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Post by yattongas on Jul 3, 2024 22:32:07 GMT
Opta will only pick up the good technical points. His defensive positioning is awful, when the going gets tough, he doesn't show the the ball. Yes, when he's got time and space he can pick out a pass, that's the type of player that looks good on opta. No way, was he a top 20 player last season. As well as having him 6th for Chances Created and 3rd best for xA Expected Assists, they also have his in the top 89% percentile ranking in his position for Defensive Actions (tackles, interceptions, clearances and blocks). An outstanding individual season 👏 Ok pirate …… name your price for him at this stage ? |
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Post by pirate on Jul 3, 2024 22:43:04 GMT
As well as having him 6th for Chances Created and 3rd best for xA Expected Assists, they also have his in the top 89% percentile ranking in his position for Defensive Actions (tackles, interceptions, clearances and blocks). An outstanding individual season 👏 Ok pirate …… name your price for him at this stage ? £750k fee would probably be acceptable. 10% sell-on. 150k add-on for promotion. 100k add-on for staying in Champ if promoted. Various minor add-ons for goals, assists etc. |
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Post by willytopp84 on Jul 3, 2024 23:26:16 GMT
Just really hope we get to reinvest the money right away! We need another 4/5 in to mount any kind of top 10 push.
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Post by RD on Jul 4, 2024 5:04:06 GMT
It's definitely not going to be £450k. There will be nailed on additional clauses like top half finish £X, goals £X, assists £X and then some ones we can be hopeful of like promotion £X. I'll be absolutely amazed if we pick up less than £600-£700k which is probably a fair deal.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jul 4, 2024 5:19:47 GMT
Opta will only pick up the good technical points. His defensive positioning is awful, when the going gets tough, he doesn't show the the ball. Yes, when he's got time and space he can pick out a pass, that's the type of player that looks good on opta. No way, was he a top 20 player last season. As well as having him 6th for Chances Created and 3rd best for xA Expected Assists, they also have his in the top 89% percentile ranking in his position for Defensive Actions (tackles, interceptions, clearances and blocks). An outstanding individual season 👏 When he made just over a tackle a game and less than 1 interception a game! So either that's wrong, or that didn't do most of the players🤣. That's shocking stats for somebody who played in midfield for most of the season. |
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Post by William Wilson on Jul 4, 2024 5:55:52 GMT
I thought AE was overrated. The number of times he gave the ball away in good attacking positions was infuriating. Spot on. Given time in midfield, he could pick out a decent pass. In a one on one situation with an opposing midfielder, I always felt he`d come out second best, and our attack would quickly become their attack. |
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Post by 1950gas on Jul 4, 2024 6:06:29 GMT
I thought AE was overrated. The number of times he gave the ball away in good attacking positions was infuriating. Spot on. Given time in midfield, he could pick out a decent pass. In a one on one situation with an opposing midfielder, I always felt he`d come out second best, and our attack would quickly become their attack. Liked him in the starting 11. Always put in for 90mins. Definitely part of the scouse experiment which in all honestly miserably failed based on last seasons disappointment. 50/50 on staying or going and if we get 500k offer then snap their hand off and take it. We need players who want to stay and push on and I don’t think he’s in that category. Hopefully a good striker or 2 would be great. Whoever gets evens we can offer a free gift in the sale namely Brown. UTG Stoney |
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Post by pirate on Jul 4, 2024 6:24:53 GMT
As well as having him 6th for Chances Created and 3rd best for xA Expected Assists, they also have his in the top 89% percentile ranking in his position for Defensive Actions (tackles, interceptions, clearances and blocks). An outstanding individual season 👏 When he made just over a tackle a game and less than 1 interception a game! So either that's wrong, or that didn't do most of the players🤣. That's shocking stats for somebody who played in midfield for most of the season. You what?!?!? 😆 Evo basically had the same per game Tackles Won (1.38) as a highly-rated defensive midfielder like Erhan Erhahon (1.48), but Evo had the higher tackle win percentage of 61.2%, compared to Erhahon's 58.9%. Evo also with more Duels Won, more Aerial Duels won and Possession Won Final 3rd than Erhahon. Evo's Tackles Won per game, Tackles Won %, Duels Won, Aerial Duels Won and Interceptions per game, is also better than someone like promoted Cameron Brannagan 🤣 An outstanding season from Antony Evans 👏 |
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Post by worralforengland on Jul 4, 2024 6:43:56 GMT
There’s no doubt Evans had a good season overall last season whatever the stats say. But he would still go missing in some games and get bullied at times. In our 1st season back in league one he was bang average and was t even an automatic starter. A fee of 600kish (if that’s what it ultimately rises to) wouldn’t be bad business in my book - as long GF and MT invest it wisely.
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Post by madgas on Jul 4, 2024 6:53:50 GMT
Great player at this level.
I think the only "doubt" is whether he's a CAM or a CM. Doesn't score many "easy CAM" goals. The ones where a player breaks into the box and adds as an additional striker. In the main shots from distance/ pens. For a "bigger" club at the top end of the pitch he'll need to break into the box more often.
But overall pure class and I wish him well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2024 7:26:10 GMT
Personally I think £450k is crazy to accept .... I had hoped for £600k.
BUT ... If the money will be paid in one lump sum on completion of the deal and there are proper add ons then it could work out nicely. MT and GF could then use it appropriately in this window.
We have still not received the full payment from Bolton for AC and yet Bolton are allowed to carry on in the transfer market - We agreed instalments apparently we were that desperate for the money!!
Actually think Hutchison will prove to be an incredible purchase and will be better than AE.
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Post by tbonegas on Jul 4, 2024 7:39:25 GMT
He will probably end up being a benchwarmer.
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Post by albaron on Jul 4, 2024 8:07:25 GMT
Maybe Birmingham City will outbid Huddersfield ?
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Post by SleepyGas on Jul 4, 2024 8:27:08 GMT
Absolutely It’s a poor offer He’s our player for another year Tell him to get us firing and if a big offer comes in Jan we will consider. All this defeatist attitude is why our pants keep getting pulled. UTG Absolutely, the mindset "we always sell players for little or nothing in last year of their contract" drives me mad. Let's just keep selling players on the cheap then. Is the alternative to hold on to them (when they don't want to be there) and let them go for nothing when their contract expires? Cracking business acumen that |
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Post by daniel300380 on Jul 4, 2024 8:27:16 GMT
When he made just over a tackle a game and less than 1 interception a game! So either that's wrong, or that didn't do most of the players🤣. That's shocking stats for somebody who played in midfield for most of the season. You what?!?!? 😆 Evo basically had the same per game Tackles Won (1.38) as a highly-rated defensive midfielder like Erhan Erhahon (1.48), but Evo had the higher tackle win percentage of 61.2%, compared to Erhahon's 58.9%. Evo also with more Duels Won, more Aerial Duels won and Possession Won Final 3rd than Erhahon. Evo's Tackles Won per game, Tackles Won %, Duels Won, Aerial Duels Won and Interceptions per game, is also better than someone like promoted Cameron Brannagan 🤣 An outstanding season from Antony Evans 👏 Do you just use stats when they suit you?? Brown and Marquis were not far off Evans on attacking contributions and all 3 have higher than Martin. Did we let the wrong player go? Why do clubs pay for scouts, when they can just look at opta 🤣. You can't just judge a player from those stats. We all know Evans was our best player for the majority of the season. But defensively he still needs to work on his game, even if he made 1.36 tackles per game 🤣. A lot of poor defensive players actually make a few more tackles. They gamble more, sometimes it pays off, but other times they sell them selves and leave the team short at the back. So they will have good tackling stats, but bad dribbled past stats etc. I've worked with and seen some good players that don't tackle. As they take up good positions making the team compact and the opposition don't even attempt to play the ball through that area of the pitch. They will go back, to the side or play long to bypass the player. Where are your stats you show this? Stats don't show the full picture. They are to be used with what we see with our eyes. |
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Post by mj on Jul 4, 2024 8:42:16 GMT
A premier League chief scout once said to me forget videos and stats.Before you buy watch him on a cold wet night at accrington when he hasnt got the ball.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jul 4, 2024 8:42:25 GMT
You what?!?!? 😆 Evo basically had the same per game Tackles Won (1.38) as a highly-rated defensive midfielder like Erhan Erhahon (1.48), but Evo had the higher tackle win percentage of 61.2%, compared to Erhahon's 58.9%. Evo also with more Duels Won, more Aerial Duels won and Possession Won Final 3rd than Erhahon. Evo's Tackles Won per game, Tackles Won %, Duels Won, Aerial Duels Won and Interceptions per game, is also better than someone like promoted Cameron Brannagan 🤣 An outstanding season from Antony Evans 👏 Do you just use stats when they suit you?? Brown and Marquis were not far off Evans on attacking contributions and all 3 have higher than Martin. Did we let the wrong player go? Why do clubs pay for scouts, when they can just look at opta 🤣. You can't just judge a player from those stats. We all know Evans was our best player for the majority of the season. But defensively he still needs to work on his game, even if he made 1.36 tackles per game 🤣. A lot of poor defensive players actually make a few more tackles. They gamble more, sometimes it pays off, but other times they sell them selves and leave the team short at the back. So they will have good tackling stats, but bad dribbled past stats etc. I've worked with and seen some good players that don't tackle. As they take up good positions making the team compact and the opposition don't even attempt to play the ball through that area of the pitch. They will go back, to the side or play long to bypass the player. Where are your stats you show this? Stats don't show the full picture. They are to be used with what we see with our eyes. My eyes tell me that Evans has consistently been our most creative player over the last three years. He’s the one looking to make things happening and by far the most likely to find the killer pass. Add decent free kick delivery and his determination to add the required grit to his game to play as a CM when required, and you have an outstanding player at this level. I’m gutted he’s going and agree with most, that £450K is far too low. The only plus in all this is that if he goes early in the window there is perhaps less distraction but then again, he doesn’t strike me as the type to be a disruptive influence. |
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Post by GasAttacK on Jul 4, 2024 8:55:25 GMT
There is no doubting Evan's ability, the stats speak for themselves. He's also still quite young so could continue to improve over the next 2 or 3 years. Like most on here I was hoping for £600k+.
However, if he made it clear he wanted to leave, we weren't in a particularly strong position.
We could have rejected the offer in the hope Huddersfield or some other team came back with a higher bid, but in the meantime we could miss out on players we wanted to sign with the Evan's Money. Of course there's also the possibility that no better offers come in, meaning we're left with a player who doesn't want to be here, who'll either leave for a knockdown price in January, or for nothing next summer.
We also don't know exactly what add-ons are included in the deal. It could be that some are almost certain to be triggered, meaning we could end of with the £600k+ we were hoping for.
Evan's looked certain to leave, so I'm more concerned about how we spend the Collin's / Evan's money and the quality of incoming players who want to wear the quarters this season.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jul 4, 2024 8:56:50 GMT
Do you just use stats when they suit you?? Brown and Marquis were not far off Evans on attacking contributions and all 3 have higher than Martin. Did we let the wrong player go? Why do clubs pay for scouts, when they can just look at opta 🤣. You can't just judge a player from those stats. We all know Evans was our best player for the majority of the season. But defensively he still needs to work on his game, even if he made 1.36 tackles per game 🤣. A lot of poor defensive players actually make a few more tackles. They gamble more, sometimes it pays off, but other times they sell them selves and leave the team short at the back. So they will have good tackling stats, but bad dribbled past stats etc. I've worked with and seen some good players that don't tackle. As they take up good positions making the team compact and the opposition don't even attempt to play the ball through that area of the pitch. They will go back, to the side or play long to bypass the player. Where are your stats you show this? Stats don't show the full picture. They are to be used with what we see with our eyes. My eyes tell me that Evans has consistently been our most creative player over the last three years. He’s the one looking to make things happening and by far the most likely to find the killer pass. Add decent free kick delivery and his determination to add the required grit to his game to play as a CM when required, and you have an outstanding player at this level. I’m gutted he’s going and agree with most, that £450K is far too low. The only plus in all this is that if he goes early in the window there is perhaps less distraction but then again, he doesn’t strike me as the type to be a disruptive influence. I wouldn't say consistently for 3 years. He struggled during the first season in League 1, last season he wasn't as effective towards the end of the season as well. Last season wasn't his fault though, didn't have anyone running in behind and the other teams could get tighter to him as they knew he couldn't play an early pass forward. I would have liked more, but I'm not sure clubs would pay much more upfront for a player that is nearly 26 and hasn't fully proved himself consistently at this level. For all we know, the deal could double if they get promoted, or if he starts a number of games. So if he proves his worth, like we think he can, we could get a lot more. Dan said there would be a lot of add ons. Maybe we think a lot of the add ons are easily achievable so factored that in. If anything I heard that we nearly lost out on Conteh, as the new owners son was trying to okay hard ball too much. I'm glad we are getting it done early, so Taylor and friend know the situation and can work on finishing the squad. |
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Post by eric on Jul 4, 2024 9:54:40 GMT
Do you just use stats when they suit you?? Brown and Marquis were not far off Evans on attacking contributions and all 3 have higher than Martin. Did we let the wrong player go? Why do clubs pay for scouts, when they can just look at opta 🤣. You can't just judge a player from those stats. We all know Evans was our best player for the majority of the season. But defensively he still needs to work on his game, even if he made 1.36 tackles per game 🤣. A lot of poor defensive players actually make a few more tackles. They gamble more, sometimes it pays off, but other times they sell them selves and leave the team short at the back. So they will have good tackling stats, but bad dribbled past stats etc. I've worked with and seen some good players that don't tackle. As they take up good positions making the team compact and the opposition don't even attempt to play the ball through that area of the pitch. They will go back, to the side or play long to bypass the player. Where are your stats you show this? Stats don't show the full picture. They are to be used with what we see with our eyes. My eyes tell me that Evans has consistently been our most creative player over the last three years. He’s the one looking to make things happening and by far the most likely to find the killer pass. Add decent free kick delivery and his determination to add the required grit to his game to play as a CM when required, and you have an outstanding player at this level. I’m gutted he’s going and agree with most, that £450K is far too low. The only plus in all this is that if he goes early in the window there is perhaps less distraction but then again, he doesn’t strike me as the type to be a disruptive influence. Totally agree. He will be massively missed and in a better league one team I expect him to have a standout season and be in the league one team of the year |
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