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Post by igotgas on Sept 23, 2024 13:09:52 GMT
The problem is we are not an attacking team. We have exciting attacking players I believe but the problem is to MT that defending is more important. ~.This 3 at the back is rubbish -it isnt three at the back the way Taylor plays it. It is three plus the two wing backs plus two defensive midfield players then the three left are dragged back for every corner/free kick. What attacking can they do? Our system if that is what it can be called is constant pressure put on ourselves as we dont ever pressurise as a team. Only Promise pushes the opposition defence an d the battle cannot be won by one player, the front three have to press as a unit. I dont want to see Luke Thomas tackling a player as last man- I want to see him running at players and scoring goals. We are just using players to make up for poor defending by individuals- you take pressure off defenders by attacking. What is the point of just standing back and letting opponents bring the ball outthen they hoof it forward and the next thing you know they have a corner and we have ALL our players back and if it isnt a goal conceded it is hoofed out by us to nobody and back the opponents come. It is terrible to watch . MT makes so many changes that nobody gets a chance to feel part of the team. LM played well saturday but he knows if he plays poorly next game off he will go at half time. Hutchison is the same- MT does not give players runs in the team to gel.The only players who get to play together most matches with MT are the three defenders and half the tome they are the ones making the errors- Mola is the only defender who has been consistent. Only by giving players a run of games will we see any change. At present i see MT as a dour defensive Manager with very limited tactical ability. Good post and one I agree with entirely. The formation issue is an issue. Simple as that. It stifles opportunity to for attacking players into the formation. 3 quickly becomes 5 under any sort of pressure and with a midfield that has recently featured a collection of essentially defence based mentality it leaves 2 maybe 3 attacking players in the pitch. A 4-2-3-1 is often assumed to be defensive due to only ah ing one CF but if both your side men are wingers / strikers and your midfield has at least one attack minded player you can put pressure on teams higher up the pitch and in possession you have 4 attacking players plus the option of overlapping full backs to make it 6….. The chopping and changing in midfield is beyond a joke and I agree it’s offered no one any opportunity to settle. Too many have jumped on the easy narrative that it’s taking Hutchinson too long to adjust….his minutes on the pitch equate to LESS than 3 games of football!! Less than 3 games!!! To put that into context he’s played less minutes than Garrett…hes played over 120 mins LESS than Ward….he’s played 300 minutes LESS than Thomas, Sotiriou missed an entire pre season and has played 100 mins more and Promise has scored in one game yet he’s also racked up 300 more! Same can be said for McCormick who despite only starting one, if you include the Caraboa Cup even hes played more mins than Hutchinson! None of Macca, Hutchinson, Garrett, Lindsay and now probably even Shaw and Thomas have done enough to nail down a guaranteed starting position but they also all know they are 60 mins max away from being dragged off and / or being left out the following week. MT said himself post match that players can’t play without confidence, it makes them timid and afraid of mistakes. That’s been more than evident in all of those players. Even if selected they know that they are likely to come off and very likely not to start the following game. That’s not a way of breeding consistency or heightening performance. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 23, 2024 13:49:47 GMT
We were effectively 2 points off the relegation zone, as Wigan were in a false position and would have been above us, if they were not deducted points. We were 7 points of the play offs, with one game in hand as Stevenage were 7th. Barton had 7 points from his first 8 games in League 2 with a new squad at a similar stage of his managerial career with us. We currently have 7 after 7 games. So get a point against Wycombe and he's doing better. It's not been good enough, but we were struggling when Barton left and he had years to build that squad. Their records are similar at the same stage, but we are in a harder league now with a less experienced squad. Taylor's record was better than Barton's, when they were in the same league. Taylor is close to the edge and it will be hard to come back from this, but I would give him a few more games. I would have given Barton a few more games as well, but I can see why he went. Of course what you never mentioned is we had 2 games in hand of Carlisle who were out of the relegation zone with a 3 point cushion (better GD). Win one game in hand 6 points above zone seems comfortable to me !. 2 point cushion and we might not have won the games in hand. You can't count 5 goals as a point 🤣. I said I would have given Barton a few more games? You didn't mention Barton's worst record in a lower league? |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Sept 23, 2024 14:04:37 GMT
Of course what you never mentioned is we had 2 games in hand of Carlisle who were out of the relegation zone with a 3 point cushion (better GD). Win one game in hand 6 points above zone seems comfortable to me !. 2 point cushion and we might not have won the games in hand. You can't count 5 goals as a point 🤣. I said I would have given Barton a few more games? You didn't mention Barton's worst record in a lower league? We had 16 points from 13 . Get a geek to divide pro rota and add it to 2 games in hand . Either way we never looked liked getting relegated . Mid table bordom maybe . |
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Post by percy on Sept 23, 2024 14:37:19 GMT
Any decision on MT has nothing to do with the sacking last year. Put aside the "baggage" he had, it was also the start of his 3rd full season, and lots of promises were made.
Comparisons to the Garner era are probably better and we know where that sacking left us.
Forget MT's personality for a second. The players need time and support (who ever is in charge), we have much better squad as a whole than with BG era and a lot more attacking options which was that teams biggest problem. I was excited by the squad at the beginning of the season, and still am now.
Whether the owners decide the current manager has 4 weeks, til Xmas or longer to see some tangible progress, who knows. I just get a little fed up with the way over the top levels of criticism after SEVEN league games! It wont be helping these young players one bit.
Anyway. UTG.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 23, 2024 14:55:24 GMT
You've failed to mention MT spent up to £1.5m on transfer fees this summer, the most JB was ever given was around £500K, plus he turned AC & Evo into £1m+ players, MT probably devalued most of his signings so far.
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Sept 23, 2024 15:03:06 GMT
Any decision on MT has nothing to do with the sacking last year. Put aside the "baggage" he had, it was also the start of his 3rd full season, and lots of promises were made. Comparisons to the Garner era are probably better and we know where that sacking left us. Forget MT's personality for a second. The players need time and support (who ever is in charge), we have much better squad as a whole than with BG era and a lot more attacking options which was that teams biggest problem. I was excited by the squad at the beginning of the season, and still am now. Whether the owners decide the current manager has 4 weeks, til Xmas or longer to see some tangible progress, who knows. I just get a little fed up with the way over the top levels of criticism after SEVEN league games! It wont be helping these young players one bit. Anyway. UTG. I completely agree… I find it ludicrous at the vociferous criticism that is being levelled here at the moment. We’ve had one horrific performance (Wigan) who despite their lowly position at the time we always knew was going to be a really tough game and then for the first half against Peterborough where we paid them way too much respect and were overly passive… don’t forget, we had the first chance in the Peterborough game and also a couple towards half time where we could have undeservedly gone in level. Also the goals Peterborough scored were all from our own mistakes… For the majority of the 2nd half we were dominant and completely on top and Peterborough were on the ropes - it was just a matter of time before we scored the equaliser and we really should have right at the death and deservedly so. It was the pure definition of a game of 2 halves and we just ran out of time… We have a very young and inexperienced team - we are 100% going to be inconsistent and that is what we are… it’s not that we are a poor team or have a clueless manager, it is youthful naivety that is what is costing us. We are building a platform for the future and a more sustainable model where we don’t recruit a team of average but competitive journey men who will have no future sell on value… Our performances HAVE been better in the main this season and as the squad spend more time together in a competitive environment, we will only get stronger and better. For those who want Taylor sacked, who do we see replacing him? Holloway? - very much past it and not had a successful managerial position in years and years Mansell? - was a great player and would be a great coach but failed in his one and only managerial role at Gloucester Schumacher? - why would he come to us? Has no links and over than his limited experience with Plymouth , where is his track record to demonstrate he’d be better than what we’ve got? Leam Richardson - similar to Schumacher Ryan Lowe - same again… none of them have had sustained success… Everything will come good, but we need to be patient and not so fickle! |
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Sept 23, 2024 15:08:05 GMT
You've failed to mention MT spent up to £1.5m on transfer fees this summer, the most JB was ever given was around £500K, plus he turned AC & Evo into £1m+ players, MT probably devalued most of his signings so far. JB spent more than that - maybe not in transfer fees direct but in wages and signing on fees which are not disclosed. MT may have spent an average amount for League One in transfer fees but wages are significantly lower and the type of players are completely different with the potential of generating excess revenue for the club over and above what JB did… MT got fees for Hoole, Connolly etc - and as with every manager, for every good signing there will be one that doesn’t work out. When you say he devalued them is that really true or did we pay over inflated fees in the first place? Thinking Connolly here who was great on loan in league 2, generally struggled for consistency in League 1 and even Barton didn’t play him |
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Post by alasitsgas on Sept 23, 2024 15:10:42 GMT
could it be, yes it could our present manager have the dubious title of managed 2 teams from the same league
and both relegated in the same season.Hope i am wrong,i do hope so!
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Post by pirate on Sept 23, 2024 15:39:07 GMT
Any decision on MT has nothing to do with the sacking last year. Put aside the "baggage" he had, it was also the start of his 3rd full season, and lots of promises were made. Comparisons to the Garner era are probably better and we know where that sacking left us. Forget MT's personality for a second. The players need time and support (who ever is in charge), we have much better squad as a whole than with BG era and a lot more attacking options which was that teams biggest problem. I was excited by the squad at the beginning of the season, and still am now. Whether the owners decide the current manager has 4 weeks, til Xmas or longer to see some tangible progress, who knows. I just get a little fed up with the way over the top levels of criticism after SEVEN league games! It wont be helping these young players one bit. Anyway. UTG. I completely agree… I find it ludicrous at the vociferous criticism that is being levelled her at the moment. We’ve had one horrific performance (Wigan) who despite their lowly position at the time we always knew was going to be a really tough game and then for the first half against Peterborough where we paid them way too much respect and were overly passive… don’t forget, we had the first chance in the Peterborough game and also a couple towards half time where we could have undeservedly gone in level. Also the goals Peterborough scored were all from our own mistakes… For the majority of the 2nd half we were dominant and completely on top and Peterborough were on the ropes - it was just a matter of time before we scored the equaliser and we really should have right at the death and deservedly so. It was the pure definition of a game of 2 halves and we just ran out of money… We have a very young and inexperienced team - we are 100% going to be inconsistent and that is what we are… it’s not that we are a poor team or have a clueless manager, it is youthful naivety that is what is costing us. We are building a platform for the future and a more sustainable model where we don’t recruit a team of average but competitive journey men who will have no future sell on value… Our performances HAVE been better in the main this season and as the squad spend more time together in a competitive environment, we will only get stronger and better. For those who want Taylor sacked, who do we see replacing him? Holloway? - very much past it and not had a successful managerial position in years and years Mansell? - was a great player and would be a great coach but failed in his one and only managerial role at Gloucester Schumacher? - why would he come to us? Has no links and over than his limited experience with Plymouth , where is his track record to demonstrate he’d be better than what we’ve got? Leam Richardson - similar to Schumacher Ryan Lowe - same again… none of them have had sustained success… Everything will come good, but we need to be patient and not so fickle! Just be patient Gasheads, everything will come good eventually. Lol. Sadly the evidence suggests otherwise. I have to disagree, I think we have been very consistent since Taylor's arrival, consistently crap!
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Post by Smithy Gas on Sept 23, 2024 15:40:01 GMT
You've failed to mention MT spent up to £1.5m on transfer fees this summer, the most JB was ever given was around £500K, plus he turned AC & Evo into £1m+ players, MT probably devalued most of his signings so far. JB spent more than that - maybe not in transfer fees direct but in wages and signing on fees which are not disclosed. MT may have spent an average amount for League One in transfer fees but wages are significantly lower and the type of players are completely different with the potential of generating excess revenue for the club over and above what JB did… MT got fees for Hoole, Connolly etc - and as with every manager, for every good signing there will be one that doesn’t work out. When you say he devalued them is that really true or did we pay over inflated fees in the first place? Thinking Connolly here who was great on loan in league 2, generally struggled for consistency in League 1 and even Barton didn’t play him Not to mention they can't be £1M+ players if we sell them for a bag of pork scratchings. Between them. |
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Post by socrates on Sept 23, 2024 15:42:14 GMT
We simply have to trust the process. The majority of the squad are on lengthy contracts, so we have to give it time. Still some strange results in this division as teams work out their best starting 11 For me the real blow was losing Senior, we now have no available right sided defender ( will we ever see Hunt again?) and it’s showing. I’d be seriously scouring the market for out of contract full backs either side!! Just hoping the home games don’t become toxic as these are young players who need our support. UTG Trust what process, MT having another relegation on his CV come the end of the season? At some point the owners will have to act if MT shows no signs of getting results, if we carry on as we there's not going to be a light bulb moment, where MT suddenly realises where it's been going wrong. The next two home games are a good opportunity to see if he can turn things around. If he can't you can't see us getting many points from Burton(A), Blackpool(H), Huddersfield(A) If he doesn’t pick up at least one win from our next two home games he should be sacked. Easy for me to say mind it won’t be me paying him off for the next year or two. I’m really disappointed that he’s brought in hardly any pace , no midfield general and we’re basically playing 532 every week with Jo width in attacking areas and no one to get a grip of the midfield. It’s been pretty sh**e and needs to improve. |
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Post by socrates on Sept 23, 2024 15:43:09 GMT
Trust what process, MT having another relegation on his CV come the end of the season? At some point the owners will have to act if MT shows no signs of getting results, if we carry on as we there's not going to be a light bulb moment, where MT suddenly realises where it's been going wrong. The next two home games are a good opportunity to see if he can turn things around. If he can't you can't see us getting many points from Burton(A), Blackpool(H), Huddersfield(A) If he doesn’t pick up at least one win from our next two home games he should be sacked. Easy for me to say mind it won’t be me paying him off for the next year or two. I’m really disappointed that he’s brought in hardly any pace , no midfield general and we’re basically playing 532 every week with no width in attacking areas and no one to get a grip of the midfield. It’s been pretty sh**e and needs to improve. |
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Post by mrgasman on Sept 23, 2024 16:05:07 GMT
Any decision on MT has nothing to do with the sacking last year. Put aside the "baggage" he had, it was also the start of his 3rd full season, and lots of promises were made. Comparisons to the Garner era are probably better and we know where that sacking left us. Forget MT's personality for a second. The players need time and support (who ever is in charge), we have much better squad as a whole than with BG era and a lot more attacking options which was that teams biggest problem. I was excited by the squad at the beginning of the season, and still am now. Whether the owners decide the current manager has 4 weeks, til Xmas or longer to see some tangible progress, who knows. I just get a little fed up with the way over the top levels of criticism after SEVEN league games! It wont be helping these young players one bit. Anyway. UTG. 7 league games and the 19 last season…… he averages 1 point a game… shocking! |
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Post by pirate on Sept 23, 2024 16:10:44 GMT
Any decision on MT has nothing to do with the sacking last year. Put aside the "baggage" he had, it was also the start of his 3rd full season, and lots of promises were made. Comparisons to the Garner era are probably better and we know where that sacking left us. Forget MT's personality for a second. The players need time and support (who ever is in charge), we have much better squad as a whole than with BG era and a lot more attacking options which was that teams biggest problem. I was excited by the squad at the beginning of the season, and still am now. Whether the owners decide the current manager has 4 weeks, til Xmas or longer to see some tangible progress, who knows. I just get a little fed up with the way over the top levels of criticism after SEVEN league games! It wont be helping these young players one bit. Anyway. UTG. 7 league games and the 19 last season…… he averages 1 point a game… shocking! Woeful  |
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Sept 23, 2024 16:16:15 GMT
I completely agree… I find it ludicrous at the vociferous criticism that is being levelled her at the moment. We’ve had one horrific performance (Wigan) who despite their lowly position at the time we always knew was going to be a really tough game and then for the first half against Peterborough where we paid them way too much respect and were overly passive… don’t forget, we had the first chance in the Peterborough game and also a couple towards half time where we could have undeservedly gone in level. Also the goals Peterborough scored were all from our own mistakes… For the majority of the 2nd half we were dominant and completely on top and Peterborough were on the ropes - it was just a matter of time before we scored the equaliser and we really should have right at the death and deservedly so. It was the pure definition of a game of 2 halves and we just ran out of money… We have a very young and inexperienced team - we are 100% going to be inconsistent and that is what we are… it’s not that we are a poor team or have a clueless manager, it is youthful naivety that is what is costing us. We are building a platform for the future and a more sustainable model where we don’t recruit a team of average but competitive journey men who will have no future sell on value… Our performances HAVE been better in the main this season and as the squad spend more time together in a competitive environment, we will only get stronger and better. For those who want Taylor sacked, who do we see replacing him? Holloway? - very much past it and not had a successful managerial position in years and years Mansell? - was a great player and would be a great coach but failed in his one and only managerial role at Gloucester Schumacher? - why would he come to us? Has no links and over than his limited experience with Plymouth , where is his track record to demonstrate he’d be better than what we’ve got? Leam Richardson - similar to Schumacher Ryan Lowe - same again… none of them have had sustained success… Everything will come good, but we need to be patient and not so fickle! Just be patient Gasheads, everything will come good eventually. Lol. Sadly the evidence suggests otherwise. I have to disagree, I think we have been very consistent since Taylor's arrival, consistently crap!
"Our performances HAVE been better in the main this season and as the squad spend more time together in a competitive environment, we will only get stronger and better."
👇🏻 As you well know, stats do not always tell a true reflection on everything and you can always twist stats to suit any agenda. I should know as I spend every day using and manipulating stats to support decision make and arguments in my job. Football is not black and white - it is full of variables and influences and heavily directed by the individuals on the pitch. Stats only portray a partial picture and having watched pretty much every game last and this season I can see that there is improvement in our overall general play, our variation between passing approach play and a more direct style with more crossfield passes etc …. The football under GC was turgid, direct and not a pleasant watch but got us results, under BG it was too much possession and side to side passing trying to probe for an opening that we never took when it came and was dull, Barton’s was better in League 2 and high excitement because we were generally so much stronger than everyone else and was more gun ho with a focus entirely on attack and under MT it is a high press energetic defend from the front and a focus on defend first to create the platform. To me it is a better watch generally but our naivety of youth has cost us and it will take time to bed in with such a young squad and a complete overhaul in players, philosophy and style this season. It is also heavily confidence based and influenced with such young players In my opinion we can’t align last season to this as last season had so many impacting differential factors - completely different squad, different philosophies that had been brought in under 3 different managers, different player profiles etc… I know you like to scout and you are very reliant on your stats but surely as a scout you recognise that that doesn’t account for personality, human behaviours and personal life influences, confidence, the teams you are up against (who have all changed too)… etc? Having managed football teams, it is completely different to scouting and there are so many multi dimensional aspects to every game and so many things that influence the end result - many that the manager has no control over (referee decision making, players making individual errors or mistakes to name but 2)…. The goals conceded Saturday were as a result of player mistakes not anything coached and once the 2nd went in, we were devoid of confidence in that first half. Your stats paint a picture but not the whole picture and definitely does not give a clear view on whether performances have been generally improved or not…. Just my opinion that I know many won’t agree with |
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Post by pirate on Sept 23, 2024 16:24:10 GMT
Just be patient Gasheads, everything will come good eventually. Lol. Sadly the evidence suggests otherwise. I have to disagree, I think we have been very consistent since Taylor's arrival, consistently crap!
"Our performances HAVE been better in the main this season and as the squad spend more time together in a competitive environment, we will only get stronger and better."
👇🏻 As you well know, stats do not always tell a true reflection on everything and you can always twist stats to suit any agenda. I should know as I spend every day using and manipulating stats to support decision make and arguments in my job. Football is not black and white - it is full of variables and influences and heavily directed by the individuals on the pitch. Stats only portray a partial picture and having watched pretty much every game last and this season I can see that there is improvement in our overall general play, our variation between passing approach play and a more direct style with more crossfield passes etc …. The football under GC was turgid, direct and not a pleasant watch but got us results, under BG it was too much possession and side to side passing trying to probe for an opening that we never took when it came and was dull, Barton’s was better in League 2 and high excitement because we were generally so much stronger than everyone else and was more gun ho with a focus entirely on attack and under MT it is a high press energetic defend from the front and a focus on defend first to create the platform. To me it is a better watch generally but our naivety of youth has cost us and it will take time to bed in with such a young squad and a complete overhaul in players, philosophy and style this season. It is also heavily confidence based and influenced with such young players In my opinion we can’t align last season to this as last season had so many impacting differential factors - completely different squad, different philosophies that had been brought in under 3 different managers, different player profiles etc… I know you like to scout and you are very reliant on your stats but surely as a scout you recognise that that doesn’t account for personality, human behaviours and personal life influences, confidence, the teams you are up against (who have all changed too)… etc? Having managed football teams, it is completely different to scouting and there are so many multi dimensional aspects to every game and so many things that influence the end result - many that the manager has no control over (referee decision making, players making individual errors or mistakes to name but 2)…. The goals conceded Saturday were as a result of player mistakes not anything coached and once the 2nd went in, we were devoid of confidence in that first half. Your stats paint a picture but not the whole picture and definitely does not give a clear view on whether performances have been generally improved or not…. Just my opinion that I know many won’t agree with We'll have to agree to disagree on performances. What is clear though is our goals scored and conceded are at similarly pathetic levels and the points per match is getting worse, ala Taylor at Rotherham. All the evidence to me suggests we are heading one way...  |
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Sept 23, 2024 16:39:47 GMT
As you well know, stats do not always tell a true reflection on everything and you can always twist stats to suit any agenda. I should know as I spend every day using and manipulating stats to support decision make and arguments in my job. Football is not black and white - it is full of variables and influences and heavily directed by the individuals on the pitch. Stats only portray a partial picture and having watched pretty much every game last and this season I can see that there is improvement in our overall general play, our variation between passing approach play and a more direct style with more crossfield passes etc …. The football under GC was turgid, direct and not a pleasant watch but got us results, under BG it was too much possession and side to side passing trying to probe for an opening that we never took when it came and was dull, Barton’s was better in League 2 and high excitement because we were generally so much stronger than everyone else and was more gun ho with a focus entirely on attack and under MT it is a high press energetic defend from the front and a focus on defend first to create the platform. To me it is a better watch generally but our naivety of youth has cost us and it will take time to bed in with such a young squad and a complete overhaul in players, philosophy and style this season. It is also heavily confidence based and influenced with such young players In my opinion we can’t align last season to this as last season had so many impacting differential factors - completely different squad, different philosophies that had been brought in under 3 different managers, different player profiles etc… I know you like to scout and you are very reliant on your stats but surely as a scout you recognise that that doesn’t account for personality, human behaviours and personal life influences, confidence, the teams you are up against (who have all changed too)… etc? Having managed football teams, it is completely different to scouting and there are so many multi dimensional aspects to every game and so many things that influence the end result - many that the manager has no control over (referee decision making, players making individual errors or mistakes to name but 2)…. The goals conceded Saturday were as a result of player mistakes not anything coached and once the 2nd went in, we were devoid of confidence in that first half. Your stats paint a picture but not the whole picture and definitely does not give a clear view on whether performances have been generally improved or not…. Just my opinion that I know many won’t agree with We'll have to agree to disagree on performances. What is clear though is our goals scored and conceded are at similarly pathetic levels and the points per match is getting worse, ala Taylor at Rotherham. All the evidence to me suggests we are heading one way... You may end up being right - my argument is that 7 games into a brand new season with brand new players and a completely different ethos is too soon to be able to make that call, especially considering the opposition we have faced and how they have strengthened and the expectations on where they’ll end up…. Just look at Bolton - do we believe that they’ll still be this low in the table at the end of the season? I don’t for one minute claim to think that we’re top 6 or promotion candidates but I seriously do think we’ll end up mid table and that’s the aim for this season imo… it’s a season of consolidation and laying foundations… I know we don’t agree and have differing views on this but where we do agree is that it’s best for us to agree to disagree 👍 |
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Post by pirate on Sept 23, 2024 16:53:53 GMT
We'll have to agree to disagree on performances. What is clear though is our goals scored and conceded are at similarly pathetic levels and the points per match is getting worse, ala Taylor at Rotherham. All the evidence to me suggests we are heading one way... You may end up being right - my argument is that 7 games into a brand new season with brand new players and a completely different ethos is too soon to be able to make that call, especially considering the opposition we have faced and how they have strengthened and the expectations on where they’ll end up…. Just look at Bolton - do we believe that they’ll still be this low in the table at the end of the season? I don’t for one minute claim to think that we’re top 6 or promotion candidates but I seriously do think we’ll end up mid table and that’s the aim for this season imo… it’s a season of consolidation and laying foundations… I know we don’t agree and have differing views on this but where we do agree is that it’s best for us to agree to disagree 👍 Some of the underlying data suggests Bolton are in a false position and from my knowledge of their squad I would concur, but the data suggests we are exactly where we deserve to be and little signs of encouragement. My own eyes tell me the same and I've seen every game under Taylor. We have the players for a mid table finish, the only problem is the manager and his team selections, tactical ineptitude and awful football. Happy to agree to disagree 👍🏻 |
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Post by gashead79 on Sept 23, 2024 16:55:05 GMT
We'll have to agree to disagree on performances. What is clear though is our goals scored and conceded are at similarly pathetic levels and the points per match is getting worse, ala Taylor at Rotherham. All the evidence to me suggests we are heading one way... You may end up being right - my argument is that 7 games into a brand new season with brand new players and a completely different ethos is too soon to be able to make that call, especially considering the opposition we have faced and how they have strengthened and the expectations on where they’ll end up…. Just look at Bolton - do we believe that they’ll still be this low in the table at the end of the season? I don’t for one minute claim to think that we’re top 6 or promotion candidates but I seriously do think we’ll end up mid table and that’s the aim for this season imo… it’s a season of consolidation and laying foundations… I know we don’t agree and have differing views on this but where we do agree is that it’s best for us to agree to disagree 👍 7 games is plenty enough to see that our Manager doesn't really know what he's doing, neither do the players. Unfortunately for us, the other Managers can see this which is why we've been outplayed and outgunned in most games. Our team aren't even busting a gut to force an issue. We are often languid, lazy and full of basic errors. Something is seriously wrong. I hope he turns it around but there's zero evidence that is going to happen. We are going to ship alot of goals because the set up is negative and too defensive. This only gives up attacking intent to the other side. |
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Post by eric on Sept 23, 2024 16:55:16 GMT
Hopefully things will turn around soon but I’ve got to be honest I’m not very confident. MT doesn’t seem to have the players busting a gut for him, he seems to have no idea what his best side is, players individual performances seem to be getting worse not better under him, the formation doesn’t really suit us and player confidence looks to be at similar levels to our last relegation team.
If things don’t change there will be a point that which it’s more dangerous to retain MT than sack him - I think most would agree that is the case but we’ll be divided on when that point gets reached. Momentum is massive in sport and if we get into that bottom four it will get harder and harder to change that direction. Worrying times.
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