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Post by Sir Trevor on Oct 27, 2024 16:05:22 GMT
Are there any alleged "Bristol Rovers fans" that posted inappropriate and unpleasant comments about Shaq on this forum yesterday? There might have been. The heat of the moment is no excuse. Not quite sure of your implication. Forde for a kneejerk reaction to an appalling set of officials who justified accusations of being biased? Or posters who had time to reflect on what they were doing? My comments related to some posts on the Bristol Rovers Gaschat matchday thread. Sadly.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 27, 2024 16:29:28 GMT
Terrible we have people like this in society and I wish you had to put in a passport or NI number in to get a social media account, it would stop all this. I stand by what I said at the time, he should be fined and his behaviour was wrong. Of course he deserves and second chance, great statement by the club which is not to blame in any of this and I hope Shaq Forde realises this and reinstates his Bristol Rovers references on social media. Given the alleged abuser seems to have posted the message from his own Instagram account then I doubt using a passport or NI number would change matters, at the end of the day if the police want to trace an abuser they don't seem to have too much trouble, the number of social media users convicted after the recent riots prove that. You'd have to hope Forde's learnt the error of his ways without needing any further punishment but you have to assume the club have their internal disciplinary rules to deal with such incidents.
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Post by eric on Oct 27, 2024 17:17:30 GMT
Soft free that was 50/50 who got it. Ref and Lino deciding who wins game and not team is a disgrace . Should have layed law down to Forde and warned him. Happens too often with officials. Soft free Soft decision I did the FA refs course many many years ago when I lived in Bristol and did many games. Take it from me that was a player/crowd decision and totally over the top. Letter of the law yes but that isn't how you make a decision in those circumstances when you have the discretion to modify . Lucky dip getting a sh** ref and Lino Discretion isn’t really how the referees are asked to manage games these days when something is that clear and obvious. He would have been marked down by the assessor in the stand for choosing to not apply the rules Shaq blatantly kicked the ball away and doing so was an absolutely stupid thing to do when already on a yellow - what went on before and however frustrated he may have been is immaterial. Our fans would have rightly gone mental if an opposition player on a yellow kicked the ball away like that and got away with it. Stupid but we move on and he’ll hopefully have learned from it. Fortunately I believe it’s just a one match ban that will be served in the W-S-M game.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 27, 2024 17:21:48 GMT
I did the FA refs course many many years ago when I lived in Bristol and did many games. Take it from me that was a player/crowd decision and totally over the top. Letter of the law yes but that isn't how you make a decision in those circumstances when you have the discretion to modify . Lucky dip getting a sh** ref and Lino Discretion isn’t really how the referees are asked to manage games these days when something is that clear and obvious. He would have been marked down by the assessor in the stand for choosing to not apply the rules Shaq blatantly kicked the ball away and doing so was an absolutely stupid thing to do when already on a yellow - what went on before and however frustrated he may have been is immaterial. Our fans would have rightly gone mental if an opposition player on a yellow kicked the ball away like that and got away with it. Stupid but we move on and he’ll hopefully have learned from it. Fortunately I believe it’s just a one match ban that will be served in the W-S-M game. Spot on Eric.
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Post by bluegas on Oct 27, 2024 17:55:39 GMT
Not quite sure of your implication. Forde for a kneejerk reaction to an appalling set of officials who justified accusations of being biased? Or posters who had time to reflect on what they were doing? My comments related to some posts on the Bristol Rovers Gaschat matchday thread. Sadly. Thanks for making it clear. I hoped that's what you meant.
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Post by Quarters on Oct 27, 2024 17:58:05 GMT
Re kicking the ball away. A reading player did something similar. Can't remember what exactly but involved a goal kick for them.
May have kicked the ball onto the pitch after keeper got another one.
Will let someone else scroll through the footage to find it.
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Post by singupgas on Oct 27, 2024 18:33:54 GMT
Couldn't care if he was given a straight red, there is actually never any circumstance when racially abusing someone is acceptable. There is no justification.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 27, 2024 18:42:40 GMT
Re kicking the ball away. A reading player did something similar. Can't remember what exactly but involved a goal kick for them. May have kicked the ball onto the pitch after keeper got another one. Will let someone else scroll through the footage to find it. I don't believe there's any full replays to watch anywhere online this season? Whatever the Reading player did I doubt it's was obvious as what SF did, which was really totally indefensible when he was already on a yellow. ]
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 27, 2024 18:44:56 GMT
Couldn't care if he was given a straight red, there is actually never any circumstance when racially abusing someone is acceptable. There is no justification. Nobody has suggested otherwise on Gaschat? At the moment there's some doubts the culprit even follows Rovers, I assume that's why Reading have also released a statement condoing the abuse.
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Post by socrates on Oct 27, 2024 19:04:51 GMT
Disgusting to read that he received vile abuse. If the club can identify who they are which should be easy if they are from the club, ban them. In fact I would go one step further, name and shame them. Well it’s insighting racial hatred I’d imagine from the reaction (I didn’t read the abuse don’t know what was said ) which would be a criminal offence so I’d imagine he’ll/ she’ll get more than just a slap on the wrist and a football ban.
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Post by bluegas on Oct 27, 2024 19:05:33 GMT
Re kicking the ball away. A reading player did something similar. Can't remember what exactly but involved a goal kick for them. May have kicked the ball onto the pitch after keeper got another one. Will let someone else scroll through the footage to find it. I don't believe there's any full replays to watch anywhere online this season? Whatever the Reading player did I doubt it's was obvious as what SF did, which was really totally indefensible when he was already on a yellow. ] My buddy and I were in Block 32, Row Z. He's an ex-referee. He saw plenty of fouls by Reading players which were unpunished. There was even a foul by a Rovers player down in front of us which went unpunished. If we could see it, why couldn't the referee? Didn't see it? Then his positioning must be in doubt. I well remember Rebecca Welch reffing us. She seemed to have no trouble in controlling the game and getting decisions right. Baffled why others can't.
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Post by socrates on Oct 27, 2024 19:22:34 GMT
I don't believe there's any full replays to watch anywhere online this season? Whatever the Reading player did I doubt it's was obvious as what SF did, which was really totally indefensible when he was already on a yellow. ] My buddy and I were in Block 32, Row Z. He's an ex-referee. He saw plenty of fouls by Reading players which were unpunished. There was even a foul by a Rovers player down in front of us which went unpunished. If we could see it, why couldn't the referee? Didn't see it? Then his positioning must be in doubt. I well remember Rebecca Welch reffing us. She seemed to have no trouble in controlling the game and getting decisions right. Baffled why others can't. Perhaps not enough work, money and training is being applied to referees at our level ? Obviously we’re professional clubs in the lower leagues , I’m pretty sure even the conference clubs are all professional these days yet I think and I could be wrong that the refs at our level have normal day jobs ? Refs at our level are regularly unfit physically and in terms of ability also and there’s zero consistency. I get that refs are human beings so there will never be total consistency but it’s almost as if overt week we have some bloke who’s not fit enough to get around the pitch making up the rules as he goes along. I suppose the luck side of it evens itself out over the course of the season but that’s not really the point.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 27, 2024 20:06:59 GMT
My buddy and I were in Block 32, Row Z. He's an ex-referee. He saw plenty of fouls by Reading players which were unpunished. There was even a foul by a Rovers player down in front of us which went unpunished. If we could see it, why couldn't the referee? Didn't see it? Then his positioning must be in doubt. I well remember Rebecca Welch reffing us. She seemed to have no trouble in controlling the game and getting decisions right. Baffled why others can't. Perhaps not enough work, money and training is being applied to referees at our level ? Obviously we’re professional clubs in the lower leagues , I’m pretty sure even the conference clubs are all professional these days yet I think and I could be wrong that the refs at our level have normal day jobs ? Refs at our level are regularly unfit physically and in terms of ability also and there’s zero consistency. I get that refs are human beings so there will never be total consistency but it’s almost as if overt week we have some bloke who’s not fit enough to get around the pitch making up the rules as he goes along. I suppose the luck side of it evens itself out over the course of the season but that’s not really the point. Refereeing is a problem in football from the top down. They don't get enough protection and every little thing they do is over analysed in HD slo-mo. They get abuse from fans, players and "experts". None of them set out to cheat or be bias, they are just human beings trying to do an impossible job against a backdrop of abuse and cheating left right and centre by players. Players abuse them and appeal for/against every single decision a ref has to make. I've reffed a couple of games at grass roots level and it's a thankless job, and no one wants to do it. In kids football a ref gets paid around £20 for a game which is their Sunday afternoon gone every week. My lad reffed a couple of girls games when he was 14 and he enjoyed it but the club refused to pay him because he was under 16 so he gave up. I run the line every week because no one else wants to do it. I'm so fed up with reading about bad refs, when football does f**k all to help and encourage more people to do it and do it well.
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Post by rainhamgas on Oct 27, 2024 20:19:27 GMT
It’s been quite a difficult place to come and read about my beloved club on here of late. A lot of neagativity based an a predication that some how we have the right to demand the managers and the players heads because we’re not winning week in and week out. I think this is a wake up call that we need to calm the f**k down and just support the boys in blue and white….
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Post by socrates on Oct 27, 2024 20:34:26 GMT
Perhaps not enough work, money and training is being applied to referees at our level ? Obviously we’re professional clubs in the lower leagues , I’m pretty sure even the conference clubs are all professional these days yet I think and I could be wrong that the refs at our level have normal day jobs ? Refs at our level are regularly unfit physically and in terms of ability also and there’s zero consistency. I get that refs are human beings so there will never be total consistency but it’s almost as if overt week we have some bloke who’s not fit enough to get around the pitch making up the rules as he goes along. I suppose the luck side of it evens itself out over the course of the season but that’s not really the point. Refereeing is a problem in football from the top down. They don't get enough protection and every little thing they do is over analysed in HD slo-mo. They get abuse from fans, players and "experts". None of them set out to cheat or be bias, they are just human beings trying to do an impossible job against a backdrop of abuse and cheating left right and centre by players. Players abuse them and appeal for/against every single decision a ref has to make. I've reffed a couple of games at grass roots level and it's a thankless job, and no one wants to do it. In kids football a ref gets paid around £20 for a game which is their Sunday afternoon gone every week. My lad reffed a couple of girls games when he was 14 and he enjoyed it but the club refused to pay him because he was under 16 so he gave up. I run the line every week because no one else wants to do it. I'm so fed up with reading about bad refs, when football does f**k all to help and encourage more people to do it and do it well. Fair play to you. You know more than most then. I’ve been asked if I wanted to do it at goals soccer centre where I’ve been playing for 25 years in the league there, It’s £11 per game and there’s four slots, £44 for 4 hours getting abuse and criticism none stop. No thanks.
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Post by trickortreat on Oct 27, 2024 21:03:33 GMT
Absolutely no excuse for racism, there is no doubt about that.
However, I also hope Shaq Forde has taken accountability for his actions letting down the team yesterday.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 27, 2024 21:34:54 GMT
Refereeing is a problem in football from the top down. They don't get enough protection and every little thing they do is over analysed in HD slo-mo. They get abuse from fans, players and "experts". None of them set out to cheat or be bias, they are just human beings trying to do an impossible job against a backdrop of abuse and cheating left right and centre by players. Players abuse them and appeal for/against every single decision a ref has to make. I've reffed a couple of games at grass roots level and it's a thankless job, and no one wants to do it. In kids football a ref gets paid around £20 for a game which is their Sunday afternoon gone every week. My lad reffed a couple of girls games when he was 14 and he enjoyed it but the club refused to pay him because he was under 16 so he gave up. I run the line every week because no one else wants to do it. I'm so fed up with reading about bad refs, when football does f**k all to help and encourage more people to do it and do it well. Fair play to you. You know more than most then. I’ve been asked if I wanted to do it at goals soccer centre where I’ve been playing for 25 years in the league there, It’s £11 per game and there’s four slots, £44 for 4 hours getting abuse and criticism none stop. No thanks. The thing you quickly realize when you ref a game is just how little you actually see. From the stands or on TV you can see the whole game, you get a view of what's happening off the ball, you see players positions and such. When you are actually in the middle of the pitch you only see what you are directly looking at, and even with the best reading of the game it's almost impossible to keep up with play sometimes. I actually think most refs do a bloody good job as they do tend to get a massive majority of decisions correct when you add it up. The biggest issue for me is players cheating because they are trying their best to make an impossible job more impossible! It frustrates me when I hear commentators say "he bought a foul" or "he's done well" when what they really mean is "he's cheated". The culture of football needs to change, but as long as fans and players keep blaming referees for 1 or 2 bad decisions when players make 10 bad decisions or 10 bad passes in a game then nothing is ever going to improve.
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Post by tbonegas on Oct 27, 2024 21:37:36 GMT
All this time wasting sh it is winding me up more match by match. There was in incident in the Shrewsbury match on Tuesday where the ball went out of play literally a yard away from the spare ball. The cheating scumbag Shrewsbury toss er then proceeded to walk 15/20 yards to pick up the original ball. Needless to say it was 0-0 at the time.
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Post by trickortreat on Oct 27, 2024 21:40:36 GMT
Refereeing is a problem in football from the top down. They don't get enough protection and every little thing they do is over analysed in HD slo-mo. They get abuse from fans, players and "experts". None of them set out to cheat or be bias, they are just human beings trying to do an impossible job against a backdrop of abuse and cheating left right and centre by players. Players abuse them and appeal for/against every single decision a ref has to make. I've reffed a couple of games at grass roots level and it's a thankless job, and no one wants to do it. In kids football a ref gets paid around £20 for a game which is their Sunday afternoon gone every week. My lad reffed a couple of girls games when he was 14 and he enjoyed it but the club refused to pay him because he was under 16 so he gave up. I run the line every week because no one else wants to do it. I'm so fed up with reading about bad refs, when football does f**k all to help and encourage more people to do it and do it well. Fair play to you. You know more than most then. I’ve been asked if I wanted to do it at goals soccer centre where I’ve been playing for 25 years in the league there, It’s £11 per game and there’s four slots, £44 for 4 hours getting abuse and criticism none stop. No thanks. Depends how you look at it, my missus doesn't pay me that much and I get more then 4 hours of it 👀🤣
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