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Post by pirate on Jul 3, 2024 20:13:11 GMT
Don’t really know what people expect, Evans had a good spell with us,but he wasn’t a brilliant stand out performer, he often looked good in bang average league one side, he didn’t set the world on fire and was poor at times and he wouldn’t make my top 20 best midfielders to play for us. Opta had him in the top 20 performing League One players last season. |
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Post by yattongas on Jul 3, 2024 20:17:56 GMT
Don’t really know what people expect, Evans had a good spell with us,but he wasn’t a brilliant stand out performer, he often looked good in bang average league one side, he didn’t set the world on fire and was poor at times and he wouldn’t make my top 20 best midfielders to play for us. Yep , pretty decent player but no great shakes. 450k is a fair price with just a yr left . |
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Post by eric on Jul 3, 2024 20:24:35 GMT
So you’d set a price (How much?) and not budge on that and be ok with him staying and see out his contract like Lockyer (Nothing wrong with that btw just interested). As I’ve said before I would keep him for the last year rather than take £450k but only if I thought he was going to be needed in a realistic promotion contending team. We are not that team and so I’d rather get the sale done early to give MT a fair chance with his rebuild if the club have established there is unlikely to be interest at a significantly higher amount. Btw the club don’t let much leak to the Evening Post these days. Is this leak a deliberate attempt to stoke a bidding war - may have spooked Birmingham into getting involved if reports are true? Yes I’d set a price. I’d laugh off £450,000 as an insult to be honest. He’s one of the leagues best midfielders, hope you are right about others coming in but won’t hold my breath!! UTG Totally agree on him being one of the leagues best midfielders. It’s a shame that the system (length remaining on a contract) is so pivotal in the transfer value of a player. If there were two years remaining perhaps the value would be £1m? Now £450k to £650k? In January £200k if someone was desperate to secure promotion? Next year one of the best midfielders in league one will cost zilch. Even on here full of Rovers fans there is a wide range of valuations £350k up to £1m !!! |
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Post by wsmjohn on Jul 3, 2024 20:31:12 GMT
If he wants to be nearer home there is nothing we can do about it
Club offered a deal, he turned it down. Better to not have someone who does not want to be here at the beginning of the season with fresh faces and different positive ideas. Good luck to him, enjoyed watching him and helped with promotion.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 3, 2024 20:42:11 GMT
For those saying we “had our pants pulled down” what did our options look like? Huddersfield had an earlier offer rejected and presumably came back with a best and final offer of £450k. I’d guess we sounded out other interested parties and their agents (Pompey and Birmingham widely reported and probably others?) to see if anyone was planning an offer - effectively trying to start a bidding war. Once it was clear there were no other offers at this time we had a few options, 1) Accept the offer which allows MT time to continue his squad rebuild bearing in mind preseason has already started and the season is little over a month away. 2) Call Huddersfield’s bluff, reject the offer and play a waiting game hoping someone offers more as the transfer deadline approaches, thus making MT’s planning in limbo. 3) Reject the offer outright and keep a player who we never paid a fee for but lose him at the end of the season on a free. Personally, I think £450k was a bit light and was hoping for nearer £750k+. I think he’s one of the best two or three in his position in league one but at the end of the day he’s only worth what someone is willing to pay and at least we are avoiding a drawn out saga that will harm our preparation. I’d love to know what others on here would have done to get us a higher fee?
Your summary of our position is spot on eric. I think he’s a very good player but I’m not sure he’s worth the £750k+ you’ve suggested and ultimately, as you’ve said, he’s only worth what someone is prepared to pay. If the money is put into team building we could be stronger at the end of the window. But, it’s a big ‘if’ as ever. Fingers crossed. 🤞🏽 UTG! |
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Post by yetigas on Jul 3, 2024 20:44:36 GMT
I thought AE was overrated. The number of times he gave the ball away in good attacking positions was infuriating. Very inconsistent. He is not in the same class as our best midfield players of old like David Williams, Wayne Jones and the Latvian. 450,000 sounds reasonable to me and if he wants a change of scenery then good luck to him and I wish him well.
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Post by Sir Trevor on Jul 3, 2024 20:45:16 GMT
Some considerations:
(i) Is Antony Evans able and willing to sign an updated contract from BRFC beyond this season?
(ii) Does Antony Evans/his agent wish to remain a BRFC player beyond this season?
(iii) Have BRFC received concrete offers for Antony Evans that are NOT sizeable/acceptable?
(iv) Would Antony Evans be a fully committed player for BRFC in 2024/25 if he is not allowed to move now?
(v) Would BRFC obtain a higher fee for Antony Evans if he is sold at the end of the 2024/25 season?
There are other considerations in addition.
In this process there are significant variables and stakeholders.
Unless YES can definitely be answered to the key considerations a sale should be progressed.
A seller's worth is the price the prospective purchaser is prepared to pay.
The price of anything cannot easily be determined. It is an outcome of the process of negotiation.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 3, 2024 20:55:29 GMT
Some considerations: (i) Is Antony Evans able and willing to sign an updated contract from BRFC beyond this season? (ii) Does Antony Evans/his agent wish to remain a BRFC player beyond this season? (iii) Have BRFC received concrete offers for Antony Evans that are NOT sizeable/acceptable? (iv) Would Antony Evans be a fully committed player for BRFC in 2024/25 if he is not allowed to move now? (v) Would BRFC obtain a higher fee for Antony Evans if he is sold at the end of the 2024/25 season? There are other considerations in addition. In this process there are significant variables and stakeholders. Unless YES can definitely be answered to the key considerations a sale should be progressed. A seller's worth is the price the prospective purchaser is prepared to pay. The price of anything cannot easily be determined. It is an outcome of the process of negotiation. I guess the question nobody can answer is whether we've been too quick to accept an offer, I'm not sure if this is already a done deal, if not, then perhaps the club are alerting Huddersfield's rivals that a fee has agreed and they need to move fast if they want to make any better offers? Although what's the betting if Huddersfield now put out of the deal the same posters saying £450K isn't enough will then be saying the club were negligent in not accepting the offer! |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 3, 2024 21:02:05 GMT
I guess if he’s worth more and as much as some think he is then the other clubs interested in him could come back in. There appears to be plenty of gazumping going on in League 1 so if he is worth more we will find out. If they don’t come back in then we’ll know that MT/GF/ BRFC know more than Gaschat !
UTG!
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Post by percy on Jul 3, 2024 21:07:13 GMT
What if Dan got the figure wrong 🤣
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 3, 2024 21:10:19 GMT
Some considerations: (i) Is Antony Evans able and willing to sign an updated contract from BRFC beyond this season? (ii) Does Antony Evans/his agent wish to remain a BRFC player beyond this season? (iii) Have BRFC received concrete offers for Antony Evans that are NOT sizeable/acceptable? (iv) Would Antony Evans be a fully committed player for BRFC in 2024/25 if he is not allowed to move now? (v) Would BRFC obtain a higher fee for Antony Evans if he is sold at the end of the 2024/25 season? There are other considerations in addition. In this process there are significant variables and stakeholders. Unless YES can definitely be answered to the key considerations a sale should be progressed. A seller's worth is the price the prospective purchaser is prepared to pay. The price of anything cannot easily be determined. It is an outcome of the process of negotiation. I guess the question nobody can answer is whether we've been too quick to accept an offer, I'm not sure if this is already a done deal, if not, then perhaps the club are alerting Huddersfield's rivals that a fee has agreed and they need to move fast if they want to make any better offers? Although what's the betting if Huddersfield now put out of the deal the same posters saying £450K isn't enough will then be saying the club were negligent in not accepting the offer! Good points. Have we been too quick? Wasnt Pompey’s interest known 4/5 weeks ago? So there may well have been talks going on during that time that we were unaware about and no one was going above that has been accepted (if it has.) This window some of our signings have been very quick and unknown until they happened. It may have been similar with this deal. Perhaps rumours and leaks under the current regime have been kept quiet. UTG! |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 3, 2024 21:27:57 GMT
I guess the question nobody can answer is whether we've been too quick to accept an offer, I'm not sure if this is already a done deal, if not, then perhaps the club are alerting Huddersfield's rivals that a fee has agreed and they need to move fast if they want to make any better offers? Although what's the betting if Huddersfield now put out of the deal the same posters saying £450K isn't enough will then be saying the club were negligent in not accepting the offer! Good points. Have we been too quick? Wasnt Pompey’s interest known 4/5 weeks ago? So there may well have been talks going on during that time that we were unaware about and no one was going above that has been accepted (if it has.) This window some of our signings have been very quick and unknown until they happened. It may have been similar with this deal. Perhaps rumours and leaks under the current regime have been kept quiet. UTG! Or AE said he only wanted a move nearer to Liverpool so that took Pompey out of the equation? Portsmouth to Liverpool is a hell of car drive if he needed to do that once or twice a week, Huddersfield to Liverpool just a quick drive along the M62. |
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jul 3, 2024 21:32:27 GMT
Wish him the best ~ a new era begins 🤗🤗🤗🤗💙utg
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Post by timsburygas on Jul 3, 2024 21:35:47 GMT
Don’t really know what people expect, Evans had a good spell with us,but he wasn’t a brilliant stand out performer, he often looked good in bang average league one side, he didn’t set the world on fire and was poor at times and he wouldn’t make my top 20 best midfielders to play for us. Opta had him in the top 20 performing League One players last season. Is that the same Opta stats that say Jevani Brown created more chances and had more assists than Evans. |
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Post by kentgas on Jul 3, 2024 21:41:31 GMT
None of us object to selling him, but the offer itself is poor For £450,000 what can we get for that? Not a lot and definitely not anyone to replace him like for like Our starting, non negotiable stance should have been much firmer. Anyway. If he is off I wish him well Always gave it all for the shirt and a glimmer of light in a relatively poor midfield last season UTG Sure Walsall fans thought the same when we triggered Isaac Hutchinson’s release clause. An unknown fee but a lot less than they thought he was worth. |
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Post by pirate on Jul 3, 2024 21:44:32 GMT
Opta had him in the top 20 performing League One players last season. Is that the same Opta stats that say Jevani Brown created more chances and had more assists than Evans. Ummm no, it isn't. They have Evans creating more assists and more than double the amount of chances. And Brown rated 233rd best, to Evans 20th. |
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Post by pirate on Jul 3, 2024 21:45:37 GMT
What if Dan got the figure wrong 🤣 £350k instead of £450k? 🤣 |
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Post by daniel300380 on Jul 3, 2024 21:54:34 GMT
Is that the same Opta stats that say Jevani Brown created more chances and had more assists than Evans. Ummm no, it isn't. They have Evans creating more assists and more than double the amount of chances. And Brown rated 233rd best, to Evans 20th. Opta will only pick up the good technical points. His defensive positioning is awful, when the going gets tough, he doesn't show the the ball. Yes, when he's got time and space he can pick out a pass, that's the type of player that looks good on opta. No way, was he a top 20 player last season. |
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Post by TAGas on Jul 3, 2024 21:54:41 GMT
I initially said £600-£750k for Evans
But now thinking about it, 450k for a player that's wants to leave, maybe getting 3/4 year deal with higher wages, closer to his home, Mrs and his mate Aaron Collins.
We'll be moaning if he left of deadline day for £600k and no time to spend the money.
It could be, that we're waiting to buy another player but need the Evans money to purchase the said player before it's too late and somebody else does. Could be lower price for quick sell.
All hypothetical and my opinion of course
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Post by pirate on Jul 3, 2024 22:21:57 GMT
Ummm no, it isn't. They have Evans creating more assists and more than double the amount of chances. And Brown rated 233rd best, to Evans 20th. Opta will only pick up the good technical points. His defensive positioning is awful, when the going gets tough, he doesn't show the the ball. Yes, when he's got time and space he can pick out a pass, that's the type of player that looks good on opta. No way, was he a top 20 player last season. As well as having him 6th for Chances Created and 3rd best for xA Expected Assists, they also have his in the top 89% percentile ranking in his position for Defensive Actions (tackles, interceptions, clearances and blocks). An outstanding individual season 👏 |
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