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Post by bigtgas on Jul 24, 2024 19:51:28 GMT
Part of me wants them to fail, part of me wants them and their large transfer budget out of this league. A lot of their fans are being arrogant on social media, when really they should be embarrassed to even be in the 3rd tier. Blues fans are mostly a nasty bunch, similar to 82'ers, whereas Villa tended to attract the Rovers type fans. The South Stand could be interesting when we play them!! Really I remember getting chased off the Holt end at a cup replay back in 1970 |
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Jul 24, 2024 20:07:14 GMT
Brentford have demonstrated what is possible through smart thinking and a fairly innovative approach in numerous areas and out thinking opponents, rather than out spending them. Lee Dykes, the club’s current Technical Director, who has been there since 2019 after joining from Bury, previously said: “Matthew [Benham, owner] will tell you himself that we never want to be in a position where we have to outspend our competitors – we out think them. That’s why it’s such an innovative club and everything recruitment wise is geared towards that philosophy.” Are we trying to follow a similar approach? Up to 2021, the average age at which players were signed at Brentford in total since the 14/15 season averaged about 23-years-old. This season our signings average age is 23.3. Even with this process there was still a significant sum of money involved. A family friend had a share of Brentford which he sold. Owner did say, yes we will spend less than others but until we get to the premiership it is a risk, less risky than others but still a significant amount of money. |
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Post by haddock_n_chips on Jul 24, 2024 20:47:32 GMT
It's not just the transfer kitty though.
Birmingham are paying stupendous wages.
I know Alfie May was set to go to Huddersfield, his home club, pretty much signed on the dotted line for £12k a week.
Birmingham swooped in and his agent cheekily said he wanted £15k a week and they agreed!
(I can't name the source of this but it was a player who shares the same agent)
Thing is like others have said, it's not an easy division to get out of. Spending umpteen millions doesn't guarantee promotion.
It's going to be an interesting season with some big clubs coming down, big spenders coming up and a few teams already in the division with new investment.
For what it's worth, we (Rovers) are also considered "wealthy" and big spenders amongst fellow club owners & players. Even with what looks like a scaled back budget this season, the word out there is we've got some serious dosh for this level.
And yes I fully expect the bullsh*t name your sources etc... 🤣
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 24, 2024 20:59:07 GMT
We may have scaled back the playing budget but have spent £1m+ on transfer fees, which seems to put us well inside the top 6 of transfer spends at the moment. Whilst Wrexham may pay big wages they've spent little on transfer fees so far this summer, I do wonder if they are running out of steam, spending wise.
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on Jul 24, 2024 21:02:29 GMT
I know in recent years big teams have come down and thought they’d walked the league.
Sunderland
Sheff Wednesday
Ipswich
Bolton
Leeds
And they’ve all spent a few years here. But the money Birmingham has spent is like nothing I’ve seen before. This would be the biggest fail of them all if they don’t win promotion.
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Jul 24, 2024 21:45:03 GMT
If Birmingham fail, it will only be due to them not getting that first or second spot. If they finish third it'll be the lottery of the play offs. Huddersfield, Birmingham and Rotherham will be top 6. Add to that Bolton, Barnsley and Peterborough who know the league, it's going to be very tough to get out of it! I think it will be like two leagues this season, you'll have a top 8 scrapping it out, miles ahead of everyone else, then the rest of us trying to finish as high as possible.
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Post by pirate on Jul 24, 2024 21:46:41 GMT
Brentford have demonstrated what is possible through smart thinking and a fairly innovative approach in numerous areas and out thinking opponents, rather than out spending them. Lee Dykes, the club’s current Technical Director, who has been there since 2019 after joining from Bury, previously said: “Matthew [Benham, owner] will tell you himself that we never want to be in a position where we have to outspend our competitors – we out think them. That’s why it’s such an innovative club and everything recruitment wise is geared towards that philosophy.” Are we trying to follow a similar approach? Up to 2021, the average age at which players were signed at Brentford in total since the 14/15 season averaged about 23-years-old. This season our signings average age is 23.3. Even with this process there was still a significant sum of money involved. A family friend had a share of Brentford which he sold. Owner did say, yes we will spend less than others but until we get to the premiership it is a risk, less risky than others but still a significant amount of money. Brentford spent 7 seasons in the Championship at Griffin Park on crowds averaging about 10,300 and then won promotion to the Premier League, despite having the fourth-lowest playing budget in the Championship, above only Preston, Rotherham and Burton. The new stadium cost just over £70m and over the previous five years to the stadium being built the club had sold players for a combined value of £150m. |
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Post by Gaswood on Jul 24, 2024 22:59:15 GMT
We went down a similar route with BG then Wael panicked when it looked like we might get dragged into a relegation fight, it's OK signing kids but you also need wise heads in the team like TC to school them, I'm not sure if Wilson and Martin are wise heads or both hot heads, plus a decent manager and I haven't a clue if MT's really going to do any better than BG. I'm not sure paying £500K on PC is finding under developed talent to sell on, as we'll have to go some to get a profit from any future sale. Who is PC? Not Omichere presumably? I’m confused, sorry!!! |
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Post by mariobalotelli on Jul 24, 2024 23:14:21 GMT
Rumoured to be after Stansfield for 6M too…
Not the biggest club to be down here. Certainly making the biggest effort to get out at first attempt
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Jul 24, 2024 23:17:34 GMT
Even with this process there was still a significant sum of money involved. A family friend had a share of Brentford which he sold. Owner did say, yes we will spend less than others but until we get to the premiership it is a risk, less risky than others but still a significant amount of money. Brentford spent 7 seasons in the Championship at Griffin Park on crowds averaging about 10,300 and then won promotion to the Premier League, despite having the fourth-lowest playing budget in the Championship, above only Preston, Rotherham and Burton. The new stadium cost just over £70m and over the previous five years to the stadium being built the club had sold players for a combined value of £150m. I'm not disputing the figures. Just quoting what the owner said at the time. Still had to put a few quid in to start and the premiership guaranteed a return. The rest was good business but was never risk free |
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Post by phillistine on Jul 25, 2024 3:25:51 GMT
I am not saying that Birmingham will not do well because I believe that they will. They have not prepared as well as Huddersfield however to win this League as Huddersfield have in that they have not gone for players who know what is required to win in League 1 .Brum may have the more talented and skilful players but t6ey are going to be met by defence minded teams who play a good block - for whom a draw will be a good result . St Andrews will be like Wembley for us all and I am not sure the blues will be as ready as they think they are . Beating a Rangers side who come out to attack them with an Alfie May goal on the break is not the same as defeating a Wycombe side who are intent on just keeping the point that the come with. I believe that the Gas will not attempt to take these sides on a the beautiful game as J B was determined to do but will defend , contain , crowd out and hit them in the break. My only concern for us is whether we have the right goalie and enough know how in the team to be consistent in this first season. Give them 12 months under their belt however …
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Post by gasify on Jul 25, 2024 6:03:56 GMT
We may have scaled back the playing budget but have spent £1m+ on transfer fees, which seems to put us well inside the top 6 of transfer spends at the moment. Whilst Wrexham may pay big wages they've spent little on transfer fees so far this summer, I do wonder if they are running out of steam, spending wise. Over a 4 year period, which do you think is more? The wages being paid by teams like Wrexham vs the transfer fee and wages paid by us? |
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Post by percy on Jul 25, 2024 6:46:59 GMT
We may have scaled back the playing budget but have spent £1m+ on transfer fees, which seems to put us well inside the top 6 of transfer spends at the moment. Whilst Wrexham may pay big wages they've spent little on transfer fees so far this summer, I do wonder if they are running out of steam, spending wise. but we are £1.4m revenue on sales from last seasons squad. So still down/up on last season. Not sure Wrexham have sold anyone, but will be paying huge wages for the likes of the Arsenal keeper they signed |
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Post by chewbacca on Jul 25, 2024 8:32:38 GMT
Birmingham City signings C. Klarer. 20 JUL 2024. Transfer. 4,0M.€ Alex Cochrane. 16 JUL 2024. Transfer. 1,2M.€ E. Hansson. 05 JUL 2024. Transfer. 1,8M.€ A. May. 02 JUL 2024. Transfer. 0,9M.€ B. Mayo. 01 JUL 2024. Free transfer. B. Peacock-Farrell. 01 JUL 2024. Transfer. 0,5M.€ Ryan Allsop. 01 JUL 2024. Transfer. 1,0M.€ Latest one is Willum Thór Willumsson - £3.4m ”Willum Willumson sounds daft love, we can’t name him that” “What about having Thór as a middle name?” “Perfect!” |
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Post by badengas on Jul 25, 2024 9:14:03 GMT
Rumoured to be after Stansfield for 6M too… Not the biggest club to be down here. Certainly making the biggest effort to get out at first attempt That's a lot of money for a 90's singer as a half time show. Although, she's been all round the world apparently. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jul 25, 2024 9:57:02 GMT
Always had a soft spot for brum, being the smaller blue team in a two team city, but given there charmless owners and the whole Rooney debacle I really hope bunging the cash around backfires massively on them Part of me wants them to fail, part of me wants them and their large transfer budget out of this league. A lot of their fans are being arrogant on social media, when really they should be embarrassed to even be in the 3rd tier. Me too. Exactly as I wanted them to fail last season after sacking John Eustace who had them sat 5th for a name in Wayne Rooney which backfired beautifully. I also have a soft spot for Aston Villa as my bro in law supports them and we watch them occasionally and they obviously hate the Brum. |
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Post by warwickgas on Jul 25, 2024 12:29:33 GMT
Well, Ive moved back down here and live in Weston after 30 years among Brummies. Brother in law lives here and is what they call a Bluenose so I’ll be taking him to the Mem when we play them at home. The relationship between Bluenoses and Villans is as toxic as ours with the Sh*t. I only hope we can get a result as my life will br unbearable for a while!
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Post by percy on Jul 25, 2024 12:58:25 GMT
I think the fact they are called "bluenoses" is one of the things I dislike most about them!
Along with Wigan welcoming every new signing as a "Tic", it easily the worst club nickname (thats not just "reds" etc)
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Post by holmesgas1 on Jul 25, 2024 16:02:09 GMT
We went down a similar route with BG then Wael panicked when it looked like we might get dragged into a relegation fight, it's OK signing kids but you also need wise heads in the team like TC to school them, I'm not sure if Wilson and Martin are wise heads or both hot heads, plus a decent manager and I haven't a clue if MT's really going to do any better than BG. I'm not sure paying £500K on PC is finding under developed talent to sell on, as we'll have to go some to get a profit from any future sale. Not sure, I agree on the PC comment. Yes major risk, but if they can make him in to quality league 1 striker in the next 2 seasons, there’s no reason at 25, why you could not get 1 to 2 million for him. Just look at Peterborough. Probability of it happening only GF and Taylor knows. |
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Post by aghast on Jul 25, 2024 16:59:30 GMT
Rumoured to be after Stansfield for 6M too… Not the biggest club to be down here. Certainly making the biggest effort to get out at first attempt That's a lot of money for a 90's singer as a half time show. Although, she's been all round the world apparently. All that effort and she still can't find her baby. Totally irresponsible of her to lose it. |
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