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Post by mrgasman on Oct 17, 2024 16:30:28 GMT
Interesting debate but at the end of the day he’s not producing the goods , even at his best for us he hasn’t pulled up any trees. Funnily enough I think the games when he was most highly praised was for his games as a stand in fullback. Hopefully he comes back stronger as all players have dips in form. If I was putting money on it I’d bet his next move is down the pyramid not up ….. but hope I’m wrong. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Call him what you want, simply he’s an offensive player and his assists and goal tallies are bang average. Talk about a wasting time, the stats don’t lie and if he’s an outside forward as 81 states, 13 in goals in 230 plus games in a truly terrible. And he never scored his goals in the Champ for Coventry and half the players mentioned were not even playing, see Gasdust replies. Spot on Yatton BTW Roadman for manager, coach and director of Rovers! The man has all the answers 👏. He seems like he’d be great as a coach for 1 to 1 work with Thomas. Geeez, some of the things on this thread does make me laugh. |
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Post by roadman on Oct 17, 2024 16:34:22 GMT
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Call him what you want, simply he’s an offensive player and his assists and goal tallies are bang average. Talk about a wasting time, the stats don’t lie and if he’s an outside forward as 81 states, 13 in goals in 230 plus games in a truly terrible. And he never scored his goals in the Champ for Coventry and half the players mentioned were not even playing, see Gasdust replies. Spot on Yatton BTW Roadman for manager, coach and director of Rovers! The man has all the answers 👏. He seems like he’d be great as a coach for 1 to 1 work with Thomas. Geeez, some of the things on this thread does make me laugh. Instead of laughing pal, give your opinion, isn’t that what a………… A forum is a place, situation, or group in which people exchange ideas and discuss issues, especially important public issues. It’s not my fault he’s an ex £1 million player at 25 playing for a average Div1 and not in the team, I question why he’s with us anyone if he’s that good 🤷🏼♂️ |
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Post by Quarters on Oct 17, 2024 16:49:28 GMT
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Call him what you want, simply he’s an offensive player and his assists and goal tallies are bang average. Talk about a wasting time, the stats don’t lie and if he’s an outside forward as 81 states, 13 in goals in 230 plus games in a truly terrible. And he never scored his goals in the Champ for Coventry and half the players mentioned were not even playing, see Gasdust replies. Spot on Yatton BTW Roadman for manager, coach and director of Rovers! The man has all the answers 👏. He seems like he’d be great as a coach for 1 to 1 work with Thomas. Geeez, some of the things on this thread does make me laugh. Thing is, there are some who are articulate and will agree or disagree with a post. Then there are others who try and ridicule the poster. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 17, 2024 17:15:30 GMT
Interesting debate but at the end of the day he’s not producing the goods , even at his best for us he hasn’t pulled up any trees. Funnily enough I think the games when he was most highly praised was for his games as a stand in fullback. Hopefully he comes back stronger as all players have dips in form. If I was putting money on it I’d bet his next move is down the pyramid not up ….. but hope I’m wrong. The stats suggest as far as forum members are concerned Thomas had a decent season last season, perhaps surprisingly even out scoring Evo.  |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 17, 2024 18:27:49 GMT
Interesting debate but at the end of the day he’s not producing the goods , even at his best for us he hasn’t pulled up any trees. Funnily enough I think the games when he was most highly praised was for his games as a stand in fullback. Hopefully he comes back stronger as all players have dips in form. If I was putting money on it I’d bet his next move is down the pyramid not up ….. but hope I’m wrong. The stats suggest as far as forum members are concerned Thomas had a decent season last season, perhaps surprisingly even out scoring Evo. Yeah , he played well at wingback 😂👍 |
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 17, 2024 18:29:50 GMT
Interesting debate but at the end of the day he’s not producing the goods , even at his best for us he hasn’t pulled up any trees. Funnily enough I think the games when he was most highly praised was for his games as a stand in fullback. Hopefully he comes back stronger as all players have dips in form. If I was putting money on it I’d bet his next move is down the pyramid not up ….. but hope I’m wrong. The stats suggest as far as forum members are concerned Thomas had a decent season last season, perhaps surprisingly even out scoring Evo. Don't bother with stats Topper. After 11 goal contributions with only promotion or play off players in front of him across last season he's just a bang average L1 wing back... I mean, if there was ever a side in this division that needed another 11 contributions it's this one and given he has 3 in 8 so far he's on a better run rate than last year. we've got much bigger problems in the squad that probably not even L1 standard like Hutchinson but let's pick on the one player who has an ounce of creativity and attack in him and castigate him because out manager has put him in defence. |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 17, 2024 18:38:55 GMT
The stats suggest as far as forum members are concerned Thomas had a decent season last season, perhaps surprisingly even out scoring Evo. Don't bother with stats Topper. After 11 goal contributions with only promotion or play off players in front of him across last season he's just a bang average L1 wing back... I mean, if there was ever a side in this division that needed another 11 contributions it's this one and given he has 3 in 8 so far he's on a better run rate than last year. we've got much bigger problems in the squad that probably not even L1 standard like Hutchinson but let's pick on the one player who has an ounce of creativity and attack in him and castigate him because out manager has put him in defence. This thread is about Thomas so obvs we’re discussing him ! Start a Hutchinson thread 81 if you like ? 😃 |
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Post by roadman on Oct 17, 2024 19:06:16 GMT
Don't bother with stats Topper. After 11 goal contributions with only promotion or play off players in front of him across last season he's just a bang average L1 wing back... I mean, if there was ever a side in this division that needed another 11 contributions it's this one and given he has 3 in 8 so far he's on a better run rate than last year. we've got much bigger problems in the squad that probably not even L1 standard like Hutchinson but let's pick on the one player who has an ounce of creativity and attack in him and castigate him because out manager has put him in defence. This thread is about Thomas so obvs we’re discussing him ! Start a Hutchinson thread 81 if you like ? 😃 I am happy to debate Hutchinson as well, he thought there was a defender in there in No Beefy but Hutchinson isn’t League One standard. A player written off and signed by the owner, it took Ollie Norburn a period to find his league one career. I’ve always said to people on this forum, Rickie Lambert, give a player a chance to settle. Aaron Collins needed an FA Cup second round game against Oxford on November 16th to settle. Evans took a long time to settle as well. |
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Post by mrgasman on Oct 17, 2024 19:21:00 GMT
Roadman for manager, coach and director of Rovers! The man has all the answers 👏. He seems like he’d be great as a coach for 1 to 1 work with Thomas. Geeez, some of the things on this thread does make me laugh. Thing is, there are some who are articulate and will agree or disagree with a post. Then there are others who try and ridicule the poster. Yes I agree, ridiculing a player for his overall stats isn’t good. Anyone with a footballing brain can see that Thomas has the potential to be a good player, then there are those that thrive from being negative about others. |
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Post by socrates on Oct 17, 2024 19:27:43 GMT
If Luke Thomas was the only player struggling to perform and low on confidence at the club we could maybe pin the blame at his door. But he’s not. Not by a long chalk. So when there are several players not fulfilling their potential, or playing at the level we’d expect, or looking obviously low on confidence, we need to be looking for the root cause elsewhere…… I don’t think that there’s particularly a blame to point at anyone’s door currently. We’re an upper league 2 / lower league 1 club and have been for decades. Right now we’re a few points off the drop and a few off the play offs in league 1.. That’s about as good as we’ve had it in those decades. Do we want more ? Of course we do but I think we all know it ain’t likely. Thomas is an average league 1 player and he always gives it everything , I like him. |
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Post by roadman on Oct 17, 2024 19:49:53 GMT
Thing is, there are some who are articulate and will agree or disagree with a post. Then there are others who try and ridicule the poster. Yes I agree, ridiculing a player for his overall stats isn’t good. Anyone with a footballing brain can see that Thomas has the potential to be a good player, then there are those that thrive from being negative about others. Football brain, has the potential? Yes he does but he’s 25 now and we paid for him from Barnsley, he will be on £5,000 a week plus and I’m ridiculing him?! Strikers are judged on goals, Gabriele Jesus for all his hard work and effort wasn’t cutting it, Arsenal went and got Havertz. You can’t deny stats and be sentimental, it’s time Thomas delivered assists and goals, potential is Kofi Shaw, not a 25 year old who had a 7 figure move and paid move to us as well. And finally it’s called debate and opinions, it’s a forum, no one wants Luke Thomas to be a success than me, I hope he returns to his form last Christmas but I do wonder if that’s wing back again. |
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Post by igotgas on Oct 17, 2024 19:50:35 GMT
If Luke Thomas was the only player struggling to perform and low on confidence at the club we could maybe pin the blame at his door. But he’s not. Not by a long chalk. So when there are several players not fulfilling their potential, or playing at the level we’d expect, or looking obviously low on confidence, we need to be looking for the root cause elsewhere…… I don’t think that there’s particularly a blame to point at anyone’s door currently. We’re an upper league 2 / lower league 1 club and have been for decades. Right now we’re a few points off the drop and a few off the play offs in league 1.. That’s about as good as we’ve had it in those decades. Do we want more ? Of course we do but I think we all know it ain’t likely. Thomas is an average league 1 player and he always gives it everything , I like him. My point was, Thomas, along with several other players are really underperforming due to what appears to be a lack of confidence and / or a lack of understanding of their strengths and weaknesses and how to use one and negate the other. The blame lies with the clown in charge. |
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Post by igotgas on Oct 17, 2024 20:10:31 GMT
we've got much bigger problems in the squad that probably not even L1 standard like Hutchinson but let's pick on the one player who has an ounce of creativity and attack in him and castigate him because out manager has put him in defence. Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt, that you went to Stockport and Rotherham, you’ve seen the guy in 258 mins of league 1 football and made your mind up 🤣🤣 If you didn’t travel and managed all the home games you’ve seen just 120 minutes of him in league 1 and decided he’s not good enough? F*cking insane. I’m not having that the difference from 1 to 2 is so great that one of the stand out players in league two is unable at 24 years old to step up into league 1 and that it’s clear to see within 258 minutes of football spread over 4 games. I’ve heard some nonsense in my time but that just about takes the biscuit. |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 17, 2024 20:16:55 GMT
we've got much bigger problems in the squad that probably not even L1 standard like Hutchinson but let's pick on the one player who has an ounce of creativity and attack in him and castigate him because out manager has put him in defence. Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt, that you went to Stockport and Rotherham, you’ve seen the guy in 258 mins of league 1 football and made your mind up 🤣🤣 If you didn’t travel and managed all the home games you’ve seen just 120 minutes of him in league 1 and decided he’s not good enough? F*cking insane. I’m not having that the difference from 1 to 2 is so great that one of the stand out players in league two is unable at 24 years old to step up into league 1 and that it’s clear to see within 258 minutes of football spread over 4 games. I’ve heard some nonsense in my time but that just about takes the biscuit. Agreed , far too early to call him a dud buy. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 17, 2024 20:38:07 GMT
Yes I agree, ridiculing a player for his overall stats isn’t good. Anyone with a footballing brain can see that Thomas has the potential to be a good player, then there are those that thrive from being negative about others. Football brain, has the potential? Yes he does but he’s 25 now and we paid for him from Barnsley, he will be on £5,000 a week plus and I’m ridiculing him?! Strikers are judged on goals, Gabriele Jesus for all his hard work and effort wasn’t cutting it, Arsenal went and got Havertz. You can’t deny stats and be sentimental, it’s time Thomas delivered assists and goals, potential is Kofi Shaw, not a 25 year old who had a 7 figure move and paid move to us as well. And finally it’s called debate and opinions, it’s a forum, no one wants Luke Thomas to be a success than me, I hope he returns to his form last Christmas but I do wonder if that’s wing back again. LT was signed on a free after he declined a new contract at Barnsley, I've no idea what we pay but I'd be shocked if we're paying £5K a week for a winger as he's never been a striker. Not sure what Premiership players have to do with anything, as far as Rovers are concerned it's about getting the best out of their players. If we write off every player who's flopped at their previous clubs we'd never sign anybody, City paid an incredible £1.5m for Taylor Moore but we signed him on a free. Shaw's got potential but that's all he's got, Hunter had that years ago but never made it, if he was that good the likes of Villa would have signed him years ago. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 17, 2024 20:40:07 GMT
Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt, that you went to Stockport and Rotherham, you’ve seen the guy in 258 mins of league 1 football and made your mind up 🤣🤣 If you didn’t travel and managed all the home games you’ve seen just 120 minutes of him in league 1 and decided he’s not good enough? F*cking insane. I’m not having that the difference from 1 to 2 is so great that one of the stand out players in league two is unable at 24 years old to step up into league 1 and that it’s clear to see within 258 minutes of football spread over 4 games. I’ve heard some nonsense in my time but that just about takes the biscuit. Agreed , far too early to call him a dud buy. Hasn't MT decided that's the case as surely he's got to be one of the Swindon game's players no longer training with the first team squad, if that's now been reduced to 14 or so players this week? |
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Post by igotgas on Oct 17, 2024 20:47:34 GMT
Do me a favour!
The Swindon game was what it was and no one can escape that but Hutchinson wasn’t even our worst midfield player let alone worst performer!
I’d like to see MT remove a player or two from the group and see what the PFA made of it before it got back to his own bosses 🤣🤣 it was pure bluster from a man who had the hump cos he got booed and the players didn’t 🤣🤣
Anyway even if he wanted to….and was allowed to….and the PFA didnt care…. how on earth would he decide who was and who wasn’t included from that?
Garrett was worse than Hutchinson, Moore was worse than Taylor, Bilongo worse than Sousa, Promise was worse than Donker, Thomas was worse than Shaw, McCormick was worse than Promise…
Judging anyone long term on that would be a stupid as judging Promise on Cambridge 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by mrgasman on Oct 17, 2024 21:03:11 GMT
Do me a favour! The Swindon game was what it was and no one can escape that but Hutchinson wasn’t even our worst midfield player let alone worst performer! I’d like to see MT remove a player or two from the group and see what the PFA made of it before it got back to his own bosses 🤣🤣 it was pure bluster from a man who had the hump cos he got booed and the players didn’t 🤣🤣 Anyway even if he wanted to….and was allowed to….and the PFA didnt care…. how on earth would he decide who was and who wasn’t included from that? Garrett was worse than Hutchinson, Moore was worse than Taylor, Bilongo worse than Sousa, Promise was worse than Donker, Thomas was worse than Shaw, McCormick was worse than Promise… Judging anyone long term on that would be a stupid as judging Promise on Cambridge 🤣🤣🤣 Exactly, what does he think he is achieving by removing a selection of players from training with the 1st team 😂. Everybody else’s fault but Taylor’s. Can’t wait until the man leaves. He’s on the same level as Ben garner. |
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Post by roadman on Oct 17, 2024 21:19:16 GMT
Do me a favour! The Swindon game was what it was and no one can escape that but Hutchinson wasn’t even our worst midfield player let alone worst performer! I’d like to see MT remove a player or two from the group and see what the PFA made of it before it got back to his own bosses 🤣🤣 it was pure bluster from a man who had the hump cos he got booed and the players didn’t 🤣🤣 Anyway even if he wanted to….and was allowed to….and the PFA didnt care…. how on earth would he decide who was and who wasn’t included from that? Garrett was worse than Hutchinson, Moore was worse than Taylor, Bilongo worse than Sousa, Promise was worse than Donker, Thomas was worse than Shaw, McCormick was worse than Promise… Judging anyone long term on that would be a stupid as judging Promise on Cambridge 🤣🤣🤣 Exactly, what does he think he is achieving by removing a selection of players from training with the 1st team 😂. Everybody else’s fault but Taylor’s. Can’t wait until the man leaves. He’s on the same level as Ben garner. Interesting, ok to ridicule a manager but not a player (which I never did), this is a new on me 🤷🏼♂️👍 |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 17, 2024 21:34:39 GMT
Exactly, what does he think he is achieving by removing a selection of players from training with the 1st team 😂. Everybody else’s fault but Taylor’s. Can’t wait until the man leaves. He’s on the same level as Ben garner. Interesting, ok to ridicule a manager but not a player (which I never did), this is a new on me 🤷🏼♂️👍 Pretty sure you showed your dislike for JB fairly regularly on here? |
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