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Post by WeAreTheGas on Sept 22, 2024 12:42:42 GMT
Whilst I’m still in the Taylor In camp and personally am prepared to give him more time to get things right, the underlying numbers like these are what concern me most at this stage. They’re rank. We’re having less shots on target than any other team in L1, have the highest accumulative xG against us in L1, and our keeper has made the 2nd most saves per match so far. It’s obviously still early days, but we’re looking for a major improvement at BOTH ends of the pitch here. I can definitely see the reasons why things could get better. i.e Hutchinson settling in & providing some creativity in midfield, Forde getting up to fitness and giving us more up top, Senior returning and giving us the option to play a back four etc. However I’m also not sure that any of those things are going to improve our defending from set pieces - which is woeful - and our defending overall which, at least in the last 2/3 games, has been L2 standard at best. I do agree with what others have said in this thread in terms of the midfield. Getting the balance & combination right in there is the key IMO. Currently, regardless of who plays in there, that unit is neither able to provide solidity in the middle & protection to the defence, or provide support and ammunition to the forwards. Whether that’s a personnel issue, shape/system issue, style of play issue or a combination of factors, I’m not too sure. But it needs sorting & fast because at the moment we have zero foothold in matches & it’s not even giving us a chance to get results. |
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Post by pirate on Sept 22, 2024 13:21:15 GMT
Don't the stats just confirm what we can all see from the results/league position? They do, but sometimes you can point to a metric or something to give you hope, with us there is nothing. Literally nothing. The underlying data has been at a similar level all season, even when people were trying to convince me we had a "good/decent start". I can't recall any game this season where we have played well as a collective under Taylor and there were very few decent performances last season either. Whatever way you look at it, Taylor's time here has been abysmal. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 22, 2024 13:49:05 GMT
Don't the stats just confirm what we can all see from the results/league position? They do, but sometimes you can point to a metric or something to give you hope, with us there is nothing. Literally nothing. The underlying data has been at a similar level all season, even when people were trying to convince me we had a "good/decent start". I can't recall any game this season where we have played well as a collective under Taylor and there were very few decent performances last season either. Whatever way you look at it, Taylor's time here has been abysmal. Against Cambridge we played OK, even if they are likely to be relegation candidates, although if the board do sack MT what confidence does any of us really have they'll recruit anybody any better, when there's no obvious candidates either externally or internally. We've been here in the recent past, sacked BG, then sacked PT but JB still oversaw us getting relegated without much of a fight. |
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Post by pirate on Sept 22, 2024 14:13:38 GMT
They do, but sometimes you can point to a metric or something to give you hope, with us there is nothing. Literally nothing. The underlying data has been at a similar level all season, even when people were trying to convince me we had a "good/decent start". I can't recall any game this season where we have played well as a collective under Taylor and there were very few decent performances last season either. Whatever way you look at it, Taylor's time here has been abysmal. Against Cambridge we played OK, even if they are likely to be relegation candidates, although if the board do sack MT what confidence does any of us really have they'll recruit anybody any better, when there's no obvious candidates either externally or internally. We've been here in the recent past, sacked BG, then sacked PT but JB still oversaw us getting relegated without much of a fight. Even though I thought Cambridge were a poor side, they still managed a better xG, dominated possession, completed double the amount of accurate passes, more accurate crosses and had more corners. Luckily for us they had no penetration or end product because any half decent team with a bit of cutting edge would have battered us that day. Under the management of Taylor the underlying data is terrible and there doesn't appear to be any signs of progress or indication that he can turn things around with his tactical nous, or lack of. It's a mess |
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Post by richhertford on Sept 22, 2024 14:21:10 GMT
Matt needs a little more time to bring the change we hope to see.
We played much better against Peterborough when Grant Ward came on. Him and conteh are a good combination.
One thing I know is that Matt Taylor is possibly one of the most disengaging characters to run our football club. He struggles to emotionally connect in interviews or emotionally connect with fans.
His interviews are dire.
I wonder what he is like in the changing rooms or around the training ground. I would hope he was inspiring but I fear not.
Too be honest, he didn’t inspire fans when I saw him at the summer friendly in Spain. Walking past 40 fans with no acknowledgement.
I wait a little longer and remain hopeful. but loosing patience with the post match low key manager comments. Can’t imagine how this works in the changing rooms.
Over to Matt to inspire everyone.
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Post by yattongas on Sept 22, 2024 14:59:16 GMT
Matt needs a little more time to bring the change we hope to see. We played much better against Peterborough when Grant Ward came on. Him and conteh are a good combination. One thing I know is that Matt Taylor is possibly one of the most disengaging characters to run our football club. He struggles to emotionally connect in interviews or emotionally connect with fans. His interviews are dire. I wonder what he is like in the changing rooms or around the training ground. I would hope he was inspiring but I fear not. Too be honest, he didn’t inspire fans when I saw him at the summer friendly in Spain. Walking past 40 fans with no acknowledgement. I wait a little longer and remain hopeful. but loosing patience with the post match low key manager comments. Can’t imagine how this works in the changing rooms. Over to Matt to inspire everyone. Always thought he comes over as knowledgeable and businesslike in fans forums / interviews etc but to me it comes across too much as just another job to him. No emotional ties , no real affinity for our club. Barton was a nobber but at least he could fake this and it got fans to buy into his thinking. |
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Post by gastric on Sept 22, 2024 15:35:36 GMT
He's got four games left for me..
Depending on results will depend if I'm on the Matt Taylor out bus or not.
With the league how it is we're going to need a very quick turn around in results and how we play or we're going to be walked over and find ourselves floundering at the bottom of the table
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 22, 2024 15:37:35 GMT
Matt needs a little more time to bring the change we hope to see. We played much better against Peterborough when Grant Ward came on. Him and conteh are a good combination. One thing I know is that Matt Taylor is possibly one of the most disengaging characters to run our football club. He struggles to emotionally connect in interviews or emotionally connect with fans. His interviews are dire. I wonder what he is like in the changing rooms or around the training ground. I would hope he was inspiring but I fear not. Too be honest, he didn’t inspire fans when I saw him at the summer friendly in Spain. Walking past 40 fans with no acknowledgement. I wait a little longer and remain hopeful. but loosing patience with the post match low key manager comments. Can’t imagine how this works in the changing rooms. Over to Matt to inspire everyone.Rich, whilst I agree with much of that and I hope MT can/will inspire everyone, and by that I presume you mean players, I don't necessarily expect him to inspire me. But I do expect the players to do their jobs, they don’t need to be inspired, just professional, do their jobs. They will be getting paid a very good wage so I would expect them to be professional and do the simple things well. For each of those goals yesterday they didn’t do that and for that the players are at fault not MT. I think we recruited well with some strikers for a change so I think GF and his team likely did their jobs well. But, without the results that’s just me being optimistic. They need to show they are the right players to wear the shirt. UTG! |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 22, 2024 15:43:47 GMT
Not sure it really makes any difference if the manager connects with the fans or not, as at the end of the day a manger lives and dies by his team's results. GC was really no better with connecting with fans than MT, possibly he was even worse, but most were gutted when he quit.
You can just sense being "business like" is just what the owners wanted when they were looking for a manager
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Post by brfc on Sept 22, 2024 16:03:01 GMT
I’ve tried to like Matt but this starts not been good enough last season wasn’t his players so that was the excuse but there can’t be one now. Just feels like the Garner season no.2 for me.
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Post by clockendgas on Sept 22, 2024 16:06:21 GMT
I'd rather a manager said nothing,than half the crap Barton spouted,not that I think either will go down as great managers,possibly just going down.
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Post by Kipper on Sept 22, 2024 18:09:20 GMT
The Exeter fans mentioned Matt Taylor was disengaging and rather dour when with them!
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 22, 2024 18:09:57 GMT
Funny how we all see it differently.
I don’t see him as unengaging at all. I think he interviews well. Maybe the interviews are too long. But content is interesting enough.
I’m much more worried about results but I do think it’s early days. 24th September 2021 we were sat in 22nd place in league two and we all know how that season ended.
Interesting mentioning GC as well I hardly remember anyone being gutted when he left. Most supporters were giving the guy who got us closest to a promotion season since 2001 grief. Drove him out of the club and we got Garner. Careful what you wish for.
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Post by Gassy on Sept 22, 2024 18:32:53 GMT
Should really get his 10 games, 7 is too little really. We've had a tough start to the season, but Pirates stats are pretty damning.
A couple of winnable games coming up in the next few weeks, get 6 points from the next 3 and we're looking at probably 11th after 10 games which would be a pretty solid start IMO.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 22, 2024 18:33:19 GMT
Funny how we all see it differently. I don’t see him as unengaging at all. I think he interviews well. Maybe the interviews are too long. But content is interesting enough. I’m much more worried about results but I do think it’s early days. 24th September 2021 we were sat in 22nd place in league two and we all know how that season ended. Interesting mentioning GC as well I hardly remember anyone being gutted when he left. Most supporters were giving the guy who got us closest to a promotion season since 2001 grief. Drove him out of the club and we got Garner. Careful what you wish for. Not sure that was the case given that we'd just won at Ipswich and so looked like we might challenge for the play offs? It's still baffling now what went on at that time. If MT was winning games I doubt anybody would mention whether he's engaging or not. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 22, 2024 18:56:24 GMT
The Exeter fans mentioned Matt Taylor was disengaging and rather dour when with them! The ones I've spoken to didn't say that, they said the opposite. Check out the video they put out when he left. Plenty of passion with them as a player and a manager. One fan even commented on it Taylor was the reason he bought his season ticket🤣. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 22, 2024 20:27:13 GMT
Should really get his 10 games, 7 is too little really. We've had a tough start to the season, but Pirates stats are pretty damning. A couple of winnable games coming up in the next few weeks, get 6 points from the next 3 and we're looking at probably 11th after 10 games which would be a pretty solid start IMO. Wycombe's looking a massive game as if we can't get anything out of that match then you can't see us beating Charlton or Burton away. |
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Post by Somersetgas on Sept 22, 2024 20:30:14 GMT
The Exeter fans mentioned Matt Taylor was disengaging and rather dour when with them! The ones I've spoken to didn't say that, they said the opposite. Check out the video they put out when he left. Plenty of passion with them as a player and a manager. One fan even commented on it Taylor was the reason he bought his season ticket🤣. Perhaps he should go back there then, all this giving him ten games is nearly a quarter of a season. What’s improved? I guess we didn’t end as nil yesterday for a change. |
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Post by gashead79 on Sept 22, 2024 21:46:46 GMT
Should really get his 10 games, 7 is too little really. We've had a tough start to the season, but Pirates stats are pretty damning. A couple of winnable games coming up in the next few weeks, get 6 points from the next 3 and we're looking at probably 11th after 10 games which would be a pretty solid start IMO. Hahaha 6 points from 3 games would be fantastic. It can happen but let's be honest, it is unlikely. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 22, 2024 21:56:01 GMT
The ones I've spoken to didn't say that, they said the opposite. Check out the video they put out when he left. Plenty of passion with them as a player and a manager. One fan even commented on it Taylor was the reason he bought his season ticket🤣. Perhaps he should go back there then, all this giving him ten games is nearly a quarter of a season. What’s improved? I guess we didn’t end as nil yesterday for a change. It's a new squad. Barton signed a new squad in League 2. After 8 games, we had 7 points that season. It takes a while for the players to settle in, for the manager to get to know the players. Under DC in non league with a new squad we had 8 points after 7 games. I would give him a few more games, it's been no where near good enough, but I think people forget what has happened previously. In both of those seasons fans were calling for the managers head and saying what difference will a few more games make. |
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