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Post by eric on Sept 23, 2024 17:01:21 GMT
You may end up being right - my argument is that 7 games into a brand new season with brand new players and a completely different ethos is too soon to be able to make that call, especially considering the opposition we have faced and how they have strengthened and the expectations on where they’ll end up…. Just look at Bolton - do we believe that they’ll still be this low in the table at the end of the season? I don’t for one minute claim to think that we’re top 6 or promotion candidates but I seriously do think we’ll end up mid table and that’s the aim for this season imo… it’s a season of consolidation and laying foundations… I know we don’t agree and have differing views on this but where we do agree is that it’s best for us to agree to disagree 👍 7 games is plenty enough to see that our Manager doesn't really know what he's doing, neither do the players. Unfortunately for us, the other Managers can see this which is why we've been outplayed and outgunned in most games. Our team aren't even busting a gut to force an issue. We are often languid, lazy and full of basic errors. Something is seriously wrong.I hope he turns it around but there's zero evidence that is going to happen. We are going to ship alot of goals because the set up is negative and too defensive. This only gives up attacking intent to the other side. Confidence can probably account for all of that. It’s mad how such a malaise and lack of confidence can have set into a new squad in such a short space of time. The players look completely lost, rudderless and devoid of ideas the minute they go behind. Their body language as soon as they go a goal behind looks like a team adrift at the bottom toward the end of the season not one still in September 🙁.
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Post by gasheadontour on Sept 23, 2024 17:06:41 GMT
To be fair to MT, the end of last season was very difficult as so many players were going to be out of contract and released with little to play for. This season there are a lot of new players most of whom are youngsters.
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Post by vaughan on Sept 23, 2024 17:31:13 GMT
Of most concern to me is the lack of a discernible style of play, despite concepts such as a new fast-paced style. The players seem to lack confidence. The Manager described it as like a Development Academy team on Saturday. His words...and worrying as a future performance indicator.
Ultimately, it's a results, not a hope and promise, business. MT is aware of this and I don't see the ownership's patience lasting beyond end of October.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 23, 2024 18:23:46 GMT
To be fair to MT, the end of last season was very difficult as so many players were going to be out of contract and relased with little to play for. This season there are a lot of new players most of whom are youngsters. On Saturday our best performers according to Dan Hargreaves were Griffiths and Sousa, our worst Taylor, Wilson and Bola, it sounds like the more senior players are letting us down. What I can't understand is why we've started our last two, possibly three, away games so poorly, surely youngsters can start off on the front foot even if they struggle once we concede a goal. Although we only seem to start playing when we are behind.
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Post by DrFaustus on Sept 23, 2024 18:40:10 GMT
To be fair to MT, the end of last season was very difficult as so many players were going to be out of contract and relased with little to play for. This season there are a lot of new players most of whom are youngsters. On Saturday our best performers according to Dan Hargreaves were Griffiths and Sousa, our worst Taylor, Wilson and Bola, it sounds like the more senior players are letting us down. What I can't understand is why we've started our last two, possibly three, away games so poorly, surely youngsters can start off on the front foot even if they struggle once we concede a goal. Although we only seem to start playing when we are behind. Bola last played for us in 2018 and Connor Taylor is 22 years old, hardly senior. If you mean Clinton Mola, he's played a grand total of 33 senior games in his career and is 23 years old. As for James Wilson, he's probably flabbergasted by the ineptitude of the manager's tactics at the moment. If Jimmy is lost, just imagine how the others feel.
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Post by igotgas on Sept 23, 2024 19:00:47 GMT
As you well know, stats do not always tell a true reflection on everything and you can always twist stats to suit any agenda. I should know as I spend every day using and manipulating stats to support decision make and arguments in my job. I challenge you to twist any of those stats to give the appearance that we are doing ok or making improvements or in fact been better than any of the results have suggested…. Football is not black and white - it is full of variables and influences and heavily directed by the individuals on the pitch. Stats only portray a partial picture and having watched pretty much every game last and this season I can see that there is improvement in our overall general play, our variation between passing approach play and a more direct style with more crossfield passes etc …. Agree with that but I simply cannot understand where or how you think there is an improvement in our play? The perception of so many individual performances are so far removed from what they are actually doing based on things ranging from their perceived “pressing” which amounts to little more than chasing crisp packets in the wind, to the “that’s the best we’ve been with the ball” when it was less possession than the previous game, to a fan favourite based on the fact he’s a lovely lad and smiles loads which has bought him a shed load of patience on his actual performances to the “he’s finding the step into league one tough” when he’s been no worse than regular league one players, to the “it’s a young squad” when it’s actually older than our opponents, to the “we’re so solid defensively” when the GK has had 5 MoMs in 7 games…..it’s a load of nonsense and anyone who’s played coached or watched a lot of football can see it and being taken for a fool is just insulting and condescending by the manager. under MT it is a high press energetic defend from the front and a focus on defend first to create the platform. This high press nonsense is exactly that too. The “high press” has been fed by fans who for some reason have been massively impressed by a few players playing crap but winning approval for running around chasing crisp packets in the wind. An actual high press involves a co-ordinated effort to force play one direction using tactical set up and various “traps” to encourage teams to do something that you’ve preempted and are ready to take the ball from them when they either fall into the trap or run out of options or take the ball into trouble. It involves every single player and is a tactical way of defending that involves incredible energy. We have shown the energy but I see no evidence whatsoever of any tactical plan to execute it. but our naivety of youth has cost us and it will take time to bed in with such a young squad and a complete overhaul in players, philosophy and style this season. It’s not that young a squad! MT made my sh** itch Saturday when he said they play like a development squad!! That’s as big an insult he can throw at his own players as is humanly possible!!! They are making naive mistakes because every single player looks sh** scared of taking the ball and being brave enough to be a game changer. MT is making them feel like development players by criticising everything that doesn’t actually come off and shouting and screaming at players to tell them what to do because he doesn’t trust them to make their own decision and think for themselves. It is also heavily confidence based and influenced with such young players I can see that confidence is shot to sh**. My prediction is the next few games we’ll go more direct because the manager shows no belief in his players and can feel it. Players aren’t reacting naturally to any given situation they’re ponderous and second guessing themselves and that’s a clear sign of lacking confidence. I actually think he’s done. I think the players are done with him already. In my opinion we can’t align last season to this as last season had so many impacting differential factors - completely different squad, different philosophies that had been brought in under 3 different managers, different player profiles etc… That’s lower league football for you. Bjt by now even if we aren’t free flowing I’d expect to see evidence of a plan of a system of a pattern. I see none. In fact it’s got worse in my eyes. I know you like to scout and you are very reliant on your stats but surely as a scout you recognise that that doesn’t account for personality, human behaviours and personal life influences, confidence Of course. I agree with this completely. But I think that’s a problem the manager is displaying too!! What allowance has he made for players to settle in? To adjust to life at a new club on a new city with new team mates? He’s just dragged them off, left them out or bombed them from the squad completely. He’s almost demanded that they are devoid of human behaviours and he’s done nothing to assist confidence levels particularly from our creative players who rely on that the most. Having managed football teams, it is completely different to scouting and there are so many multi dimensional aspects to every game and so many things that influence the end result - many that the manager has no control over (referee decision making, players making individual errors or mistakes to name but 2)…. Agree but give me one game that we’ve lost or dropped points this season due to a referee decision? Individual errors have largely come from poor tactical decisions and poor coaching, whether it’s a mistake or poor technique to execute a situation or a complete inability to be able to retain possession or constrict attacks that prevent opposition from dominating games. The goals conceded Saturday were as a result of player mistakes not anything coached and once the 2nd went in, we were devoid of confidence in that first half. Disagree. Player mistakes were actually a result of poor coaching poor selection and poor positioning. That’s the coaches job to have it right. Confidence was shot before we kicked off and that tells me they have no confidence in the man in charge or his methods. Your stats paint a picture but not the whole picture and definitely does not give a clear view on whether performances have been generally improved or not….Just my opinion that I know many won’t agree with It’s a fair opinion and I like your post in general and it’s well thought out and written - personally I just don’t agree with it 🤣😜
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 23, 2024 19:04:10 GMT
Compared to the other two they are more senior, Given Mola's played all over Europe, with Chelsea U23, Stuttgart, Blackburn and Reading, I can't see playing at Rovers is too big a step for him to contend with.
Although if you are blaming Taylor's tactics etc then that supports my point anyway that it's not just down to players being inexperienced.
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Post by DrFaustus on Sept 23, 2024 19:12:47 GMT
Topper...Griffiths is older than C Taylor. Still, you know best.
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 23, 2024 20:30:25 GMT
2 point cushion and we might not have won the games in hand. You can't count 5 goals as a point 🤣. I said I would have given Barton a few more games? You didn't mention Barton's worst record in a lower league? We had 16 points from 13 . Get a geek to divide pro rota and add it to 2 games in hand . Either way we never looked liked getting relegated . Mid table bordom maybe . We had 7 points from 8 games in League 2. That was at the same stage as Taylor now, first full season with a new squad. That's the season to compare. Barton had years to build last seasons squad.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 23, 2024 21:12:32 GMT
We had 16 points from 13 . Get a geek to divide pro rota and add it to 2 games in hand . Either way we never looked liked getting relegated . Mid table bordom maybe . We had 7 points from 8 games in League 2. That was at the same stage as Taylor now, first full season with a new squad. That's the season to compare. Barton had years to build last seasons squad. How do JB have years to build a L1 squad, he only had two summers as he couldn't build one when we were in L2, particularly how we got promotion on the last day of the season. Although the promoted squad started off OK. As things stand there's less glimmers of hope MT will turn things around than JB, or even BG, showed, when he was sacked. If we're still losing convincingly after our next two home games there really is no hope that MT can suddenly turn things around. JB had also proved that he could manage at L1 level with Fleetwood, MT just as 11 L1 games on his CV.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 23, 2024 21:18:11 GMT
Topper...Griffiths is older than C Taylor. Still, you know best. Everybody seems to accept goalies develop later, regardless my doubts about MT seem to have spread to most of the fan base, apart from Daniel.
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Post by William Wilson on Sept 24, 2024 5:48:46 GMT
Any decision on MT has nothing to do with the sacking last year. Put aside the "baggage" he had, it was also the start of his 3rd full season, and lots of promises were made. Comparisons to the Garner era are probably better and we know where that sacking left us. Forget MT's personality for a second. The players need time and support (who ever is in charge), we have much better squad as a whole than with BG era and a lot more attacking options which was that teams biggest problem. I was excited by the squad at the beginning of the season, and still am now. Whether the owners decide the current manager has 4 weeks, til Xmas or longer to see some tangible progress, who knows. I just get a little fed up with the way over the top levels of criticism after SEVEN league games! It wont be helping these young players one bit. Anyway. UTG. Everything will come good, but we need to be patient and not so fickle! I`ve been hearing this for over 40 years now. It really should be the club`s motto.
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Post by DrFaustus on Sept 24, 2024 6:29:42 GMT
Topper...Griffiths is older than C Taylor. Still, you know best. Everybody seems to accept goalies develop later, regardless my doubts about MT seem to have spread to most of the fan base, apart from Daniel. Except Griffiths has played more career games than Connor. Keep up Topper. Many of us have major doubts about Taylor's competence as a manager, many don't. I very much doubt anyone has had their ideas changed by someone who posts 25,000 times a day on a third division fan site.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Sept 24, 2024 7:18:46 GMT
It will be interesting to see how he sets us up on Sat. He seems set on 3 at the back which personally I don't think we're equipped to play properly with the players we currently have fit or in Hunts case seemingly out of favour. The thing I found strange at Posh was the lack of a centre back on the bench. I assume Forbes was fit yet he chose to go without him as a back up. If one of our centre backs had got injured early on we'd either have had to play Bilongo or Sousa as a makeshift centre half of change shape. If you have your go to system whiich you'd presumably worked on all.week surely you'd make sure you were able to keep it if someone goes down early
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Post by percy on Sept 24, 2024 7:24:25 GMT
It will be interesting to see how he sets us up on Sat. He seems set on 3 at the back which personally I don't think we're equipped to play properly with the players we currently have fit or in Hunts case seemingly out of favour. The thing I found strange at Posh was the lack of a centre back on the bench. I assume Forbes was fit yet he chose to go without him as a back up. If one of our centre backs had got injured early on we'd either have had to play Bilongo or Sousa as a makeshift centre half of change shape. If you have your go to system whiich you'd presumably worked on all.week surely you'd make sure you were able to keep it if someone goes down early we only have one fit player that has played full back (Mola at LB). Unless Hunt is going to be played, 3 CBs is our only option. Bilongo and Sousa are wing backs who both look more suited to attacking than defending. Agree about not having Forbes on the bench, said that in the build up to Saturday. We need some more pace, is he quicker than Wilson and Taylor? hope so!
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Post by singupgas on Sept 24, 2024 8:22:13 GMT
I would be interested in what the pre match routine is like for our players, we more often than not seem slow to start, don't look interested...what are the players doing to get in the zone and on the same wave length, ultimately I want to see a team that is pumped up, American football player sort of energy or maybe not quite, but you get what I am saying...to look at it seems like it is just another Saturday for most our players. Where is the intensity .
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 24, 2024 8:44:21 GMT
We had 7 points from 8 games in League 2. That was at the same stage as Taylor now, first full season with a new squad. That's the season to compare. Barton had years to build last seasons squad. How do JB have years to build a L1 squad, he only had two summers as he couldn't build one when we were in L2, particularly how we got promotion on the last day of the season. Although the promoted squad started off OK. As things stand there's less glimmers of hope MT will turn things around than JB, or even BG, showed, when he was sacked. If we're still losing convincingly after our next two home games there really is no hope that MT can suddenly turn things around. JB had also proved that he could manage at L1 level with Fleetwood, MT just as 11 L1 games on his CV. He still had years to build a squad. Over a year in League 1. Exeter were a League 2 club, but Taylor set them up for League 1 pretty good on a smaller budget. Same thing applies regarding new squads. Barton and Dc got off to similar starts during their first full seasons. Even though one was in League 2 and one was non league. Taylor is still getting to know the new players. Players are still getting used to each other's games. The players have moved away from friends and family and will take time to settle in. If Taylor was sacked now, I wouldn't be bothered. But I think we need to give him a few more weeks. As it takes time to gel. The old principles of how groups form. He might still be rubbish for us, but others have turned it around from similar positions.
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Post by 1950gas on Sept 24, 2024 8:58:11 GMT
I was definitely a Taylor fan before he signed for the Gas. The Jury is well and truly out now.
Saturday's game was very disappointing. Did Peterborough take their foot off the pedal? or did we suddenly find the magic formula?
IMO, we have to start with the 11 players that finished the game, or we will never know the answer. TBH we should have been dead and buried long before the revival.
But being an optimist and dare i say it a sad and hopeful Gashead since 1957, I was surprised and heartened by the last 20 mins when in all honesty we should have probably won the game.
Hoping Taylor gets his act together this weekend and the boys give Wycombe a good whooping.
Stoney UTG
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Post by CornishPasty_Gas on Sept 24, 2024 9:33:15 GMT
I do fear for next Tuesday at home against Charlton. I can't see us getting anything at Wycombe - as its Wycombe and have some kind of spell over us!
If we lose Saturday, and go down against Charlton, things could turn very toxic.
I like MT as a bloke, people find him boring, but as a fella there's no reason not to like him IMO, but his record since being here has been below par.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Sept 24, 2024 10:13:01 GMT
We had 16 points from 13 . Get a geek to divide pro rota and add it to 2 games in hand . Either way we never looked liked getting relegated . Mid table bordom maybe . We had 7 points from 8 games in League 2. That was at the same stage as Taylor now, first full season with a new squad. That's the season to compare. Barton had years to build last seasons squad. I think we can go around in circles and the reality is both our views are split on this forum. The main thing is the here and now. If teams play there game in hand we probably will be in the relegation zone. Therefore the next month is key for Taylor. If you look at data 3 out of the 4 teams who were in bottom four in late October were relegated. Port Vale was the shocker who blew it in the last months. Once your in the zone and points behind then pressure really builds. A cheltenham fan told me that at Glos cricket . Let's hope Taylor can win 3 out of next 6 games . Its a challenge and there's nothing wrong with targets.
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