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Post by perryfenwick on Nov 12, 2024 19:47:26 GMT
Do you think chairmen/owners have no impact on the success or failure of clubs? He hired the managers that led us to two relegations, failed to build a new ground, and let the current ground go to rot. What would anyone learn from him? Are you talking about NH or Wael as they both seem to have similar records , Wael did deliver the training ground but that apparently needs a total rebuild! I'm talking about Higgs here. Wael did do the training ground, and fixed the rot Higgs left him in BS7, but that's about it in terms of positives. On the pitch it was seven years of no progress - took over with a promotion back to L1 about to be sealed, lost full control with a promotion to L1 confirmed - after a relegation on his watch that could easily have been avoided. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Nov 12, 2024 19:50:56 GMT
Do you think chairmen/owners have no impact on the success or failure of clubs? He hired the managers that led us to two relegations, failed to build a new ground, and let the current ground go to rot. What would anyone learn from him? If you want to play that game then can we praise him for the leadership he showed sticking by DC when fans were boarding team coaches...his foresight led to us keeping hold of probably the best manager in our history who lead us to a double promotion. Lambert was in the last year of his contract and could've walked away for nothing, he negotiated a deal with a decent release clause and add ons that made us millions. Look at that compared to the situation with Lee Brown, Lockyer and Matty Taylor. In face he got us more in transfer fees for Carayol (who'd had literally 7 good games in his career), Michael Smith (never played above league two) and Harrold (after he'd had his knee reconstructed); than we got for Brown, Lockyer, Taylor and Bodin. Leave it with you. He took us to non league and we were a penalty shoot out away from staying there. If it wasn't for the ref, we might not have a club now. Wael said he probably wouldn't have bought us, if we had lost that day and we would have still had the high interest loan to pay. |
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Post by gasheadowen on Nov 12, 2024 19:57:37 GMT
If you want to play that game then can we praise him for the leadership he showed sticking by DC when fans were boarding team coaches...his foresight led to us keeping hold of probably the best manager in our history who lead us to a double promotion. Lambert was in the last year of his contract and could've walked away for nothing, he negotiated a deal with a decent release clause and add ons that made us millions. Look at that compared to the situation with Lee Brown, Lockyer and Matty Taylor. In face he got us more in transfer fees for Carayol (who'd had literally 7 good games in his career), Michael Smith (never played above league two) and Harrold (after he'd had his knee reconstructed); than we got for Brown, Lockyer, Taylor and Bodin. Leave it with you. He took us to non league and we were a penalty shoot out away from staying there. If it wasn't for the ref, we might not have a club now. Wael said he probably wouldn't have bought us, if we had lost that day and we would have still had the high interest loan to pay. If O'Toole and/or McCrystal had headed the ball two inches lower against Mansfield we wouldn't have even been in that final. Football is about fine margins. |
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Post by eric on Nov 12, 2024 19:58:22 GMT
If you want to play that game then can we praise him for the leadership he showed sticking by DC when fans were boarding team coaches...his foresight led to us keeping hold of probably the best manager in our history who lead us to a double promotion. Lambert was in the last year of his contract and could've walked away for nothing, he negotiated a deal with a decent release clause and add ons that made us millions. Look at that compared to the situation with Lee Brown, Lockyer and Matty Taylor. In face he got us more in transfer fees for Carayol (who'd had literally 7 good games in his career), Michael Smith (never played above league two) and Harrold (after he'd had his knee reconstructed); than we got for Brown, Lockyer, Taylor and Bodin. Leave it with you. He took us to non league and we were a penalty shoot out away from staying there. If it wasn't for the ref, we might not have a club now. Wael said he probably wouldn't have bought us, if we had lost that day and we would have still had the high interest loan to pay. Agreed. Also, would we have survived covid if Higgs had still been owner? As we were hanging on to existence with a payday loan I doubt it. I’d love to know how Higgs would have made Lockyer sign a new contract against his will when he was clearly intent on running down his contract to become a free agent and secure his families financial future. Headlock? Thumbscrews? Waterboarding? 🤣 |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 12, 2024 20:16:36 GMT
Most clubs, like most businesses, survived COVID thanks to the generous loans handed out by the Government, which anybody in work will be paying back for decades.
Back to NH given that he took us to the edge of oblivion fighting Sainsbury's, then who in their right minds would ask him for help in running Rovers? It's a bit like saying Kier Stammer should ask Liz Truss how to run the Government!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 12, 2024 20:18:54 GMT
Ask Darragh MacAnthony if he'd deal with us again. Ipswich reported us to the EFL for not paying for Baggot which nearly ended in us having a transfer embargo at the last window. Perhaps may be some of the reason. But I've had too many people within our club and footballing circles, who would have no real justifiable reason for any loyalty to Wael, to carbon copy mention all the things that have been posted. Bear in mind, some of these things arent recent, they have been going on for months. The club owe me money from August 2023. I hear Total Print are owed £50k and are over 90 days. There is just too much going on for it to be smoke and mirrors, conjecture and opinion with unwavering loyalty. I think it's a total cluster from ever side and it smacks of incompetence and inexperience. If we offered Peterborough what they wanted for a player, they would deal with us again. If they wanted one of our players and we accepted their bid, they would deal with us again. They might say they won't, but money talks and if they want that money, things would change. We can offer to pay any valuation. The issue is actually paying the money owed. So yes, clubs may deal with us, but I suspect that may be on a cash up front basis for some clubs from now on. |
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Post by returnofthedust on Nov 12, 2024 20:21:05 GMT
Do you think chairmen/owners have no impact on the success or failure of clubs? He hired the managers that led us to two relegations, failed to build a new ground, and let the current ground go to rot. What would anyone learn from him? If you want to play that game then can we praise him for the leadership he showed sticking by DC when fans were boarding team coaches...his foresight led to us keeping hold of probably the best manager in our history who lead us to a double promotion. Lambert was in the last year of his contract and could've walked away for nothing, he negotiated a deal with a decent release clause and add ons that made us millions. Look at that compared to the situation with Lee Brown, Lockyer and Matty Taylor. In face he got us more in transfer fees for Carayol (who'd had literally 7 good games in his career), Michael Smith (never played above league two) and Harrold (after he'd had his knee reconstructed); than we got for Brown, Lockyer, Taylor and Bodin. Leave it with you. He stuck by DC because he had no money to sack him and he eventually got incredibly close to pulling the trigger after sounding out Gary Johnson. Lambert didn’t have a release clause. Carayol was a good deal. Harold went for literally peanuts. Michael smith played 3 seasons in league one. With regards to transfer fees. Taylor we knwo we got robbed and why. Bodin was a good fee for a bloke with less than a year on his deal. Lockyer wouldn’t sign a deal and nobody tried to buy him. See also Lee Brown. We also robbed 750k for Ellis. We can try and rewrite history but Higgs time as owner was largely disastrous |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 12, 2024 20:32:06 GMT
If we offered Peterborough what they wanted for a player, they would deal with us again. If they wanted one of our players and we accepted their bid, they would deal with us again. They might say they won't, but money talks and if they want that money, things would change. We can offer to pay any valuation. The issue is actually paying the money owed. So yes, clubs may deal with us, but I suspect that may be on a cash up front basis for some clubs from now on. It's a big leap from just a Gaschat rumour to now suggesting clubs won't deal with us in the future? Pirate was suggesting no clubs would deal with us after the Conteh transfer then we signed 16 players this summer. Although we had this before with "fencegate" then it turned out it was down to issues with the work carried out not the club refusing to pay up. |
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Post by roadman on Nov 12, 2024 21:31:48 GMT
Is my suggestion that Higgs spending a few afternoons a month at the club in a mentoring role looking so daft now? Personally if you want a ground built and need planning, Nick and Ed Ware are the specialists at this, they delivered two successful planning applications. People laugh, the one man who was never held in any regard and was a decent honest man was Martyn Starnes. Ok he wasn’t elite level but sacked because he questioned Barton’s obscene use of the budget by Jennings and Barton. Undermined as well by Captain Paintball Expert Gibson with his 7 followers on LinkedIn. But as we are not building anything, we don’t need Higgs back in my opinion. We are some of the worst fans in the country, I am talking collectively here, we are mushrooms. If this was Ashton Gate they would be rioting, they hammer SL and do banners at the potential of the wrong managerial appointment. We get some bloke come in and say we are going for the Premiership and we believe it, one year on we say “oh it’s better now”. Until our fans protest and demand better, we will always be secretly be proud of being rag bag, it’s our mantra. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 12, 2024 21:36:55 GMT
Is my suggestion that Higgs spending a few afternoons a month at the club in a mentoring role looking so daft now? Personally if you want a ground built and need planning, Nick and Ed Ware are the specialists at this, they delivered two successful planning applications. People laugh, the one man who was never held in any regard and was a decent honest man was Martyn Starnes. Ok he wasn’t elite level but sacked because he questioned Barton’s obscene use of the budget by Jennings and Barton. Undermined as well by Captain Paintball Expert Gibson with his 7 followers on LinkedIn. But as we are not building anything, we don’t need Higgs back in my opinion. We are some of the worst fans in the country, I am talking collectively here, we are mushrooms. If this was Ashton Gate they would be rioting, they hammer SL and do banners at the potential of the wrong managerial appointment. We get some bloke come in and say we are going for the Premiership and we believe it, one year on we say “oh it’s better now”. Until our fans protest and demand better, we will always be secretly be proud of being rag bag, it’s our mantra. To be fair he didn't actually say we are going for the premiership, that was the interviewer putting words in his mouth. His response could have been better but he was thrown a daft line. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 12, 2024 21:42:11 GMT
Is my suggestion that Higgs spending a few afternoons a month at the club in a mentoring role looking so daft now? Personally if you want a ground built and need planning, Nick and Ed Ware are the specialists at this, they delivered two successful planning applications. People laugh, the one man who was never held in any regard and was a decent honest man was Martyn Starnes. Ok he wasn’t elite level but sacked because he questioned Barton’s obscene use of the budget by Jennings and Barton. Undermined as well by Captain Paintball Expert Gibson with his 7 followers on LinkedIn. But as we are not building anything, we don’t need Higgs back in my opinion. We are some of the worst fans in the country, I am talking collectively here, we are mushrooms. If this was Ashton Gate they would be rioting, they hammer SL and do banners at the potential of the wrong managerial appointment. We get some bloke come in and say we are going for the Premiership and we believe it, one year on we say “oh it’s better now”. Until our fans protest and demand better, we will always be secretly be proud of being rag bag, it’s our mantra. Starnes over saw our relegation to L1 and JB's "obscene" budget ensured we returned to L1, if Wael had listened to MS we might still be in L2. Wael's mistake was letting JB's mob run the whole show. Perhaps we're just a better class of supporter than those at AG, I've always had the impression they are mostly a bunch of yobs just looking for a fight, our last game there seems to support that view. I'm pretty certain none of our fans have ever tried to burn AG down. |
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Post by roadman on Nov 12, 2024 21:51:01 GMT
Personally if you want a ground built and need planning, Nick and Ed Ware are the specialists at this, they delivered two successful planning applications. People laugh, the one man who was never held in any regard and was a decent honest man was Martyn Starnes. Ok he wasn’t elite level but sacked because he questioned Barton’s obscene use of the budget by Jennings and Barton. Undermined as well by Captain Paintball Expert Gibson with his 7 followers on LinkedIn. But as we are not building anything, we don’t need Higgs back in my opinion. We are some of the worst fans in the country, I am talking collectively here, we are mushrooms. If this was Ashton Gate they would be rioting, they hammer SL and do banners at the potential of the wrong managerial appointment. We get some bloke come in and say we are going for the Premiership and we believe it, one year on we say “oh it’s better now”. Until our fans protest and demand better, we will always be secretly be proud of being rag bag, it’s our mantra. Starnes over saw our relegation to L1 and JB's "obscene" budget ensured we returned to L1, if Wael had listened to MS we might still be in L2. Wael's mistake was letting JB's mob run the whole show. Perhaps we're just a better class of supporter than those at AG, I've always had the impression they are mostly a bunch of yobs just looking for a fight, our last game there seems to support that view. I'm pretty certain none of our fans have ever tried to burn AG down. No if Wael had listened to Martin who on the Sunday said, give Cogs another chance after he begged to keep his job and apologised, we would have stayed up easy and maybe done a Wycombe and gone in the play offs on PPG via covid. Martin said, give Graham the benefit of the doubt. Regardless of what a City fan is, you can’t say they are all yobs, collectively they demand ambition. I wish Geoff Twentyman was around still, he never held back and punches, he went in really hard on Wael a few times and we need this now Hussain |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 12, 2024 22:00:49 GMT
It's pointless going back to GC's era, likewise City haven't always been miles ahead of us, so fans in the past couldn't have been anymore demanding.
If the Al Seead's refuse to be interviewed then even GT wouldn't be able to get any answers. Perhaps they've learned from listening back to some of the nonsense Wael came out with.
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Post by roadman on Nov 12, 2024 22:08:51 GMT
It's pointless going back to GC's era, likewise City haven't always been miles ahead of us, so fans in the past couldn't have been anymore demanding. If the Al Seead's refuse to be interviewed then even GT wouldn't be able to get any answers. Perhaps they've learned from listening back to some of the nonsense Wael came out with. I’m not going back to his era as ok wanting him back, I am just saying if Wael listened to Martyn, he’d have saved on a relegation with wife beater and probably over another £10 million in the bank! The original poster was an advocate of Higgs which I’d get on building work but I said I’d have taken Starnes over him. GT always got an interview and when he couldn’t he said in the past we’ve made contact for an interview and not heard back. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 12, 2024 22:12:58 GMT
It's pointless going back to GC's era, likewise City haven't always been miles ahead of us, so fans in the past couldn't have been anymore demanding. If the Al Seead's refuse to be interviewed then even GT wouldn't be able to get any answers. Perhaps they've learned from listening back to some of the nonsense Wael came out with. I’m not going back to his era as ok wanting him back, I am just saying if Wael listened to Martyn, he’d have saved on a relegation with wife beater and probably over another £10 million in the bank! The original poster was an advocate of Higgs which I’d get on building work but I said I’d have taken Starnes over him. GT always got an interview and when he couldn’t he said in the pa st we’ve made contact for an interview and not heard back. Which is what R Bristol stated a couple of weeks ago on HaG. |
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Post by jongas1 on Nov 12, 2024 22:17:38 GMT
Starnes over saw our relegation to L1 and JB's "obscene" budget ensured we returned to L1, if Wael had listened to MS we might still be in L2. Wael's mistake was letting JB's mob run the whole show. Perhaps we're just a better class of supporter than those at AG, I've always had the impression they are mostly a bunch of yobs just looking for a fight, our last game there seems to support that view. I'm pretty certain none of our fans have ever tried to burn AG down. No if Wael had listened to Martin who on the Sunday said, give Cogs another chance after he begged to keep his job and apologised, we would have stayed up easy and maybe done a Wycombe and gone in the play offs on PPG via covid. Martin said, give Graham the benefit of the doubt. Regardless of what a City fan is, you can’t say they are all yobs, collectively they demand ambition. I wish Geoff Twentyman was around still, he never held back and punches, he went in really hard on Wael a few times and we need this now Hussain Don’t mean to sidetrack, what did Cogs apologise for? |
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Post by roadman on Nov 12, 2024 22:23:05 GMT
No if Wael had listened to Martin who on the Sunday said, give Cogs another chance after he begged to keep his job and apologised, we would have stayed up easy and maybe done a Wycombe and gone in the play offs on PPG via covid. Martin said, give Graham the benefit of the doubt. Regardless of what a City fan is, you can’t say they are all yobs, collectively they demand ambition. I wish Geoff Twentyman was around still, he never held back and punches, he went in really hard on Wael a few times and we need this now Hussain Don’t mean to sidetrack, what did Cogs apologise for? His outburst after the game and talking about questioning his future. Martyn said he’s sorry and Wael said it was too late, he’s going and then project Garner started who tried to change tactics mid season which was a DISASTER. |
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Post by kentgas on Nov 12, 2024 22:34:49 GMT
Don’t mean to sidetrack, what did Cogs apologise for? His outburst after the game and talking about questioning his future. Martyn said he’s sorry and Wael said it was too late, he’s going and then project Garner started who tried to change tactics mid season which was a DISASTER. Clearly remember Garner saying in an early interview (maybe his first) that he had no intention of changing tactics immediately and that it would be mad to change what was clearly working - paraphrasing a bit here but you get the gist. Then lo and behold he did change it immediately as far as I recall and we all know the result. |
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Post by roadman on Nov 12, 2024 22:36:55 GMT
His outburst after the game and talking about questioning his future. Martyn said he’s sorry and Wael said it was too late, he’s going and then project Garner started who tried to change tactics mid season which was a DISASTER. Clearly remember Garner saying in an early interview (maybe his first) that he had no intention of changing tactics immediately and that it would be mad to change what was clearly working - paraphrasing a bit here but you get the gist. Then lo and behold he did change it immediately as far as I recall and we all know the result. Told to and told to play Barrett by Tommy and Ozzie signed by Wael Ironically it’s the same now, Cogs wanted Scales and now champions league and international. MT wanted Rotherham keeper and Abdul stopped it. |
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Post by returnofthedust on Nov 12, 2024 22:46:15 GMT
His outburst after the game and talking about questioning his future. Martyn said he’s sorry and Wael said it was too late, he’s going and then project Garner started who tried to change tactics mid season which was a DISASTER. Clearly remember Garner saying in an early interview (maybe his first) that he had no intention of changing tactics immediately and that it would be mad to change what was clearly working - paraphrasing a bit here but you get the gist. Then lo and behold he did change it immediately as far as I recall and we all know the result. He said in an interview after he left that the club changed his remit once he was in the door. He was to change the playing style, bring the squad age down as well as the wage bill. Someone decided to change the whole thing when we were 4th in the league. A crazy decision. Some people think this person is the saviour. Laughable. |
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