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Post by Dirt Dogg on Sept 7, 2024 20:15:13 GMT
Big positive for me was Kofi Shaw getting some minutes, the lad is still very raw but is an obvious talent. Needs some time on the pitch at the Mem infront of a home crowd over the next few weeks.
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Post by bluegas on Sept 7, 2024 20:16:04 GMT
No, no, we weren't too far away. We were miles away, apart from Sinclair's effort we created nothing of note, at the other end Barnsley probably had 10 efforts similar to Sinclair's or better. I was quoting our leader - from his after match interview. Obviously you are quite right. Strange can't see it. |
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Post by holmesgas1 on Sept 7, 2024 20:16:32 GMT
I’m not sure you understand the economics of football. You have to take punt in life, based developing players with our budget. For us we have spent a lot but it does not but you a proven league 1 or 2 marksman unless you want to for a has been in JCH. We are taking a punt on potential both with Promise and Forde. If one of them comes off we have 1 to 2 millions pound striker on our hands. Promise shows lots of potential and Forde comes with glowing reports. If you think we 15 Million like Birmingham, plus I know who I’d rather have for the long term security of both clubs. How on earth have you come to the conclusion that I don’t understand the economics from that? I haven’t suggested that we needed or wanted a player like JCH (although I’d argue Stansfield has both resale and current value). My point was a tactical one and if the strikers you have are young / potential based or players that will grow with the club or provide resale value then right now you have to source goals and attacking threat from other avenues to subsidise the fact that hey won’t be prolific. The only midfield player we have with a proven track record of scoring goals, who we spent a large portion of our limited funds on, hasn’t got on the pitch for two games based on the fact we weren’t free flowing in games away at Stockport and Rotherham. So being patient should apply to all options not just some. We are currently using a midfield of Conteh / Garrett and Ward which won’t yeild 5 goals between them. As it stands Macca also won’t contribute and Kofi has yet to show he can at league level, LT scores at a rate of a goal every 20 games and Bryant may chip in if we lump it in the box often enough. We have set up a team to be consistent and solid. MT has alluded to that fact several times in interviews mentioning players who he knows can play in patches and doesn’t know entirely what he’ll get from them over 90 mins and has therefore opted to play more pragmatic options….yet we’ve still had a MoM who’s a GK in 4 from 5 games and are conceding too many chances whilst not creating enough. Economics doesn’t come into it. Style substance and attacking ideas do and I’m not sure that’s the way our manager leans. You say economics don’t come into it, but one of your earlier posts you were having a go that we’d bought a striker who has only scored 1 in something. You had written him off, because of his record. Give the lad and MT a chance. I might be with you in 18 months time, but for now I believe there is a lot of positives. It is very easy to be negative as in football not many teams actually succeed so you are on safer bet than me. Difference is I will enjoy the ride much more than you. |
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Post by holmesgas1 on Sept 7, 2024 20:26:36 GMT
Nice one Topper good signings poor manger? Didn’t this poor manager sign these good players? Weirdo. MT's admitted a far few were signed solely by GF/the VP, he admitted he wasn't even aware we were signing Forde. Although anybody can sign good sounding players it's getting them to play which is the issue. You know that’s not the case. MT said that they had been tracking Forde for sometime. He was just too expensive, but Rovers acted decisively when the price lowered. MT was fully onboard and has been with all the other players. If you want to bash MT at least try to get the facts right. |
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Post by wider on Sept 7, 2024 20:28:42 GMT
Too much towards the extremes as usual.
It’s only 5 league games into the season - patterns are possibly emerging but nothing looks that clear to me yet except I feel that we have a lot more potential good players.
Somebody mentioned early on that we would miss Kamil sitting in front of the defence line as he does so much off the ball blocking the channels and I completely agree. Having him back will massively help the defence but I don’t think he is very creative? He does a great job destroying the oppositions options and when he gets the ball he rarely loses it but it’s nearly always a simple offload. It rarely goes elsewhere though, somebody said his pass completion rate is nearly 90%?! A few more like that would help a lot.
I agree that the problem is in midfield. We aren’t competing effectively yet. Ward hasn’t looked right since Norwich away - he was running that game till the injury struck. We need an effective replacement for him, at least as cover but I am worried that he may never get fit again.
I haven’t seen enough of Lindsay to have an opinion yet but others seem to think he’s decent enough. Fingers crossed. Hutchinson? Not sure, first time I saw him was Bath City preseason and some raved about him but I felt he was wasteful against lower class opposition and was more impressed by Kofi Shaw. Hutchinson lacks physicality imo, reminds me of Westbrooke too much.
Only the result ultimately matters in any game and we lost again away today. However, it was only by one goal and we had chances to equalise plus sustained pressure in added time. We hung on through a dreadful opening 20 minutes or so but came back into the game. I’m really pleased by the spirit and resolve this squad is showing. A bit disappointed we aren’t a bit more adventurous with substitutions but I’m not the manager. I don’t see why what seems to be verging on hatred is shown to MT by some. Why? The recruitment looks good but maybe the midfield struggles show that a few injuries here or Conteh on international duty means we don’t quite have the cover we hoped.
It’s ok having a moan on here but please don’t take anything but positive support to the grounds. Sorry for the chap with his 5 year old and a berk behind them. However I do feel the best thing to do is speak up immediately - if not direct then to a steward. Talking to a mate sometimes works but often doesn’t as, sadly, they are used to it. Let’s just get behind the team (and manager) and give them nothing but wholehearted support. UTG.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 7, 2024 20:29:15 GMT
This has to be one of the worst opening 15 minutes i've ever seen from a Rovers team. Woeful. No. You obviously weren’t at Exeter when we in League 2!! Now that was bad! 🫣 At least today we got better. UTG! |
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Post by igotgas on Sept 7, 2024 20:33:00 GMT
How on earth have you come to the conclusion that I don’t understand the economics from that? I haven’t suggested that we needed or wanted a player like JCH (although I’d argue Stansfield has both resale and current value). My point was a tactical one and if the strikers you have are young / potential based or players that will grow with the club or provide resale value then right now you have to source goals and attacking threat from other avenues to subsidise the fact that hey won’t be prolific. The only midfield player we have with a proven track record of scoring goals, who we spent a large portion of our limited funds on, hasn’t got on the pitch for two games based on the fact we weren’t free flowing in games away at Stockport and Rotherham. So being patient should apply to all options not just some. We are currently using a midfield of Conteh / Garrett and Ward which won’t yeild 5 goals between them. As it stands Macca also won’t contribute and Kofi has yet to show he can at league level, LT scores at a rate of a goal every 20 games and Bryant may chip in if we lump it in the box often enough. We have set up a team to be consistent and solid. MT has alluded to that fact several times in interviews mentioning players who he knows can play in patches and doesn’t know entirely what he’ll get from them over 90 mins and has therefore opted to play more pragmatic options….yet we’ve still had a MoM who’s a GK in 4 from 5 games and are conceding too many chances whilst not creating enough. Economics doesn’t come into it. Style substance and attacking ideas do and I’m not sure that’s the way our manager leans. You say economics don’t come into it, but one of your earlier posts you were having a go that we’d bought a striker who has only scored 1 in something. You had written him off, because of his record. Give the lad and MT a chance. I might be with you in 18 months time, but for now I believe there is a lot of positives. It is very easy to be negative as in football not many teams actually succeed so you are on safer bet than me. Difference is I will enjoy the ride much more than you. I dont remember moaning about us signing anyone? I definitely dont remember moaning about a striker with a poor goal ratio when we signed him? Maybe you can find it and enlighten me? |
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Post by keygas on Sept 7, 2024 20:48:24 GMT
Disappointing, but Barnsley were deserved winners as they should have had the game sewn up before we equalised, but overall I’am happy with the signings who on the whole seem decent honest players who will all improve given time, at the moment there’s too many individual inconsistent performances & it’s hard to pick the best starting 11.
Will we have enough to challenge the top sides, probably not, but we should be capable of picking up enough points against the other teams to stay out of trouble & finish in a decent position.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 7, 2024 20:53:15 GMT
Disappointing result, but not a million miles away. What game were you watching, JG must have brought off at least 5 decent saves but we created nothing apart from Sinclair's late effort, our goal and other attempt on target were from Barnsley defensive errors, there's been no real improvement on last season's performance. …..and we could / should have been 2-1 up. We lost, we were poor for 20 minutes but we improved and we played well second half. Blimey last week we won and at this time last Saturday we had about 10 pages on MDT. We lost today and at same time we’re over 20! Says it all. UTG! ps. Loved watching Promise today. Put in a real shift. Wins the ball, holds it up and is always looking to go forward. Shaq will be similar I hope. |
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Post by lympstonegas on Sept 7, 2024 21:10:22 GMT
Love to know what game you watched. Should have been 3/4 down after 15 mins. Another game of 30% possession, hardly any shots on target, a keeper to thank to keep goals conceded under 5 against a team that haven’t won at home for 6 months The happy clappers seem to watch different games to the rest of us, with away games coming up at Posh & Huddersfield you do wonder how long the board are prepared to accept MT losing every away game. Hilarious Balanced view was after the first 20 odd minutes we played ourselves into the game and could have got a draw if SS had kept his shot down which would have been a good point considering Barnsley is a tough place to go and get a result especially for us over the years |
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 7, 2024 21:15:54 GMT
MT's post match comments, like a few on this thread he seems to have been watching a different game: "We’ve took a play-off team to the wire, if not more today," Taylor said post-match. "There’s not much in that game. They were the better team for the first 20 minutes but from that point on I was really pleased with our performance. It's worrying if he really was pleased with that performance? Topper, it’s all about opinions. I’ve only started reading this thread, keeping away because I knew what it would be like. I haven’t heard MT yet but if he said what you’ve said he said then he’s pretty accurate isn’t he? They were superior for 20 minutes but after that we grew into the game. We could have been 3-0 down but we weren’t and we came back and could have led. But we didn’t. That’s football. Perhaps instead of planting thoughts about MT going, which is ridiculous, we just see that his problem at the moment is creating an effective midfield from the options he has especially away from home. He needs to look at the formation away from home so that we don’t get overrun as we have done. I said this last week we can’t always depend on Josh G to save us….again. And he needs time to do that. UTG! |
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 7, 2024 21:25:48 GMT
Feel like my afternoon was overshadowed somewhat by an absolute idiot sat in the row behind me, right at the front of the stand. He spent the whole of the second half shouting vile abuse at anyone and everyone, including calling Taylor a ‘boring Special lady garden’ and shouting the N-word repeatedly. He then went on to shouting vile sexual comments at young female working for Barnsley. I honestly felt ashamed and embarrassed. What made it worse was the fact I was with my 5-year-old lad, who wanted to watch from as close to the pitch as possible. Before I get the ‘why didn’t you say something’ comment, the stewards were in ear-shot and completely ignored him and I didn’t want a scene with my son with me. I did speak to a friend of his and he apologised for his mate’s behaviour. I’ve no idea why anyone would want to be associated with this cretin. Bad luck and I understand your reaction esp if you’ve got your little boy with you. I had the same at Nottingham F over 20 years ago. I did complain to the steward and he ignored me. Fortunately the guy I complained about was too thick and busy abusing every player that he wasn’t even aware. Doesn’t sound as if things have improved. I hope you lad managed to enjoy being close to the pitch. UTG! |
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Post by wallywalters on Sept 7, 2024 21:46:22 GMT
Too much towards the extremes as usual. It’s only 5 league games into the season - patterns are possibly emerging but nothing looks that clear to me yet except I feel that we have a lot more potential good players. Somebody mentioned early on that we would miss Kamil sitting in front of the defence line as he does so much off the ball blocking the channels and I completely agree. Having him back will massively help the defence but I don’t think he is very creative? He does a great job destroying the oppositions options and when he gets the ball he rarely loses it but it’s nearly always a simple offload. It rarely goes elsewhere though, somebody said his pass completion rate is nearly 90%?! A few more like that would help a lot. I agree that the problem is in midfield. We aren’t competing effectively yet. Ward hasn’t looked right since Norwich away - he was running that game till the injury struck. We need an effective replacement for him, at least as cover but I am worried that he may never get fit again. I haven’t seen enough of Lindsay to have an opinion yet but others seem to think he’s decent enough. Fingers crossed. Hutchinson? Not sure, first time I saw him was Bath City preseason and some raved about him but I felt he was wasteful against lower class opposition and was more impressed by Kofi Shaw. Hutchinson lacks physicality imo, reminds me of Westbrooke too much. Only the result ultimately matters in any game and we lost again away today. However, it was only by one goal and we had chances to equalise plus sustained pressure in added time. We hung on through a dreadful opening 20 minutes or so but came back into the game. I’m really pleased by the spirit and resolve this squad is showing. A bit disappointed we aren’t a bit more adventurous with substitutions but I’m not the manager. I don’t see why what seems to be verging on hatred is shown to MT by some. Why? The recruitment looks good but maybe the midfield struggles show that a few injuries here or Conteh on international duty means we don’t quite have the cover we hoped. It’s ok having a moan on here but please don’t take anything but positive support to the grounds. Sorry for the chap with his 5 year old and a berk behind them. However I do feel the best thing to do is speak up immediately - if not direct then to a steward. Talking to a mate sometimes works but often doesn’t as, sadly, they are used to it. Let’s just get behind the team (and manager) and give them nothing but wholehearted support. UTG. Very sensible post wider. I've said from day one this side will not produce anything like it's potential until November / December. It happens every single time the gas have massive overhauls of squads. They have to be given time to work out the best 11, formation, partnerships. If in December we are struggling then il start to worry. Until then I'm pretty relaxed as I can see some fantastic players out there even if it's not firing on all cylinders yet. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 7, 2024 22:01:38 GMT
MT's admitted a far few were signed solely by GF/the VP, he admitted he wasn't even aware we were signing Forde. Although anybody can sign good sounding players it's getting them to play which is the issue. You know that’s not the case. MT said that they had been tracking Forde for sometime. He was just too expensive, but Rovers acted decisively when the price lowered. MT was fully onboard and has been with all the other players. If you want to bash MT at least try to get the facts right. What's facts are wrong, MT stated he went to bed assuming all the deals had been completed and then found we'd signed Forde. None of us know what involvement he has in identifying players and agreeing deals etc. It seems strange to me that nobody thought to ask the manager if they should still sign a player now on offer, or even tell him they were in the process of completing the deal. Was a right winger really the priority when we don't seem to have an obvious replacement for Ward and MT doesn't seem to like playing with wingers. |
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Post by igotgas on Sept 7, 2024 22:59:33 GMT
I’m with Topper on this.
Some of the recruitment seems scatter gun and inconsistent to me.
We signed a super GK on loan while sending our own out on loan and bringing in no cover when the back up is nowhere near ready and doesn’t even sit on the bench.
I dont think Mola was signed as a LCB. Equally I don’t think Bilongo was signed with the intention of being a regular. So if it’s possible that Mola was intended as LWB, who was MT thinking would play LCB?
Senior and Hunt are the only RWBs but neither were playing ahead of LT when they were fit and yet LT is clearly being shoe horned into a system that doesn’t suit his attributes. Yet MT has said he’s technically one of our most productive players so why not recruit to play a system that accommodates that?
We had Macca, Conteh, Ward and then went out and bought Lindsay and Hutchinson and signed Garrett on loan and stated Kofi wasn’t going on loan. That’s 7 CMs. 4 of them are defensive minded and we’ve been playing with only one holding player behind two 8s…out of 7 only one of them has any pedigree in goal contributions and we spent in the region of £200k on him only to completely bomb him out after 3 games and just after he’d had the boost of scoring and assisting his first goals for the club….to then complain of a lack of attacking threat from midfield having publicly stated he was the direct replacement for last seasons POY.
We made Sinclair club captain and then haven’t started him in a game yet as well as signing another player on loan to develop for someone else’s benefit that plays in his position who also hasn’t started a game yet.
We then broke the club record on a CF and signed three others (one of whom is a winger when we don’t play wingers).
Results have been ok. Not great but ok. Our only wins coming at home to teams fully expected to be in the bottom 6. But the performances have been pretty poor. We are yet to have had more possession than any other team we’ve played inc a Spurs youth team and a dreadful Cambridge. Our GK has been MoM 4 times in 5 games and we’ve conceded more chances and faced more shots than we’ve offered in return in every game so far.
As I see it there is no definitive pattern or style of play evolving even in its infancy and no one can tell me what it is we try to do on each game in order to give ourselves the best chance of winning other than to run a lot and try and press teams with some energy and endeavour.
For me…..it’s not the worst start but here are way more questions than answers already and we look nowhere near a side capable of stringing 3 wins on the bounce together, going on a 6 match unbeaten run, scoring freely or beating any of the top teams.
If all those signings were made by MT or with his blessing then I’d be surprised.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Sept 7, 2024 23:31:20 GMT
The Duke chats sense on BRTV. What a legend Love listening to him ! 💙Utg |
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Post by 1950gas on Sept 8, 2024 1:18:24 GMT
I agree it’s very early days. Let them gel, give them time blah, blah blah.
Taylor now has his team after a big clear out.
Do we give him till Easter or maybe Christmas and Jan transfer window??
I didn’t get too excited watching the game. Promise , goalie and Wilson put in good shifts. Edward’s came good in 2nd half. We were very poor defending high balls into box including long throws . Why oh why don't we use the long throw ?? Taylor is sadly missed at the back IMO.
Midfield was totally overrun in first half. Better in second and to be honest we should have got a draw in the end.
Bit like my school report, shows promise but could do better.
Disappointed Gashead in Perth.
Stoney
UTG
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Post by 1950gas on Sept 8, 2024 1:43:23 GMT
I agree it’s very early days. Let them gel, give them time blah, blah blah. Taylor now has his team after a big clear out. Do we give him till Easter or maybe Christmas and Jan transfer window?? I didn’t get too excited watching the game. Promise , goalie and Wilson put in good shifts. Edward’s came good in 2nd half. We were very poor defending high balls into box including long throws . Why oh why don't we use the long throw ?? Taylor is sadly missed at the back IMO. Midfield was totally overrun in first half. Better in second and to be honest we should have got a draw in the end. Bit like my school report, shows promise but could do better. Disappointed Gashead in Perth. Stoney UTG Moore I ment not Edward’s 😳 |
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Post by Beer Baron on Sept 8, 2024 1:56:11 GMT
Missed Conteh massively, hate to say it but McCormick isn't fit to lace his boots.
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Post by 1950gas on Sept 8, 2024 2:28:08 GMT
Missed Conteh massively, hate to say it but McCormick isn't fit to lace his boots. Agree Too many excuses about Macca . He just doesn’t do it for me. Almost like playing with 10 when he’s in the side. Weak in 50/50’s, give the ball away too often and poor passing. Other than that he’s brilliant NOT |
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