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Post by yattongas on Oct 16, 2024 14:11:59 GMT
Bang average League One winger and miles off the standard of Billy Bodin. Thomas can’t go down the outside like Billy could or Saka can for example, it’s all relative to the league you are in. Cuts inside into traffic too much, often the final ball goes wrong, for a winger now it’s ironic that his best attribute is the press and tracking back now?! Agree with this and always thought he’s overrated by Gasheads. There’s a reason the likes of Barnsley let him go and it isn’t just homesickness. |
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Post by mrgasman on Oct 16, 2024 14:59:03 GMT
I don’t ever recall Thomas being played as a wingback under Barton… I could be wrong of course. I think he did a couple of times. I would just love to see LT as the ACM he is. That's where I first saw him play. It was Coventry v P'boro and he had Conor Chaplin and JCH to play with. He terrorised them that day. P'boro got a lucky break and Ivan Toney scored but it was the LT show that got Coventry the equaliser that day when he set up Chaplin to equalise. Using LT as a WB is like using a screwdriver when you need a spanner. finally, a fan that is speaking much sense. |
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Post by gasify on Oct 16, 2024 15:38:36 GMT
I disagree. He is there because he can drive us forward up the pitch. What I love about BB and Mola is that they both live to run the ball out of defence. Luke Thomas should be able to do the same thing. For a player that shouldn't be playing league one, how many goals and assists has he got so far this season? Luke Thomas isn’t a wing back, confidence is shot, could also say the same about Connor Taylor’s confidence, we know both are good players. It’s a shame senior is injured as I liked the look of him. I’m hoping Thomas isn’t dropped from the squad as feel this would be a bad move, time will time. I think it's his surgery messing with his game. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 16, 2024 18:35:32 GMT
Bang average League One winger and miles off the standard of Billy Bodin. Thomas can’t go down the outside like Billy could or Saka can for example, it’s all relative to the league you are in. Cuts inside into traffic too much, often the final ball goes wrong, for a winger now it’s ironic that his best attribute is the press and tracking back now?! Agree with this and always thought he’s overrated by Gasheads. There’s a reason the likes of Barnsley let him go and it isn’t just homesickness. Barnsley offered him a new contract but he turned it down? www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/news/20232/june/retained/LT was a regular for most of the season apart from when he was out injured with a broken leg, so it was no surprise he was offered a new contract. |
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Post by roadman on Oct 16, 2024 19:05:47 GMT
Bang average League One winger and miles off the standard of Billy Bodin. Thomas can’t go down the outside like Billy could or Saka can for example, it’s all relative to the league you are in. Cuts inside into traffic too much, often the final ball goes wrong, for a winger now it’s ironic that his best attribute is the press and tracking back now?! Agree with this and always thought he’s overrated by Gasheads. There’s a reason the likes of Barnsley let him go and it isn’t just homesickness. m Spot on, we’ve got a Harry Anderson fan club and as I pointed out, bang average CV, can’t stay fit and now back in Div2. One goal in a 1-0 win against Cobblers doesn’t make him a good winger?! I was also Macc when Sean Rigg scored away in our promotion season with Trollope, I saw his Father cry with absolute joy at the end in front of me. As Gashead81 war and peace reply, only joking Steve. I lost a bit of interest when you said where an outside right/left play and their roles. I watch a lot of football as you know and watched the majority of England games in Germany in person out there, modern day players have several roles and don’t just stick to one position in a game, casing point Arteta asking his left back to invert into central midfield at times. If you see Saka live, he plays in a very similar position to Thomas, he plays several positions and tracks back defensively but let’s cut the spin and bullshit, he plays wide left, also wing back as Thomas in Germany! You can all Thomas what the feck you want, goals and assists, his tallies are poor. There is a reason why he’s back now playing for a mediocre Div1 side, a club that no longer finishes top 10 in its league for decades. He was a £1 million player, I don’t care what he’s done in the past for fleeting moments, he’s been rightly dropped for poor form. He’s not a match winner, he doesn’t take two of the opposition with him when attacking, they just usher him into traffic in the centre of the pitch. He won’t ever go back to the Championship at this rate, next stop is Cheltenham or FGR he ups it or Swindon = bang average Div1 winger. *Comeback to me and he consistently over a season does something. |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 16, 2024 19:07:07 GMT
Agree with this and always thought he’s overrated by Gasheads. There’s a reason the likes of Barnsley let him go and it isn’t just homesickness. Barnsley offered him a new contract but he turned it down? www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/news/20232/june/retained/LT was a regular for most of the season apart from when he was out injured with a broken leg, so it was no surprise he was offered a new contract. Offered a new contract doesn’t mean what you think it means all the time . Luca Hoole was offered a new contract as well as Rossiter. |
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Post by roadman on Oct 16, 2024 19:13:18 GMT
Barnsley offered him a new contract but he turned it down? www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/news/20232/june/retained/LT was a regular for most of the season apart from when he was out injured with a broken leg, so it was no surprise he was offered a new contract. Offered a new contract doesn’t mean what you think it means all the time . Luca Hoole was offered a new contract as well as Rossiter. Bang on again, we also gave Liam Lawrence, Trev Clarke, Gosling, the list is endless, Haldane as well. We will have people telling us next Harvey Saunders was a great player as well |
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Post by roadman on Oct 16, 2024 19:16:09 GMT
Luke Thomas in my opinion best position now is full back or wing back, I’d tell him to watch videos of Luke Shaw. Same stature, Shaw used to go past players but can’t now, has the ability to get a cross in, chase back and defend at left back. Again I’ve seen him a lot in person play 👍
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 16, 2024 20:14:43 GMT
Luke Thomas in my opinion best position now is full back or wing back, I’d tell him to watch videos of Luke Shaw. Same stature, Shaw used to go past players but can’t now, has the ability to get a cross in, chase back and defend at left back. Again I’ve seen him a lot in person play 👍 Only a clown like MT could decide that one of our best attacking players should now concentrate on being a defender, no wonder he plays as if he's totally disillusioned with football. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 16, 2024 20:16:58 GMT
Barnsley offered him a new contract but he turned it down? www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/news/20232/june/retained/LT was a regular for most of the season apart from when he was out injured with a broken leg, so it was no surprise he was offered a new contract. Offered a new contract doesn’t mean what you think it means all the time . Luca Hoole was offered a new contract as well as Rossiter. Hoole was offered one so we could get compo due to his age, I assume Rossiter was offered one as we wanted him to stay, as otherwise we'd have looked total idiots if he'd accepted it then spent most of this season out injured. |
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Post by roadman on Oct 16, 2024 20:42:17 GMT
Luke Thomas in my opinion best position now is full back or wing back, I’d tell him to watch videos of Luke Shaw. Same stature, Shaw used to go past players but can’t now, has the ability to get a cross in, chase back and defend at left back. Again I’ve seen him a lot in person play 👍 Only a clown like MT could decide that one of our best attacking players should now concentrate on being a defender, no wonder he plays as if he's totally disillusioned with football. Well let me see, the previous manager wrongly called him an idiot but rarely played him consistently and now the latest doesn’t either. This so called attacking gem has something like 13 goals in 230 appearances. He can’t go down the outside and cross with his right foot, he consistently comes back into the middle or the park. He would be better assisting like Lee Brown and Luke Shaw on the over lap, he has proven he can’t be this great attacking threat consistently. I think it was a Carrow Road that this idiot witnessed him play brilliant at full back, he has done this several times as well. |
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Post by roadman on Oct 16, 2024 20:48:47 GMT
Taylor best period for us was the Christmas when we beat the likes of Portsmouth and Pompey and here are his own words.
"I feel like I’ve done okay but obviously okay isn’t good enough," Thomas said when reflecting on his personal season. "I feel like I probably need way more goals and assists for the positions I get myself in. I’ve not got the numbers I would like and hopefully next season I can up those numbers.
"Someone said the other day that this is probably my best season scoring or creating goals which it is but I think for the chances that I’ve had, I should be on at least 10 goals and a few more assists. The numbers are good, better than they have been, but still nowhere the numbers that I need to be getting and want to be getting."
Although forwards in particular can get dragged into obsessing over their statistics in the final third and naturally there has been a lot of attention lately on goals, or a lack of, given Rovers' extensive drought, Thomas' season hasn't just been about his offensive impact.
Additionally, Thomas added another dimension to his game when entrusted to play right wing-back around the Christmas period early into Matt Taylor's tenure. The Gas manager frequently made the point that he had been told that he couldn't trust the winger to track back if played in such a role but those doubts were proven wrong as the makeshift wing-back got up and down the flank effectively, making a notable contribution at both ends of the pitch.
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Post by returnofthedust on Oct 16, 2024 21:06:05 GMT
If Cov got the best out of him, why did he only get 4 in 43 games? Classic bang average winger, the good ones are consistent and when they move up, they stay there. The game is littered with Thomas’s, Harry Anderson, Mark Wright (Trollope), Gosling, Montano, all one great game in 5 or 6, stop start, then injured at times. First season back in the champ and Robins set them up more low block just to stay up. LTs role was to advance them from low to high block through the middle and bring JCH, Conor Chaplin and Matt Godden into play. They also lost Jodi Jones to a serious injury meaning Robins went from being a 433 team to a 4411 team for the last 20 games of the season. From memory JCH only scored 4 that season before we signed him and everyone had a meltdown because of it. Luke Thomas played for Coventry in 2018-19 when Coventry finished 8th in League One so this whole post is incorrect |
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Post by returnofthedust on Oct 16, 2024 21:13:07 GMT
If Cov got the best out of him, why did he only get 4 in 43 games? Classic bang average winger, the good ones are consistent and when they move up, they stay there. The game is littered with Thomas’s, Harry Anderson, Mark Wright (Trollope), Gosling, Montano, all one great game in 5 or 6, stop start, then injured at times. First season back in the champ and Robins set them up more low block just to stay up. LTs role was to advance them from low to high block through the middle and bring JCH, Conor Chaplin and Matt Godden into play. They also lost Jodi Jones to a serious injury meaning Robins went from being a 433 team to a 4411 team for the last 20 games of the season. From memory JCH only scored 4 that season before we signed him and everyone had a meltdown because of it. I’ll add Connor Chaplin played 11 games for Cov that season. Matt Godden played 38 games…..for Peterborough |
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 17, 2024 8:59:51 GMT
Agree with this and always thought he’s overrated by Gasheads. There’s a reason the likes of Barnsley let him go and it isn’t just homesickness. m Spot on, we’ve got a Harry Anderson fan club and as I pointed out, bang average CV, can’t stay fit and now back in Div2. One goal in a 1-0 win against Cobblers doesn’t make him a good winger?! I was also Macc when Sean Rigg scored away in our promotion season with Trollope, I saw his Father cry with absolute joy at the end in front of me.
Harry Anderson was a bit of a Lewis Haldane, all pace and not much at the end of it as you say, L2 was his level. Also as durable as a Kit Kat. As Gashead81 war and peace reply, only joking Steve.
 You know I love to prove my point when I'm right....  I lost a bit of interest when you said where an outside right/left play and their roles. I watch a lot of football as you know and watched the majority of England games in Germany in person out there, modern day players have several roles and don’t just stick to one position in a game, casing point Arteta asking his left back to invert into central midfield at times. If you see Saka live, he plays in a very similar position to Thomas, he plays several positions and tracks back defensively but let’s cut the spin and bullshit, he plays wide left, also wing back as Thomas in Germany! International footballers are Elite level and capable of multiple positions and ability. L1 footballers aren't. They aren't fast enough, can't adapt quick enough and are a bit monkey see monkey do. You can all Thomas what the feck you want, goals and assists, his tallies are poor. There is a reason why he’s back now playing for a mediocre Div1 side, a club that no longer finishes top 10 in its league for decades. He was a £1 million player, I don’t care what he’s done in the past for fleeting moments, he’s been rightly dropped for poor form. He’s not a match winner, he doesn’t take two of the opposition with him when attacking, they just usher him into traffic in the centre of the pitch. He won’t ever go back to the Championship at this rate, next stop is Cheltenham or FGR he ups it or Swindon = bang average Div1 winger.Like with every side, management comes into success the team will have. We have a defensive manager who's managed to take an attacking creative player and turn him into a bang average wingback. Its absurd really. *Comeback to me and he consistently over a season does something.Like 11 goal contributions over a season when you have a change of manager converting you to a wingback? How many goal contributions do you expect him to get when he's played where he has? The only wingers/wingbacks with more contributions than LT was Nathaniel Mendez-Laing, Harrison Burrows, Karaoke Dembele, Aaron Collins, Femi Azeez, Abu Kamara and Lasse Sorenson. All of whom ended up being promoted, getting moves to bigger clubs or reaching the play offs and none of whom played squarely as a wingback. They are all outside forwards, ACMs that play across the front 3 or wingers. That proves LT has the capability, delivers to his best based on what he has around him team wise and how the manager instructs him to play. |
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Post by roadman on Oct 17, 2024 10:30:21 GMT
Thing is though Steve, we had the same sort of debate “No Beef” Connolly and you said there was a good defender in there. Now the bloke is where he should be, Div2 and in and out of the Crewe side, you just kid yourself.
You say the Premiership is elite level, it’s all relative to the level you are at. Aaron Collins played several positions, I remember Hoskins doing it. The good players do it and get recognised, they move up, your pal Thomas is just moving backwards. Bodin excelled and went up, Muzzy Carayol as well. You can debate it as much as you want, we’ve got a bang average Div1 here, inconsistent and low level stats. He’s at his peak at 25 or going into it, right now he’s light years off getting a Champ move again, it’s what the top players do.
This elite rubbish you give me, you can be elite at the level you are at, Barry Bannan comes to mind recently. Vitas was elite at the level he was at, an ex £1 million winger in my opinion at 26 years of age, should be elite at this level.
I will leave you to talk about your low block, outside forward stuff, goals and assists, that’s all that matters to anyone of us. And BTW, you don’t hear many pundits call them outside forwards, sort of thing my Grandad would say!
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Post by igotgas on Oct 17, 2024 10:33:13 GMT
If Luke Thomas was the only player struggling to perform and low on confidence at the club we could maybe pin the blame at his door.
But he’s not. Not by a long chalk.
So when there are several players not fulfilling their potential, or playing at the level we’d expect, or looking obviously low on confidence, we need to be looking for the root cause elsewhere……
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 17, 2024 14:01:04 GMT
Thing is though Steve, we had the same sort of debate “No Beef” Connolly and you said there was a good defender in there. Now the bloke is where he should be, Div2 and in and out of the Crewe side, you just kid yourself.
No, I said give him the opportunity to step up to L1, a bit like what Evans had when his first season in L1 was very underwhelming after a very good L2 season. Slight difference. You say the Premiership is elite level, it’s all relative to the level you are at. Aaron Collins played several positions, I remember Hoskins doing it. The good players do it and get recognised, they move up, your pal Thomas is just moving backwards. Bodin excelled and went up, Muzzy Carayol as well. You can debate it as much as you want, we’ve got a bang average Div1 here, inconsistent and low level stats. He’s at his peak at 25 or going into it, right now he’s light years off getting a Champ move again, it’s what the top players do.
I've not seen Aaron Collins play any other position for us or Bolton other than somewhere in the front 3 and he never played a wingback or an out and out winger role. He was always a LACM or RACM and couldn't play as an out and out striker as he wasn't strong enough in the air and doesn't have the nous to drift in and out of space. He relies on his ability to run at players and give and go. This elite rubbish you give me, you can be elite at the level you are at, Barry Bannan comes to mind recently. Vitas was elite at the level he was at, an ex £1 million winger in my opinion at 26 years of age, should be elite at this level.
Depends who you have around you doesn't it and Bannan was very much above the level of L1 without even trying. If you want to compare to the team which Barry Bannan played in he had Micheal Smith, Josh Windass, Callum Paterson and Lee Gregory all to aim at. All still championship players bar Gregory and he only dropped down this season. Those players will enhance what you can do personally, give you more time on the ball and give you easier decisions to make. So its apples and oranges. I will leave you to talk about your low block, outside forward stuff, goals and assists, that’s all that matters to anyone of us. And BTW, you don’t hear many pundits call them outside forwards, sort of thing my Grandad would say!Call the LACM or RACM if you want. Either way, they aren't wingers and LT is an ACM/RACM/LACM by nature and trade and not a RW/RWB which is a completely different role. |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 17, 2024 14:33:04 GMT
Interesting debate but at the end of the day he’s not producing the goods , even at his best for us he hasn’t pulled up any trees. Funnily enough I think the games when he was most highly praised was for his games as a stand in fullback.
Hopefully he comes back stronger as all players have dips in form.
If I was putting money on it I’d bet his next move is down the pyramid not up ….. but hope I’m wrong.
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Post by roadman on Oct 17, 2024 15:20:35 GMT
Interesting debate but at the end of the day he’s not producing the goods , even at his best for us he hasn’t pulled up any trees. Funnily enough I think the games when he was most highly praised was for his games as a stand in fullback. Hopefully he comes back stronger as all players have dips in form. If I was putting money on it I’d bet his next move is down the pyramid not up ….. but hope I’m wrong. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Call him what you want, simply he’s an offensive player and his assists and goal tallies are bang average. Talk about a wasting time, the stats don’t lie and if he’s an outside forward as 81 states, 13 in goals in 230 plus games in a truly terrible. And he never scored his goals in the Champ for Coventry and half the players mentioned were not even playing, see Gasdust replies. Spot on Yatton BTW |
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