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Post by bambergashead on Oct 6, 2024 9:58:42 GMT
Chill your beans , fans have every right to be concerned about the sh1t that’s been dished up of late , just surprised your first thoughts after a decent win is to come on here and rant about ‘Matt shutting the moaners up’ he’s got a lot more to do before I’m convinced. Just enjoy the win eh exactly!!! 2 wins against really poor teams and this poster thinks this will shut the moaners up, we should be winning against poor teams. Yet Charlton beat Birmingham yesterday who must therefore be even worse...!
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Post by GasAttacK on Oct 6, 2024 9:59:55 GMT
First half was poor, I think we'd all agree on that. Burton were the better team in the opening 45, however, based purely on chances, we could easily have gone in level. That gave me some hope for the second half.
Second half was much better, particularly after the introduction of Ward, who was MOTM despite only playing 40 minutes. MT has said numerous times he wants us to be an all action, high press side, that get forward quickly when in possession. There was very little sign of that in the first half, but after the break that's exactly what we did, and Burton simply couldn't handle it. In the end we should probably have won 4 or 5-1 because we missed a number of presentable opportunities.
We can't ignore the first half, and we're yet to see a complete 90+ minute performance from this team, but there have been enough positive signs in the last couple of games to give us all hope.
Should also congratulate MT on his substitutions yesterday. Thought they were spot on and helped turn the game on it's head.
There is clearly still work to do and there is still some pressure on MT, but things at least look a lot better that this time last week.
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Post by igotgas on Oct 6, 2024 10:06:45 GMT
Charlton aren’t a typically poor league 1 team BUT they were atrocious on the night against us and there nothing anyone can point to that suggests that was anything particularly good that we did to make them look poor. They were just systematically poor in all aspects. We were pretty much as poor apart from one key area which was defending our own box. Had Charlton shown the same desire to block a shot or a cross our chance recreation and most likely our efforts on goal would’ve been minimal if not zero. Burton are talented group of players but again they were a very poor team. For moments a group of talented players can and will make you look poor and they did. They dominated the ball for large periods and you could see something in them that I’m yet to see in us….a plan and a style. However, they will struggle because they looked a poor team with little substance beyond an idealistic approach to playing the game. What continues to bug me is the randomness to every single part of our approach. Every. Single. Part. Once again the squad selection was odd. Players who had previously been starting regularly (Thomas) didn’t even make the bench. Players (Garrett) who have been regular contributors from the bench didn’t make the bench. Then players like Hutchinson who seems a perennial 7th sub stays on the bench despite never being used, ahead of Thomas / Garrett. On that note Hutchinson has now been sub 7 times and not once entered the pitch for a single minute. Does that not strike anyone as odd? Does MT think he’s a Gk? My point being, all subs sit in a box of some kind. Winning, losing, chasing, holding out, several goals up and coasting, shape change, injuries…in the 7 times he’s been sub all of those things have happened yet MT has never once looked at him for a solution. I find it bizarre. Despite varying opinions on how he’s done he hasn’t been THAT bad and if he has why is he even on the bench ahead of others? Anyway I digress….the randomness continues into how and when subs are made. 48 mins was when the first two were ready. Why wait 2/3 minutes when given decision making time it’s likely to have been made prior to the start of the second half, in which case why waste a substitution ‘break’ when you have a free one minutes before when you’d already decided? The shape change came early…midway through first half…an indication that the manager got the formation and / or the personnel wrong and knew it. Fair play for recognising it but what did he find out in 25 mins that he hasn’t found out in the previous 12 weeks? I’ve said for weeks that we seemed set on and seemed to recruit for a 352 but had players better suited to 4231/4411. It’s bizarre. Our general play has a randomness to it to which suggests the in possession work isn’t good enough. No one seems to have the bravery to put a stamp on exactly what we are or what we want to be. I don’t feel we’re any closer to that now than we were against Northampton and I genuinely don’t think the manager has a clue who is best 11 are or what formation to play them any more than he did v Northampton. Burton were poor and fell apart like a cheap suit when put under any pressure or intensity. There were gaps everywhere. The overloads we could’ve and should’ve had and punished in wide areas on the counter were copious and blatant. Yet we barely troubled their keeper until they had 8 men on the pitch! I’m far from convinced by the man in charge in spite of two wins. My opinion is that, the two wins, have been largely down to the opponents rather than the manger, the tactics, or the team. The problem we have imo is two wins have just delayed the inevitable. I think the powers that be want him gone and in truth two back to back losses will be enough and the longer it takes the shorter the time to make progress. How many of your posts mention Hutchinson, around 90% are you contacted to him in some way as I can't recall one other poster mentioning him the whole weekend? As far as Thomas you've been one of his big critics so it's odd you're now complaining he wasn't on the bench yesterday! Ironically Hutchinson would have been the most likely player to miss out yesterday if LT had remained on the subs bench, as it made sense Moore and Sousa both returning to the bench after missing Tuesday's game. When we lose games certain posters demand MT is dismissed, when we win games the same posters moan we're only beating poor teams, as if they are disappointed we're actually now winning games. No im not and if you used even part of your brain instead of just looking for an argument you’d notice that you’ve actually made the exact same points as I have, in that it was odd and made no sense. I wasn’t critical or championing for anyone. You’ve actually ignored the large % of my post where there was lots of content that you could discuss or argue against and decided to make the same point I was which is that it was odd management 🤡
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Post by okebournegas83 on Oct 6, 2024 11:40:48 GMT
Roadman and G1981 were never members of that group so why bring that up, pretty sure they suggested JB should have never signed "sick notes" like Hunt and Wilson. Great win, so pleased for the manager and travelling fans. Get up out of your bedroom Topper, have a shower and shave and go for a walk👍 Welcome back mate !! Hope you and the family are all well !
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Post by okebournegas83 on Oct 6, 2024 11:46:55 GMT
exactly!!! 2 wins against really poor teams and this poster thinks this will shut the moaners up, we should be winning against poor teams. Yet Charlton beat Birmingham yesterday who must therefore be even worse...! But we’re absolutely awful against us and we should never of let them back into the game in the manner in which we did , I think the point is a valid one.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Oct 6, 2024 13:40:47 GMT
Ok I’ll take this one on. I can only see a 3 - 1 Gas win, today is the day! 😂 Oh so close on Tuesday, but another 3 - 2 win would be fantastic. Come on you blue / green boys, let’s be avin you! UTFG! Well done, Marshy! After starting the Charlton MDT I intended to start this one but I was away and completely forgot! With a 3-1 victory in your image, the gig is clearly yours now!
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Post by kruger on Oct 6, 2024 15:25:01 GMT
Enjoying watching the sh** losing to the leagues bottom team
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Post by Marshy on Oct 6, 2024 15:37:50 GMT
Enjoying watching the sh** losing to the leagues bottom team Em, you put the mockers on that one 😤.
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Post by kruger on Oct 6, 2024 15:39:55 GMT
Enjoying watching the sh** losing to the leagues bottom team Em, you put the mockers on that one 😤. 1 chance the 82ers have had from what I've seen of it and they bloody score, Cardiff look the better team
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Post by Marshy on Oct 6, 2024 15:47:07 GMT
Em, you put the mockers on that one 😤. 1 chance the 82ers have had from what I've seen of it and they bloody score, Cardiff look the better team Bloody typical, cants!
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 6, 2024 16:43:21 GMT
OTIB not happy bunnies ( robins) oh dear ! 💙Utg
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 6, 2024 17:08:21 GMT
OTIB not happy bunnies ( robins) oh dear ! 💙Utg Oh dear, how sad, never mind. Is that just two home wins this season so far, league and cup? Nice to see their annual good start to the season getting shorter.
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Post by bambergashead on Oct 6, 2024 17:53:54 GMT
Yet Charlton beat Birmingham yesterday who must therefore be even worse...! But we’re absolutely awful against us and we should never of let them back into the game in the manner in which we did , I think the point is a valid one. Charlton made better substitutions than us and nearly clawed it back just like we nearly did at Peterborough. That's football...
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Post by kruger on Oct 6, 2024 18:23:24 GMT
Their manager is doing a fantastic job by earning a point here and there just enough to keep his job, well done Manning, I'm starting to like you
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Post by lastminutewinner on Oct 7, 2024 10:31:09 GMT
Charlton aren’t a typically poor league 1 team BUT they were atrocious on the night against us and there nothing anyone can point to that suggests that was anything particularly good that we did to make them look poor. They were just systematically poor in all aspects. We were pretty much as poor apart from one key area which was defending our own box. Had Charlton shown the same desire to block a shot or a cross our chance recreation and most likely our efforts on goal would’ve been minimal if not zero. Burton are talented group of players but again they were a very poor team. For moments a group of talented players can and will make you look poor and they did. They dominated the ball for large periods and you could see something in them that I’m yet to see in us….a plan and a style. However, they will struggle because they looked a poor team with little substance beyond an idealistic approach to playing the game. What continues to bug me is the randomness to every single part of our approach. Every. Single. Part. Once again the squad selection was odd. Players who had previously been starting regularly (Thomas) didn’t even make the bench. Players (Garrett) who have been regular contributors from the bench didn’t make the bench. Then players like Hutchinson who seems a perennial 7th sub stays on the bench despite never being used, ahead of Thomas / Garrett. On that note Hutchinson has now been sub 7 times and not once entered the pitch for a single minute. Does that not strike anyone as odd? Does MT think he’s a Gk? My point being, all subs sit in a box of some kind. Winning, losing, chasing, holding out, several goals up and coasting, shape change, injuries…in the 7 times he’s been sub all of those things have happened yet MT has never once looked at him for a solution. I find it bizarre. Despite varying opinions on how he’s done he hasn’t been THAT bad and if he has why is he even on the bench ahead of others? Anyway I digress….the randomness continues into how and when subs are made. 48 mins was when the first two were ready. Why wait 2/3 minutes when given decision making time it’s likely to have been made prior to the start of the second half, in which case why waste a substitution ‘break’ when you have a free one minutes before when you’d already decided? The shape change came early…midway through first half…an indication that the manager got the formation and / or the personnel wrong and knew it. Fair play for recognising it but what did he find out in 25 mins that he hasn’t found out in the previous 12 weeks? I’ve said for weeks that we seemed set on and seemed to recruit for a 352 but had players better suited to 4231/4411. It’s bizarre. Our general play has a randomness to it to which suggests the in possession work isn’t good enough. No one seems to have the bravery to put a stamp on exactly what we are or what we want to be. I don’t feel we’re any closer to that now than we were against Northampton and I genuinely don’t think the manager has a clue who is best 11 are or what formation to play them any more than he did v Northampton. Burton were poor and fell apart like a cheap suit when put under any pressure or intensity. There were gaps everywhere. The overloads we could’ve and should’ve had and punished in wide areas on the counter were copious and blatant. Yet we barely troubled their keeper until they had 8 men on the pitch! I’m far from convinced by the man in charge in spite of two wins. My opinion is that, the two wins, have been largely down to the opponents rather than the manger, the tactics, or the team. The problem we have imo is two wins have just delayed the inevitable. I think the powers that be want him gone and in truth two back to back losses will be enough and the longer it takes the shorter the time to make progress. How many of your posts mention Hutchinson, around 90% are you contacted to him in some way as I can't recall one other poster mentioning him the whole weekend?
As far as Thomas you've been one of his big critics so it's odd you're now complaining he wasn't on the bench yesterday! Ironically Hutchinson would have been the most likely player to miss out yesterday if LT had remained on the subs bench, as it made sense Moore and Sousa both returning to the bench after missing Tuesday's game. When we lose games certain posters demand MT is dismissed, when we win games the same posters moan we're only beating poor teams, as if they are disappointed we're actually now winning games. Interestingly, this was said to me regarding Hutchinson by a Walsall fan shortly after we signed him. "Just don't say anything negative about him on Facebook or Twitter you'll have his Dad and Grandad wading in then blocking you"
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Post by dulwichgas on Oct 7, 2024 10:42:24 GMT
Charlton aren’t a typically poor league 1 team BUT they were atrocious on the night against us and there nothing anyone can point to that suggests that was anything particularly good that we did to make them look poor. They were just systematically poor in all aspects. We were pretty much as poor apart from one key area which was defending our own box. Had Charlton shown the same desire to block a shot or a cross our chance recreation and most likely our efforts on goal would’ve been minimal if not zero. Burton are talented group of players but again they were a very poor team. For moments a group of talented players can and will make you look poor and they did. They dominated the ball for large periods and you could see something in them that I’m yet to see in us….a plan and a style. However, they will struggle because they looked a poor team with little substance beyond an idealistic approach to playing the game. What continues to bug me is the randomness to every single part of our approach. Every. Single. Part. Once again the squad selection was odd. Players who had previously been starting regularly (Thomas) didn’t even make the bench. Players (Garrett) who have been regular contributors from the bench didn’t make the bench. Then players like Hutchinson who seems a perennial 7th sub stays on the bench despite never being used, ahead of Thomas / Garrett. On that note Hutchinson has now been sub 7 times and not once entered the pitch for a single minute. Does that not strike anyone as odd? Does MT think he’s a Gk? My point being, all subs sit in a box of some kind. Winning, losing, chasing, holding out, several goals up and coasting, shape change, injuries…in the 7 times he’s been sub all of those things have happened yet MT has never once looked at him for a solution. I find it bizarre. Despite varying opinions on how he’s done he hasn’t been THAT bad and if he has why is he even on the bench ahead of others? Anyway I digress….the randomness continues into how and when subs are made. 48 mins was when the first two were ready. Why wait 2/3 minutes when given decision making time it’s likely to have been made prior to the start of the second half, in which case why waste a substitution ‘break’ when you have a free one minutes before when you’d already decided? The shape change came early…midway through first half…an indication that the manager got the formation and / or the personnel wrong and knew it. Fair play for recognising it but what did he find out in 25 mins that he hasn’t found out in the previous 12 weeks? I’ve said for weeks that we seemed set on and seemed to recruit for a 352 but had players better suited to 4231/4411. It’s bizarre. Our general play has a randomness to it to which suggests the in possession work isn’t good enough. No one seems to have the bravery to put a stamp on exactly what we are or what we want to be. I don’t feel we’re any closer to that now than we were against Northampton and I genuinely don’t think the manager has a clue who is best 11 are or what formation to play them any more than he did v Northampton. Burton were poor and fell apart like a cheap suit when put under any pressure or intensity. There were gaps everywhere. The overloads we could’ve and should’ve had and punished in wide areas on the counter were copious and blatant. Yet we barely troubled their keeper until they had 8 men on the pitch! I’m far from convinced by the man in charge in spite of two wins. My opinion is that, the two wins, have been largely down to the opponents rather than the manger, the tactics, or the team. The problem we have imo is two wins have just delayed the inevitable. I think the powers that be want him gone and in truth two back to back losses will be enough and the longer it takes the shorter the time to make progress. Curious. I thought Tuesday we showed quite a clear pattern of play, overloading wide areas, balls into channels. Didn't watch the game against Burton but looking at our goals, a similar approach, Mola at the back stick... Did think on Tuesday that Hutchinson would fit very nicely into this style, being on the edge of the box, a goal threat. But I just don't think MT feels he can throw him in with his job on the line, which is fair enough. Definitely MT doesn't know his strongest 11 but football is a squad game, cant be a bad thing to have competition for places and it's great to actually have options off the bench that can make an impact.
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Post by madgas on Oct 7, 2024 11:43:45 GMT
Charlton aren’t a typically poor league 1 team BUT they were atrocious on the night against us and there nothing anyone can point to that suggests that was anything particularly good that we did to make them look poor. They were just systematically poor in all aspects. We were pretty much as poor apart from one key area which was defending our own box. Had Charlton shown the same desire to block a shot or a cross our chance recreation and most likely our efforts on goal would’ve been minimal if not zero. Burton are talented group of players but again they were a very poor team. For moments a group of talented players can and will make you look poor and they did. They dominated the ball for large periods and you could see something in them that I’m yet to see in us….a plan and a style. However, they will struggle because they looked a poor team with little substance beyond an idealistic approach to playing the game. What continues to bug me is the randomness to every single part of our approach. Every. Single. Part. Once again the squad selection was odd. Players who had previously been starting regularly (Thomas) didn’t even make the bench. Players (Garrett) who have been regular contributors from the bench didn’t make the bench. Then players like Hutchinson who seems a perennial 7th sub stays on the bench despite never being used, ahead of Thomas / Garrett. On that note Hutchinson has now been sub 7 times and not once entered the pitch for a single minute. Does that not strike anyone as odd? Does MT think he’s a Gk? My point being, all subs sit in a box of some kind. Winning, losing, chasing, holding out, several goals up and coasting, shape change, injuries…in the 7 times he’s been sub all of those things have happened yet MT has never once looked at him for a solution. I find it bizarre. Despite varying opinions on how he’s done he hasn’t been THAT bad and if he has why is he even on the bench ahead of others? Anyway I digress….the randomness continues into how and when subs are made. 48 mins was when the first two were ready. Why wait 2/3 minutes when given decision making time it’s likely to have been made prior to the start of the second half, in which case why waste a substitution ‘break’ when you have a free one minutes before when you’d already decided? The shape change came early…midway through first half…an indication that the manager got the formation and / or the personnel wrong and knew it. Fair play for recognising it but what did he find out in 25 mins that he hasn’t found out in the previous 12 weeks? I’ve said for weeks that we seemed set on and seemed to recruit for a 352 but had players better suited to 4231/4411. It’s bizarre. Our general play has a randomness to it to which suggests the in possession work isn’t good enough. No one seems to have the bravery to put a stamp on exactly what we are or what we want to be. I don’t feel we’re any closer to that now than we were against Northampton and I genuinely don’t think the manager has a clue who is best 11 are or what formation to play them any more than he did v Northampton. Burton were poor and fell apart like a cheap suit when put under any pressure or intensity. There were gaps everywhere. The overloads we could’ve and should’ve had and punished in wide areas on the counter were copious and blatant. Yet we barely troubled their keeper until they had 8 men on the pitch! I’m far from convinced by the man in charge in spite of two wins. My opinion is that, the two wins, have been largely down to the opponents rather than the manger, the tactics, or the team. The problem we have imo is two wins have just delayed the inevitable. I think the powers that be want him gone and in truth two back to back losses will be enough and the longer it takes the shorter the time to make progress. This is where it gets a bit over the top... Taylor has had a indifferent/ poor first year but the above is quite nit picky. In turn, Charlton weren't good. Credit to Rovers. We won, deservedly so. Hutchinson- definition of nitpicky when you're annoyed about the 7th sub. The game state hasn't required Hutch. We've been chasing games recently- clearly were going to favour brining on wingers and outright attackers. 48 min subs are sensible because you don't let the opposition manager react to what you're doing in the break. You can catch teams less aware of your plan than if you do this at half time. The hand usually looks quite apparent. "Our stamp" on this I totally agree. But I think this is what the manager is saying. There's a natural physicality to us and when we play to it we look reasoanble. But the slightest bit of passiveness and we are really poor.
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Post by igotgas on Oct 7, 2024 12:05:37 GMT
This is where it gets a bit over the top... Taylor has had an indifferent/ poor first year but the above is quite nit picky. In turn, Charlton weren't good. Credit to Rovers. We won, deservedly so I think I said this didn’t I? You can only win the game so fair play but the fact remains in the longer term or bigger picture, on the night it was two very poor teams and we won not due to much we did other than the fact we were better at last ditch defending around our box. By last ditch I mean blocks and throw g bodies down (which is necessary I agree). We scored two worldies that are unlikely to be repeated that often and therefore unlikely to win many games relying on that. Hutchinson- definition of nitpicky when you're annoyed about the 7th sub. The game state hasn't required Hutch. We've been chasing games recently- clearly were going to favour brining on wingers and outright attackers It was nothing to do with annoyance. It was a comment in line with the theme that we are very random and many things don’t follow any clear plan or reasoning. To say “the game state hasn’t required Hutch” was exactly my point….we’ve been winning, losing, chasing, holding on, coasting, changing shape and had injuries and none of these has resulted in him being used from the bench so I questioned what use he serves and what exactly the state of the game would need to be for him to be of use! Especially at the expense of players who have been used and used regularly. It was random. 48 min subs are sensible because you don't let the opposition manager react to what you're doing in the break. You can catch teams less aware of your plan than if you do this at half time. The hand usually looks quite apparent Nonsense. What can they not react to on 48 mins that they could react to at half time? They’ll be just as aware of what’s happening when those subs are made either way. I’m not a fan of half time subs unless it’s serving a specific purpose or changing shape or tactics. MT changed shape midway through the half and I’d imagine those subs suited the shape he’d changed to than the side he’d started with. For the sake of 3 minutes he wasted one of his 3 sub breaks meaning he then can’t hold on to a sub late on should the situation change again. "Our stamp" on this I totally agree. But I think this is what the manager is saying. There's a natural physicality to us and when we play to it we look reasoanble. But the slightest bit of passiveness and we are really poor. I have no idea. I really have no idea what the manager wants or what he wants the side to “look like” other than it’s always what he wants it to look like when he’s won….a good side or a well coached one will more often look how he wants it to look despite not winning not just when he is winning. He’s just spouting nonsense imo and the result is driving the analysis rather than the performance.
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Post by aghast on Oct 7, 2024 16:04:14 GMT
How many of your posts mention Hutchinson, around 90% are you contacted to him in some way as I can't recall one other poster mentioning him the whole weekend?
As far as Thomas you've been one of his big critics so it's odd you're now complaining he wasn't on the bench yesterday! Ironically Hutchinson would have been the most likely player to miss out yesterday if LT had remained on the subs bench, as it made sense Moore and Sousa both returning to the bench after missing Tuesday's game. When we lose games certain posters demand MT is dismissed, when we win games the same posters moan we're only beating poor teams, as if they are disappointed we're actually now winning games. Interestingly, this was said to me regarding Hutchinson by a Walsall fan shortly after we signed him. "Just don't say anything negative about him on Facebook or Twitter you'll have his Dad and Grandad wading in then blocking you" Didn't that happen on here with Tom Broadbent? I'm sure I remember his dad getting very twitchy indeed about a few less than complimentary comments.
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Post by igotgas on Oct 7, 2024 16:12:47 GMT
I can assure you I’m neither his dad or his grandad 🤣🤣🤣 or indeed anyone else’s dad or grandad…yet! I hope! 🤣🤣
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