|
|
Post by aghast on Sept 8, 2024 16:15:21 GMT
I know nothing about these Starmer rumours and I can't help feeling I'm missing out......
|
|
yattongas
Forum Legend
Posts: 15,441 
Member is Online
|
Post by yattongas on Sept 8, 2024 16:23:57 GMT
I know nothing about these Starmer rumours and I can't help feeling I'm missing out...... Think you need to search out those weirdo rightwing sites to find that sort of stuff 🙄😂 |
|
stuart1974
Proper Gas
Posts: 12,538
Member is Online
|
Post by stuart1974 on Sept 8, 2024 16:32:27 GMT
Raynorgate? I'm still waiting to find out the real reason why Starmer didn't include his family in his campaign. 🤔 The rumours are still out there, another reason why I'm not convinced he will last a full term. His party is still divided and so it won't be long before someone tries to knife him in the back - whether they are successful depends who it is and how/when they try... Which are? |
|
|
|
Post by supergas on Sept 10, 2024 11:05:18 GMT
I know nothing about these Starmer rumours and I can't help feeling I'm missing out...... Think you need to search out those weirdo rightwing sites to find that sort of stuff 🙄😂 Mainstream media like the Times and the Telegraph hinted at it but clearly couldn't prove it (or potentially didn't want to publish it)... ....and I think I was clear in my pre-election posts - it is just rumour but there is no smoke without flames. When two senior journalists/biographers (Patrick Kidd from the Times and Lord Ashcroft) start publishing comments like: ...we can start to narrow it down. How many senior male Labour politicians are married with at least two children... |
|
stuart1974
Proper Gas
Posts: 12,538
Member is Online
|
Post by stuart1974 on Sept 10, 2024 12:10:44 GMT
Think you need to search out those weirdo rightwing sites to find that sort of stuff 🙄😂 Mainstream media like the Times and the Telegraph hinted at it but clearly couldn't prove it (or potentially didn't want to publish it)... ....and I think I was clear in my pre-election posts - it is just rumour but there is no smoke without flames. When two senior journalists/biographers (Patrick Kidd from the Times and Lord Ashcroft) start publishing comments like: ...we can start to narrow it down. How many senior male Labour politicians are married with at least two children... " no smoke without flames" - plenty of items out there such as dry ice or smoke dischargers in the army that create smoke. Usually designed to cause a distraction or hide things. Did those journalists have anything to say about Boris? |
|
yattongas
Forum Legend
Posts: 15,441
Member is Online
|
Post by yattongas on Sept 10, 2024 12:14:54 GMT
Think you need to search out those weirdo rightwing sites to find that sort of stuff 🙄😂 Mainstream media like the Times and the Telegraph hinted at it but clearly couldn't prove it (or potentially didn't want to publish it)... ....and I think I was clear in my pre-election posts - it is just rumour but there is no smoke without flames. When two senior journalists/biographers (Patrick Kidd from the Times and Lord Ashcroft) start publishing comments like: ...we can start to narrow it down. How many senior male Labour politicians are married with at least two children... Id guess quite a few ? Lots of Labour MPs now ! |
|
|
|
Post by aghast on Sept 10, 2024 16:03:12 GMT
I can't get too outraged about it. It's a personal family issue and Boris did far worse, as have multiple politicians over the years without resigning. It's not great at all for his family (if it's his), but it happens.
|
|
stuart1974
Proper Gas
Posts: 12,538
Member is Online
|
Post by stuart1974 on Sept 10, 2024 17:03:50 GMT
There's going to be a lot of tactical voting and horse trading throughout this process. If you are asking me to war game, then I reckon it'll look like this: Round 2 - Mel Stride will be eliminated. Round 3 - Tom Tugendhat will be eliminated. The one nation Tories will centre on James Cleverly. Round 4 - Close between them all, probably too close at this stage, but for the sake of debate I can see Badenoch losing on a tactical vote leaving Jenrick and Cleverly to go to the membership. If Badenoch makes the final two, she wins. Agree with final 2 but think Tugentwat will be next out "The Conservative leadership contest has been whittled down to four candidates after former cabinet minister Mel Stride was knocked out in a vote of Tory MPs. The former immigration minister Robert Jenrick finished top with 33 votes, with Kemi Badenoch second on 28 votes. James Cleverly and Tom Tugendhat got 21 votes each from Tory MPs, leaving Mel Stride with the fewest votes on 16." The previous scores were : Robert Jenrick 28 votes, Kemi Badenoch on 22. James Cleverly 21 votes, Tom Tugendhat got 17 Mel Stride was on 16. Dame Priti picked up just 14 votes. Increases of 6 to Badenoch, 5 to Jenrick and 4 to Tugendhat. Surprised James Cleverly didn't change, and Stride unchanged too. Lots of horsetrading between Cleverly and Tugendhat for the "unity" candidate as I suspect Stride's backers will largely go to those two, then combine in the one after that. Will there be a 'get Jenrick out' tactical vote? |
|
yattongas
Forum Legend
Posts: 15,441
Member is Online
|
Post by yattongas on Sept 10, 2024 21:53:03 GMT
Agree with final 2 but think Tugentwat will be next out "The Conservative leadership contest has been whittled down to four candidates after former cabinet minister Mel Stride was knocked out in a vote of Tory MPs. The former immigration minister Robert Jenrick finished top with 33 votes, with Kemi Badenoch second on 28 votes. James Cleverly and Tom Tugendhat got 21 votes each from Tory MPs, leaving Mel Stride with the fewest votes on 16." The previous scores were : Robert Jenrick 28 votes, Kemi Badenoch on 22. James Cleverly 21 votes, Tom Tugendhat got 17 Mel Stride was on 16. Dame Priti picked up just 14 votes. Increases of 6 to Badenoch, 5 to Jenrick and 4 to Tugendhat. Surprised James Cleverly didn't change, and Stride unchanged too. Lots of horsetrading between Cleverly and Tugendhat for the "unity" candidate as I suspect Stride's backers will largely go to those two, then combine in the one after that. Will there be a 'get Jenrick out' tactical vote? Interesting 🧐….. so my guy I thought who would sneak through at the expense of Tugenhat gets the heave Ho . So much horse trading goes on in these things 😂 Still no idea who’ll actually win ! Won’t matter though as Sir Kier will be PM for 10 yrs at least. |
|
|
|
Post by supergas on Sept 11, 2024 5:29:13 GMT
Mainstream media like the Times and the Telegraph hinted at it but clearly couldn't prove it (or potentially didn't want to publish it)... ....and I think I was clear in my pre-election posts - it is just rumour but there is no smoke without flames. When two senior journalists/biographers (Patrick Kidd from the Times and Lord Ashcroft) start publishing comments like: ...we can start to narrow it down. How many senior male Labour politicians are married with at least two children... I'd guess quite a few ? Lots of Labour MPs now ! Pre-election, senior, male, at least two kids. If you count senior as the Shadow Cabinet that's maybe five people, if you go with 'senior enough' meaning to warrant being mentioned by Ashcroft in the book in this way it's either Starmer or Miliband (E). There have been rumours about the love-life of the former for several years now. It's not proven and I'm not saying it's proven. But these hints and suggestions often lead to the full story coming out at a later point... |
|
|
|
Post by supergas on Sept 11, 2024 5:46:52 GMT
Agree with final 2 but think Tugentwat will be next out "The Conservative leadership contest has been whittled down to four candidates after former cabinet minister Mel Stride was knocked out in a vote of Tory MPs. The former immigration minister Robert Jenrick finished top with 33 votes, with Kemi Badenoch second on 28 votes. James Cleverly and Tom Tugendhat got 21 votes each from Tory MPs, leaving Mel Stride with the fewest votes on 16." The previous scores were : Robert Jenrick 28 votes, Kemi Badenoch on 22. James Cleverly 21 votes, Tom Tugendhat got 17 Mel Stride was on 16. Dame Priti picked up just 14 votes. Increases of 6 to Badenoch, 5 to Jenrick and 4 to Tugendhat. Surprised James Cleverly didn't change, and Stride unchanged too. Lots of horsetrading between Cleverly and Tugendhat for the "unity" candidate as I suspect Stride's backers will largely go to those two, then combine in the one after that.Will there be a 'get Jenrick out' tactical vote? About 40 Conservative MPs would openly say they are 'One Nation Conservatives' so that tallies up near enough to make sense. I wouldn't be at all surprised if one or the other stands aside (in exchange for their preferred Shadow Cabinet job...) but even if they don't, one or other will probably make the last two anyway. |
|
|
|
Post by supergas on Sept 17, 2024 10:48:37 GMT
Nope. I think it will happen and might have a flutter at the bookies though.... Ok . I think there’s absolutely no chance it will happen. I’ll dig up these posts in 18 months time to gloat 😂👌 Absolutely no chance? |
|
yattongas
Forum Legend
Posts: 15,441
Member is Online
|
Post by yattongas on Sept 17, 2024 11:24:42 GMT
|
|
stuart1974
Proper Gas
Posts: 12,538
Member is Online
|
Post by stuart1974 on Sept 19, 2024 15:35:14 GMT
|
|
yattongas
Forum Legend
Posts: 15,441
Member is Online
|
Post by yattongas on Sept 20, 2024 14:35:20 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by aghast on Sept 20, 2024 16:21:02 GMT
This is a typical Tory/Reform character, banging on about English pride without any clue about what that actually means (apart from hating foreigners).
|
|
stuart1974
Proper Gas
Posts: 12,538
Member is Online
|
Post by stuart1974 on Sept 20, 2024 16:59:55 GMT
This is a typical Tory/Reform character, banging on about English pride without any clue about what that actually means (apart from hating foreigners). Magna carta, may she rest in peace - Tony Hancock |
|
yattongas
Forum Legend
Posts: 15,441
Member is Online
|
Post by yattongas on Oct 8, 2024 14:32:20 GMT
Badenoch 30
Cleverly 39
Jenrick 31
Tugendhat 20….. and out !
|
|
stuart1974
Proper Gas
Posts: 12,538
Member is Online
|
Post by stuart1974 on Oct 8, 2024 14:44:29 GMT
Badenoch 30 Cleverly 39 Jenrick 31 Tugendhat 20….. and out ! So far as predicted, interesting that Jenrick has lost ground to Badenoch. That wing of the party is also split unless (and it's likely) that others are voting tactically. Badenoch is the 'darling' of the membership as I understand it. |
|
|
|
Post by aghast on Oct 8, 2024 16:43:49 GMT
Badenoch 30 Cleverly 39 Jenrick 31 Tugendhat 20….. and out ! So far as predicted, interesting that Jenrick has lost ground to Badenoch. That wing of the party is also split unless (and it's likely) that others are voting tactically. Badenoch is the 'darling' of the membership as I understand it. All I can think of for a reason why anyone with a stable mind would pick Badenoch is that as a black female right winger she has something to appeal to almost everyone. I hope Cleverly gets it for two reasons. He seems marginally more sensible and rational than the other two, and the backers and membership will hate him because he's not attempting to be Nigel Farage so divisions will continue. |
|
