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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 24, 2024 19:24:46 GMT
11 goal-less games in the last 14 games, on top of setting the record last season of the longest run of games without a win, suggests MT never learns anything from any games. Pointless harping on about last season. He obviously learned from that, otherwise we had have the same squad now. 2 of our 3 strikers have missed pre season and the other isn't fit yet. So, it's way too early to judge as this stage. What did you expect, when we signed a lot of young players, on long term deals? This squad, was signed for their potential. So we were always going to suffer in the short term. 4 points is probably a point or 2 more than a lot of us thought we would have. We definitely need another striker, Taylor has already said that himself. Especially if we are playing 2 up top a lot of the time now. Martin's injury will force the issue. Three of the 14 games are this season's, last season the excuse he gave was that the players didn't want to play for him (which always seemed odd for pro players anyway) what's the excuse for this season? What's a striker really going to do when in 180 minutes of football we've created two decent chances, McM's last weeks and Sinclair's today, from memory both of those were balls over the top rather than wing play. I've just watched the highlights and three of Stockport's best chances, including their goal, came from Horsfield(?) being totally unmarked at the far post, who hard is it to know what he does and so put a defender on him to stop him getting free? |
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Post by wallywalters on Aug 24, 2024 19:40:39 GMT
There is, without doubt a safety first mentality that’s instilled in the side. That’s clear from the 3 games so far. Zero risk means defenders not taking the ball form the goalkeeper and when they do, not really making much effort to play into midfielders and instead taking the low risk option of going straight into the forwards. We can moan all we like about midfielders not having any impact or not creating but if defenders miss them lit they can’t build attacks…..if you go straight into the centre forward and he can’t hold onto it and link play then midfield players have no opportunity or time to make runs to join in and support. They’re basically always caught in transition of being in possession and then out of possession before they have time to find space and retain the ball long enough to create. The creative players we have are in essence Thomas and Hutchinson. Both are being starved of possession, Thomas by having too much defensive responsibility and being stuck too deep and too wide with focus on stopping their left sided players rather than attacking and Hutchinson by not being given the ball in space quick enough and again by being too deep having defensive responsibility as were being overrun. We look like a team that have had no instruction or work done on in possession stuff and have been drilled to the extreme on their out of possession shape and defensive responsibility. These two players need to be cut loose and given a bit more freedom. Both at capable at this level but are being starved by being in a side currently averaging about 35% possession and even today playing nearly 200 passes LESS than their opponents. There are some combinations and chemistries still to be worked out. Ward / Conteh / Hutchinson don’t seem the right mix, but maybe it’s not being helped by the Martin / Promise combination that looked lost today and neither looked fit. Martin was particularly unfit but Promise was particularly poor given his midweek rest. I think we need to be looking at a 4231 especially while we struggle for two fully fit forwards…..and now that Senior also seems crocked. Full backs as full backs. Wingers as wingers, Attacking players as attacking players…..simple things really…. I've never liked us playing 352. No matter who the manager was in charge of us we've never been able to play it to any degree of success. It's a negative formation and unless you have extremely good wingbacks you will always get overran in midfield and create very little. Plymouth got promoted playing it but they had the best full back I've ever seen at this level in Bali mumba who was like lightening and started the majority of their attacks. We don't have that. I wish to god Taylor hadn't recruited solely to play this formation. Barton tried it , failed with it then when we switched to 433 we stormed to promotion. Will Taylor swallow his pride and switch to a 4 though meaning we create far more attacking opportunities? I'm not so sure. |
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Post by igotgas on Aug 24, 2024 19:53:32 GMT
Agree entirely with the above ⬆️👏
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Post by boagas1883 on Aug 24, 2024 19:53:53 GMT
I watched some of it in the bar at Stapleton CC where I was umpiring.Truly dreadful.Not one of our players able to put a foot on the ball and pass to another of our players.Ball always in the air.
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Post by stapletongas on Aug 24, 2024 19:55:40 GMT
Pointless harping on about last season. He obviously learned from that, otherwise we had have the same squad now. 2 of our 3 strikers have missed pre season and the other isn't fit yet. So, it's way too early to judge as this stage. What did you expect, when we signed a lot of young players, on long term deals? This squad, was signed for their potential. So we were always going to suffer in the short term. 4 points is probably a point or 2 more than a lot of us thought we would have. We definitely need another striker, Taylor has already said that himself. Especially if we are playing 2 up top a lot of the time now. Martin's injury will force the issue. Three of the 14 games are this season's, last season the excuse he gave was that the players didn't want to play for him (which always seemed odd for pro players anyway) what's the excuse for this season? What's a striker really going to do when in 180 minutes of football we've created two decent chances, McM's last weeks and Sinclair's today, from memory both of those were balls over the top rather than wing play. I've just watched the highlights and three of Stockport's best chances, including their goal, came from Horsfield(?) being totally unmarked at the far post, who hard is it to know what he does and so put a defender on him to stop him getting free? So you the realist thinks that 3 matches in from overhauling the squad with 12 new players is going to have instant success? I’m a realist, in the real world the kind of changes made were necessary and this is a process. This is a new squad, a work in progress. The biggest problem in modern day football is the impatience of directors and fans who unrealistically expect the miracle of quick fixes. Building a new squad and taking a club in a different direction takes time. Anyone who can’t see that is not a realist. |
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Aug 24, 2024 20:18:52 GMT
You've got to love a gaschat meltdown, honestly some of the stuff on this thread you really couldn't make up.
14 new signings, a lot of them younger players brought with the future in mind and 3 games in after 1st league defeat suddenly half of them aren't good enough.
Do we need to improve in the final 3rd of course we do but let's not write off people like Omichere & Hutchinson before they've even settled
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Post by stapletongas on Aug 24, 2024 20:41:57 GMT
You've got to love a gaschat meltdown, honestly some of the stuff on this thread you really couldn't make up. 14 new signings, a lot of them younger players brought with the future in mind and 3 games in after 1st league defeat suddenly half of them aren't good enough. Do we need to improve in the final 3rd of course we do but let's not write off people like Omichere & Hutchinson before they've even settled There's always more people commenting when we lose than when we win. Some only post when we lose, almost as if they can't hack it what we win, probably ruins their weekend. |
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Post by gasheadontour on Aug 24, 2024 20:45:45 GMT
3 central defenders should mean the central midfielders have a bit more licence to get forwards but it seems more like a back 5 with Conte and Ward playing deep.
I would go with a back 4. Get JT further up the pitch.
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Post by madgas on Aug 24, 2024 20:50:23 GMT
I think the "fear" is that we haven't really found our way of cutting through. Oddly- we've looked a threat.
We sorta create chances but there's little pattern about our tactics. You can attack as we are- with a bit more luck you'll be ok. But good teams react to their team mates when they get in certain positions. We look like strangers approaching the oppositions box.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 24, 2024 20:53:46 GMT
You've got to love a gaschat meltdown, honestly some of the stuff on this thread you really couldn't make up. 14 new signings, a lot of them younger players brought with the future in mind and 3 games in after 1st league defeat suddenly half of them aren't good enough. Do we need to improve in the final 3rd of course we do but let's not write off people like Omichere & Hutchinson before they've even settled There's always more people commenting when we lose than when we win. Some only post when we lose, almost as if they can't hack it what we win, probably ruins their weekend. Going on then list all the posters who don't normally post who've posted in the last few hours since we lost. |
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Post by wsmjohn on Aug 24, 2024 21:18:17 GMT
Four letters, we need TIME to gell. It will get better. UTG
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Post by socrates on Aug 24, 2024 21:38:25 GMT
There is, without doubt a safety first mentality that’s instilled in the side. That’s clear from the 3 games so far. Zero risk means defenders not taking the ball form the goalkeeper and when they do, not really making much effort to play into midfielders and instead taking the low risk option of going straight into the forwards. We can moan all we like about midfielders not having any impact or not creating but if defenders miss them lit they can’t build attacks…..if you go straight into the centre forward and he can’t hold onto it and link play then midfield players have no opportunity or time to make runs to join in and support. They’re basically always caught in transition of being in possession and then out of possession before they have time to find space and retain the ball long enough to create. The creative players we have are in essence Thomas and Hutchinson. Both are being starved of possession, Thomas by having too much defensive responsibility and being stuck too deep and too wide with focus on stopping their left sided players rather than attacking and Hutchinson by not being given the ball in space quick enough and again by being too deep having defensive responsibility as were being overrun. We look like a team that have had no instruction or work done on in possession stuff and have been drilled to the extreme on their out of possession shape and defensive responsibility. These two players need to be cut loose and given a bit more freedom. Both at capable at this level but are being starved by being in a side currently averaging about 35% possession and even today playing nearly 200 passes LESS than their opponents. There are some combinations and chemistries still to be worked out. Ward / Conteh / Hutchinson don’t seem the right mix, but maybe it’s not being helped by the Martin / Promise combination that looked lost today and neither looked fit. Martin was particularly unfit but Promise was particularly poor given his midweek rest. I think we need to be looking at a 4231 especially while we struggle for two fully fit forwards…..and now that Senior also seems crocked. Full backs as full backs. Wingers as wingers, Attacking players as attacking players…..simple things really…. I've never liked us playing 352. No matter who the manager was in charge of us we've never been able to play it to any degree of success. It's a negative formation and unless you have extremely good wingbacks you will always get overran in midfield and create very little. Plymouth got promoted playing it but they had the best full back I've ever seen at this level in Bali mumba who was like lightening and started the majority of their attacks. We don't have that. I wish to god Taylor hadn't recruited solely to play this formation. Barton tried it , failed with it then when we switched to 433 we stormed to promotion. Will Taylor swallow his pride and switch to a 4 though meaning we create far more attacking opportunities? I'm not so sure. Yeah I’ve can’t remember us ever being successful playing 3 centre backs. I think under Holloway we did and we were mostly great to watch but even then we didn’t even make the play offs with some of the best players in the division. We have left backs and right backs in the squad and we have Thomas and bolongo who are clearly attacking players. Some formations we could play with Thomas and Bolongo further forwards are 4-3-3 442 4-2-3-1 4-3-1-2 Bolongo looked more of a striker in the 30 minutes he played up there v Northampton than Promise has in all the games he’s played. Yet looks very shakey as LWB. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 24, 2024 22:04:46 GMT
Pointless harping on about last season. He obviously learned from that, otherwise we had have the same squad now. 2 of our 3 strikers have missed pre season and the other isn't fit yet. So, it's way too early to judge as this stage. What did you expect, when we signed a lot of young players, on long term deals? This squad, was signed for their potential. So we were always going to suffer in the short term. 4 points is probably a point or 2 more than a lot of us thought we would have. We definitely need another striker, Taylor has already said that himself. Especially if we are playing 2 up top a lot of the time now. Martin's injury will force the issue. Three of the 14 games are this season's, last season the excuse he gave was that the players didn't want to play for him (which always seemed odd for pro players anyway) what's the excuse for this season? What's a striker really going to do when in 180 minutes of football we've created two decent chances, McM's last weeks and Sinclair's today, from memory both of those were balls over the top rather than wing play. I've just watched the highlights and three of Stockport's best chances, including their goal, came from Horsfield(?) being totally unmarked at the far post, who hard is it to know what he does and so put a defender on him to stop him getting free? Strikers won't get chances, if they are not fit, not moving the defenders and not creating space. Promise had a good chance to shoot or put a dangerous ball in, I'm not sure if it was a bad shot or just a ball into a dangerous area, but Martin was down injured at the time. Otherwise be probably would have had a tap in. On another occasion Promise won the header in the box, but Martin wasn't sharp enough to get onto it and it just went in front of him. We got a lot of the ball in the final third, but we were lacking the confidence and sharpness from matches. |
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Post by gastric on Aug 24, 2024 22:14:46 GMT
Yeah we lost and of course we're all a bit gutted, but it's very early days and from what I saw (IMO) we played pretty well, we're far from sh1t
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 24, 2024 22:17:51 GMT
The POV to which i am referring is this season with his own team which IMO is better than i thought it would be after three games but obviously a lot of room for improvements as the team gels, His answer at the moment seems to be to make changes but the more this is done the longer it will take to gel. IMO the biggest disappointment is that we havent really signed a recognised goalscorer. The last few days of this transfer deadline are very important IMO. MTs intervies have greatly improved compared to last season.
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Post by Kipper on Aug 25, 2024 5:26:34 GMT
With so many new players ar the club it is expected to start with a series of indifferent results. More than likely it will take around ten games or so before the team start to gel. Crikey, it is only three games into the new season. I suppose we have to take into account the upheaval for players moving to a new club and finding accommodation! If us fans remain patient I am sure things will work out fine. We must be realistic and realize footballers are not ‘supermen’.
UTG.
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Post by scfc73 on Aug 25, 2024 6:55:50 GMT
Greetings true Bristolians. County fan in peace. 1st thing, credit to your support. Great numbers for a game that was on t.v. horrible early k.o. & a fair old trek. It's one of the best things about being back in the football league, playing proper clubs with proper support. It helps to erase the memories of our days in the NLN playing teams like Brackley who once brought 7 fans.....& they all sat apart!  As for the game, I thought we looked a little bit sloppy & lethargic at times in the 1st half. You were hard to break down & largely nullified our attacking threat I was also worried we were going to do something stupid at the back & gift you a goal. Then Louie Barry does what Louie does best & scores a screamer, 3 in 3 for the lad now & all been great strikes, but up to that point I was hoping we could get to H.T. at 0-0 & that Dave Challinor would give our lot a bit of a kick up the backside. 2nd half I thought we were better & reasonably comfortable after getting the 2nd goal. We're not at full strength due to injuries at the moment but have signed some exciting players & when we got possession & got the ball on the floor I thought we were able to dictate the play far more than we did in the 1st half. You still had chances though & If your front men were just a little bit sharper I think we may have shipped a goal at least. I thought out of the three teams we've played so far in league 1 you were definitely a sterner test than Cambridge or Blackpool. I know it's hard to be positive after a defeat but you'll be o.k. a bit more precision up top & you'll get your fair share of wins. As for us, Still pinching myself at the start we've made. We're notoriously slow starters so this is highly unusual for us. Despite our recent upturn in fortune in the last few seasons being a County fan carries a sort of ingrained pessimism so I'm half expecting the wheels to fall off at any minute! but at the moment the table makes for pleasant reading from our perspective. Realistically though a lot of us would be more than happy with a top half finish/being in contention for the play offs. Best of luck for the rest of the season & looking forward to making the reverse trip to your place 👍 |
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Post by stapletongas on Aug 25, 2024 6:59:26 GMT
There's always more people commenting when we lose than when we win. Some only post when we lose, almost as if they can't hack it what we win, probably ruins their weekend. Going on then list all the posters who don't normally post who've posted in the last few hours since we lost. You just look at the list of pages on the match day thread. Win and it is always shorter. Lose and all the negative unrealistic keyboard warriors like you come out of your hole. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 25, 2024 7:14:08 GMT
Going on then list all the posters who don't normally post who've posted in the last few hours since we lost. You just look at the list of pages on the match day thread. Win and it is always shorter. Lose and all the negative unrealistic keyboard warriors like you come out of your hole. So zero proof certain posters only post when we lose, just losses generate more discussions. Not sure what's unrealistic about expecting a well supported L1 side to score the occasional away goal and pick up the odd away win. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 25, 2024 7:16:58 GMT
The POV to which i am referring is this season with his own team which IMO is better than i thought it would be after three games but obviously a lot of room for improvements as the team gels, His answer at the moment seems to be to make changes but the more this is done the longer it will take to gel. IMO the biggest disappointment is that we havent really signed a recognised goalscorer. The last few days of this transfer deadline are very important IMO. MTs intervies have greatly improved compared to last season. MT has spent £750K on two strikers, how much were you expecting the club to spend at the start of the season? At best we'll now get a young Coburn type striker, we're not going to spend another £500K on an Alfie May type signing. |
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