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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 16, 2024 9:16:07 GMT
Fwiw, I don't think that MT is here to get us promoted to the Championship, that's a bonus should he do so. I think he is here to steady the ship and help lay the foundations while things are simultaneously sorted out off the pitch. I expect, the owners of the White Star Line thought the same, when they appointed Captain Smith. Smith followed convention at the time, trying to meet his boss's expectations. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 16, 2024 9:18:04 GMT
I doubt the owners having spent £1m+ on transfer fees this summer are happy with MT to just steady the ship, if that's all they wanted they could have probably spent half that amount. Forde in particular looks an extravagant purchase for a team just aiming for mid table. Downpayment for longer term success. I don't think there is an expectation to get promoted this season. Progress can be measured in many way. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 16, 2024 9:18:49 GMT
I doubt the owners having spent £1m+ on transfer fees this summer are happy with MT to just steady the ship, if that's all they wanted they could have probably spent half that amount. Forde in particular looks an extravagant purchase for a team just aiming for mid table. Nearly all the signings are 3 year deals plus an optional 4th. Says to me that whilst they've spent a large amount, this isn't a one year plan. Pretty certain they'll want to see an improvement this season plus a return on their investment in the form of increased attendances. As things stand a capacity of 12K at the Mem is more than enough. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 16, 2024 9:22:47 GMT
Nearly all the signings are 3 year deals plus an optional 4th. Says to me that whilst they've spent a large amount, this isn't a one year plan. Pretty certain they'll want to see an improvement this season plus a return on their investment in the form of increased attendances. As things stand a capacity of 12K at the Mem is more than enough. Wanting improvements and a return on investment, yes. But that doesn't have to be immediate. They've set themselves a three to five year target so needs to be seen in that context. Same for the Mem, doing nothing until it's needed isn't good business, especially if improvements take years to complete. |
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Sept 16, 2024 9:45:26 GMT
It has taken a while for me to calm down enough to even post on this thread. That was without doubt the worst performance I've seen from a Rovers team for I can't remember how long? We really were lucky not to get smashed 6 or 7, good job Wigan weren't that clinical. Barnsley getting beaten 3-0 puts our performance there into perspective. We really need to learn how to defend corners and quickly, otherwise any good work is undone in a moment by a really soft goal. I think Martin is a bit of a loss here, as he did help out. Without sounding like a stuck record, we will continue to get beaten by teams that can play a bit because they will find a way to play around or through us. Think it's something we might need to get used to this season....
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 16, 2024 10:36:20 GMT
Pretty certain they'll want to see an improvement this season plus a return on their investment in the form of increased attendances. As things stand a capacity of 12K at the Mem is more than enough. Wanting improvements and a return on investment, yes. But that doesn't have to be immediate. They've set themselves a three to five year target so needs to be seen in that context. Same for the Mem, doing nothing until it's needed isn't good business, especially if improvements take years to complete. We've no real idea what targets they've set internally, they could be just looking a quick return on their investment or looking at a long term venture, a year or two ago we'd have never thought Wael would effectively sell up. Richie Barker's suggestions up to 16 L1 clubs are looking for a playoff push this season is probably a better pointer. Regardless if they have any interest in watching football I can't believe they are happy to watch us get hammered in home matches. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 16, 2024 11:00:43 GMT
Wanting improvements and a return on investment, yes. But that doesn't have to be immediate. They've set themselves a three to five year target so needs to be seen in that context. Same for the Mem, doing nothing until it's needed isn't good business, especially if improvements take years to complete. We've no real idea what targets they've set internally, they could be just looking a quick return on their investment or looking at a long term venture, a year or two ago we'd have never thought Wael would effectively sell up. Richie Barker's suggestions up to 16 L1 clubs are looking for a playoff push this season is probably a better pointer. Regardless if they have any interest in watching football I can't believe they are happy to watch us get hammered in home matches. First paragraph, Wael has said for a while that he was looking for outside investment and in terms of expectations we can only go by what's been said in public. Second paragraph is conjecture, we don't know. Third is true but obvious, I can't see anyone being happy, it's how we respond that's important now. |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 16, 2024 11:18:12 GMT
Pretty certain they'll want to see an improvement this season plus a return on their investment in the form of increased attendances. As things stand a capacity of 12K at the Mem is more than enough. Wanting improvements and a return on investment, yes. But that doesn't have to be immediate. They've set themselves a three to five year target so needs to be seen in that context. Same for the Mem, doing nothing until it's needed isn't good business, especially if improvements take years to complete. Keep playing like we did on Saturday and they will have to factor in getting back from League 2 in their 3-5 year plan. |
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Post by GasAttacK on Sept 16, 2024 11:43:08 GMT
I thought this would be a tougher game than some seemed to be expecting. However, I didn't expect to lose 0-4.
Possession does not win you football matches. We had more possession against Wigan (52.5%) than we have in any games this season. Barnsley had nearly 60% at Stevenage and still lost 3-0.
Unfortunately, we weren't good enough with or without the ball on Saturday.
Having started the match pretty well and missing a couple of early chances from corners, we completely fell apart after going behind.
The goals themselves were extremely soft and all avoidable, but we were far too open and easy to play against. Wigan were obviously worthy winners. They looked like they could score nearly every time they got into our penalty area. On the flip side, we rarely looked dangerous and only forced their keeper to make 2 saves.
I'm not sure what they'll work on in training this week because we need to improve virtually every apect of our performance to have any chance of bringing back points from Peterborough. Back to the drawing board I think.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Sept 16, 2024 13:00:55 GMT
There are some really crap club owners and team managers on this forum! Last one to leave, put the cat out, turn the lights off and lock up I imagine you do not include yourself in this sweeping and ridiculous statement ? I was not aware BRFC had a club cat. |
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Post by DrFaustus on Sept 16, 2024 13:20:04 GMT
There are some really crap club owners and team managers on this forum! Last one to leave, put the cat out, turn the lights off and lock up To be fair, you predicted a 3-0 Rovers win.😎 |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 16, 2024 13:24:17 GMT
There are some really crap club owners and team managers on this forum! Last one to leave, put the cat out, turn the lights off and lock up I imagine you do not include yourself in this sweeping and ridiculous statement ? I was not aware BRFC had a club cat. Cat? Probably our defence as it's been having kittens recently. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 16, 2024 14:13:38 GMT
I thought this would be a tougher game than some seemed to be expecting. However, I didn't expect to lose 0-4. Possession does not win you football matches. We had more possession against Wigan (52.5%) than we have in any games this season. Barnsley had nearly 60% at Stevenage and still lost 3-0. Unfortunately, we weren't good enough with or without the ball on Saturday. Having started the match pretty well and missing a couple of early chances from corners, we completely fell apart after going behind. The goals themselves were extremely soft and all avoidable, but we were far too open and easy to play against. Wigan were obviously worthy winners. They looked like they could score nearly every time they got into our penalty area. On the flip side, we rarely looked dangerous and only forced their keeper to make 2 saves. I'm not sure what they'll work on in training this week because we need to improve virtually every apect of our performance to have any chance of bringing back points from Peterborough. Back to the drawing board I think. Personally I'd spend all week working on corners, although we've probably got nobody in the club to attack the ball like opposing players tend to do in our box. |
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Post by aghast on Sept 16, 2024 16:04:44 GMT
You’d really help yourself if you could read. What I said was “I will never understand a manager who makes subs at half time. He’s basically saying I can’t help you with any information or expectation and so I’ll just swap players and see if one’s better. You rarely if ever see the best managers do it. It screams “I dont know how to improve this”. The essence of managing / coaching would be to identify how that player can improve and how the team can improve by doing certain things better and then to give them the opportunity to carry that out” Pep is arguably the greatest manger of all time and he made 2 subs at half time on the weekend? It's another one of those 'can't win' situations. The complaint is normally that the manager makes subs too late. Now the complaint is he makes them too early. I wonder if there's a magic minute shortly after half time but before it's too late which would be acceptable? |
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Post by wertongas on Sept 16, 2024 16:27:19 GMT
Our defending was poor last season , we gave to much room to the oppositions attack, didn't close players down quick enough and marking was slack, there does not seem to be allot of improvement this year. There were no defenders on the goal line or protecting the goal keeper , so when he made a save the ball just went back to a Wigan forwards instead of being hooked away by our defenders. We also seem to drop our heads, lose confidence and throw the towel in far to early in the game. This often happens when you have a young side, hopefully Taylor will bring in some more experienced players for the next game. Bringing Hunt and Ward in would be a start. It's 24/25 years since we last competed at the top of this division and I was hoping for good things this season, I only hope it is not another 24 years as I will most likely be dead by then. We have had bad results at the start of a seasons before and gone onto play off finals and more, hope springs eternal, hopefully we will still have a good season.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 16, 2024 17:22:52 GMT
Our defending was poor last season , we gave to much room to the oppositions attack, didn't close players down quick enough and marking was slack, there does not seem to be allot of improvement this year. There were no defenders on the goal line or protecting the goal keeper , so when he made a save the ball just went back to a Wigan forwards instead of being hooked away by our defenders. We also seem to drop our heads, lose confidence and throw the towel in far to early in the game. This often happens when you have a young side, hopefully Taylor will bring in some more experienced players for the next game. Bringing Hunt and Ward in would be a start. It's 24/25 years since we last competed at the top of this division and I was hoping for good things this season, I only hope it is not another 24 years as I will most likely be dead by then. We have had bad results at the start of a seasons before and gone onto play off finals and more, hope springs eternal, hopefully we will still have a good season. We were competing at the top when GC was in charge which was only 5 or so years ago, then for some bizarre reason Weal decided to go down the youngsters route under BG. We seem to have a better class of youngsters this season but the same issue remains, as soon as we go 1-0 down the youngsters seem to just give up. MT has already announced Hunt won't be selected even though he's fit, so unless he makes an about turn it's unlikely he'll feature any time soon. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 16, 2024 17:26:02 GMT
Pep is arguably the greatest manger of all time and he made 2 subs at half time on the weekend? It's another one of those 'can't win' situations. The complaint is normally that the manager makes subs too late. Now the complaint is he makes them too early. I wonder if there's a magic minute shortly after half time but before it's too late which would be acceptable? |
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Post by wertongas on Sept 16, 2024 18:16:50 GMT
Our defending was poor last season , we gave to much room to the oppositions attack, didn't close players down quick enough and marking was slack, there does not seem to be allot of improvement this year. There were no defenders on the goal line or protecting the goal keeper , so when he made a save the ball just went back to a Wigan forwards instead of being hooked away by our defenders. We also seem to drop our heads, lose confidence and throw the towel in far to early in the game. This often happens when you have a young side, hopefully Taylor will bring in some more experienced players for the next game. Bringing Hunt and Ward in would be a start. It's 24/25 years since we last competed at the top of this division and I was hoping for good things this season, I only hope it is not another 24 years as I will most likely be dead by then. We have had bad results at the start of a seasons before and gone onto play off finals and more, hope springs eternal, hopefully we will still have a good season. We were competing at the top when GC was in charge which was only 5 or so years ago, then for some bizarre reason Weal decided to go down the youngsters route under BG. We seem to have a better class of youngsters this season but the same issue remains, as soon as we go 1-0 down the youngsters seem to just give up. MT has already announced Hunt won't be selected even though he's fit, so unless he makes an about turn it's unlikely he'll feature any time soon. For a few games Topper under GC, I am talking about a whole season, you have to go back to the Holloway collapse when we gave up at the end of the season. Now that Moore is out Taylor may have no choice but to play Hunt. |
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Post by bathtubpirate on Sept 16, 2024 18:23:55 GMT
Does anyone know the name of the band in the fan zone on Saturday? Cheers
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 16, 2024 19:02:05 GMT
We were competing at the top when GC was in charge which was only 5 or so years ago, then for some bizarre reason Weal decided to go down the youngsters route under BG. We seem to have a better class of youngsters this season but the same issue remains, as soon as we go 1-0 down the youngsters seem to just give up. MT has already announced Hunt won't be selected even though he's fit, so unless he makes an about turn it's unlikely he'll feature any time soon. For a few games Topper under GC, I am talking about a whole season, you have to go back to the Holloway collapse when we gave up at the end of the season. Now that Moore is out Taylor may have no choice but to play Hunt. If GC hadn't jumped ship and we had got in a decent replacement when he did, then we could have well challenged for the entire season. We also weren't a million miles off when City signed the Snake to make sure we didn't get in the play offs. |
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