced defenders last season? Cox was inferior to Ward it was nothing to do with him not being one of our own, it'll be interesting to see where Cox ends up this season and how many games he plays. You must be joking . Every time we have a free kick or corner against us I cringe. Yes Ward will probably be good. But at this moment we need a more experienced goalie. Every game Cox started we gave the opposition a 1 or 2 goal lead, at least Ward was capable of saving shots. I assume with coaching a young goalie can learn to control his area, nobody is ever going to teach a goalie how to save shots. |
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Jun 16, 2024 8:52:21 GMT
Cox and Ward are both fantastic young keepers, pointless really to compare them. But they are both young and relatively inexperienced, all young goalkeepers go through a loss of confidence at some point during a season. Ward and an experienced keeper to fight it out for the number one spot would be sensible and if Ward gets 10....15 games during the season, then that's good for his continued development.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 16, 2024 9:04:56 GMT
Cox and Ward are both fantastic young keepers, pointless really to compare them. But they are both young and relatively inexperienced, all young goalkeepers go through a loss of confidence at some point during a season. Ward and an experienced keeper to fight it out for the number one spot would be sensible and if Ward gets 10....15 games during the season, then that's good for his continued development. What's Ward really going to learn sat on the bench for most league games, he needs to be playing competitive games and learning from his mistakes etc. |
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Post by kampucheagas on Jun 16, 2024 9:29:42 GMT
Cox and Ward are both fantastic young keepers, pointless really to compare them. But they are both young and relatively inexperienced, all young goalkeepers go through a loss of confidence at some point during a season. Ward and an experienced keeper to fight it out for the number one spot would be sensible and if Ward gets 10....15 games during the season, then that's good for his continued development. What's Ward really going to learn sat on the bench for most league games, he needs to be playing competitive games and learning from his mistakes etc. Agree. Nothing more soul destroying for a keeper being sat on the bench all season. We either say he’s our No 1 or he goes out on loan. UTG |
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