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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 10:08:51 GMT
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Post by Severncider on May 22, 2015 10:27:57 GMT
When a Judge delivers a "verdict" they do that before the start of that days Court proceedings.
On Monday or was it Tuesday, before our case restarted a Judge who must have heard a different case gave the verdict for that case before our case recommenced. In that instance it took him 5 minutes and then he disappeared.
I am told it may take a few hours if she reads out the reason for her decision, but if she starts with I find in ********* favour, it is possible to tweet, send email or message with a short heading "we won/lost" and then follow up when she finishes why the decision went that way.
I am hopeful it will go our way, would I bet my house on it, no. The moral answer is that "it should go our way" but the legal answer is "who knows".
Thanks severncider, make sure you leave the court room before you tweet as we don't want you lock up for contempt of court at the depth. I do not have a Twitter account, but can post messages.
Some spectators were tweeting and/or sending messages from the Court. The important thing is that any mobile phone is on "silent running" otherwise you will be in DEEP trouble with the Judge. Also, as laptops/tablets have no phone ability, it is safe to use those in Court.
To others on here, the case MUST CLOSE at about 4pm this evening but NO VERDICT will be given today, as the Judge has to read all the evidence and the legal arguments from both sides.
If I had to bet when the verdict will be made, I'd plump for 10.30 on Wednesday morning. This is based on the Court being closed on Bank Holiday Monday, the Judge gives both legal teams 24 hours notice of when the verdict will be given, so that points to Wednesday.
I aim to be there for the verdict along with at least one other Gashead from this forum!!!!!!!
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on May 22, 2015 10:31:21 GMT
The club, meanwhile, are believed to have suspended season-ticket sales for the time being. Finance director Toni Watola was unavailable for comment when contacted by the Bristol Post, at the time of going to press. Read more: www.bristolpost.co.uk/BRISTOL-ROVERS-Darrell-Clarke-facing-big/story-26549004-detail/story.html#ixzz3arCiYGEa Does this imply as was being reported on here and the other forum earlier this week that should we win the court case that we may have to move out of the Mem sooner than expected? They wouldn't want to sell ST for the Mem, if we end up playing at Twerton, Cheltenham or elsewhere etc. More nonsense from the C*ty rag.
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Post by inee on May 22, 2015 10:42:28 GMT
The club, meanwhile, are believed to have suspended season-ticket sales for the time being. Finance director Toni Watola was unavailable for comment when contacted by the Bristol Post, at the time of going to press. Read more: www.bristolpost.co.uk/BRISTOL-ROVERS-Darrell-Clarke-facing-big/story-26549004-detail/story.html#ixzz3arCiYGEa Does this imply as was being reported on here and the other forum earlier this week that should we win the court case that we may have to move out of the Mem sooner than expected? They wouldn't want to sell ST for the Mem, if we end up playing at Twerton, Cheltenham or elsewhere etc. I seem to remember that the planning stated, that we would use the mem until the first game has been played at the uwe, then sainsburies can start work at the mem. It's in the planning somewhere ,but i cant look it up as i cant concentrate for long periods atm.
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Post by inee on May 22, 2015 10:43:33 GMT
The club, meanwhile, are believed to have suspended season-ticket sales for the time being. Finance director Toni Watola was unavailable for comment when contacted by the Bristol Post, at the time of going to press. Read more: www.bristolpost.co.uk/BRISTOL-ROVERS-Darrell-Clarke-facing-big/story-26549004-detail/story.html#ixzz3arCiYGEa Does this imply as was being reported on here and the other forum earlier this week that should we win the court case that we may have to move out of the Mem sooner than expected? They wouldn't want to sell ST for the Mem, if we end up playing at Twerton, Cheltenham or elsewhere etc. More nonsense from the C*ty rag. Realistically it would be suicide for anyone from the club to speak to the press until the final verdict is given
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Post by Severncider on May 22, 2015 10:45:47 GMT
The club, meanwhile, are believed to have suspended season-ticket sales for the time being. Finance director Toni Watola was unavailable for comment when contacted by the Bristol Post, at the time of going to press. Read more: www.bristolpost.co.uk/BRISTOL-ROVERS-Darrell-Clarke-facing-big/story-26549004-detail/story.html#ixzz3arCiYGEa Does this imply as was being reported on here and the other forum earlier this week that should we win the court case that we may have to move out of the Mem sooner than expected? They wouldn't want to sell ST for the Mem, if we end up playing at Twerton, Cheltenham or elsewhere etc. More nonsense from the C*ty rag. This may not be nonsense.
It was stated in Court that if Sainsbury have to buy The Mem, that BRFC do have alternative venues to play games IF Sainsbury are bloody minded enough to kick us out immediately or within any time frame stipulated in the Contract.
YES, I know everyone has assumed that we can continue to play at The Mem during the construction of UWE, but I am only reiterating what was said in Court.
Before going into meltdown, I suggest we all wait for the verdict next week before getting hot under the collar. There are several things that are not clear to me, even if we win, but they can be cleared up later and I was in Court for the first five days.
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Post by greenmantle1915 on May 22, 2015 11:27:38 GMT
Thanks Brian for all your updates and for those other kind people as well,it is really very much appreciated. Regards. Rod.
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Post by yatetown85 on May 22, 2015 12:09:59 GMT
From t'other forum
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Post by Parrot on May 22, 2015 15:30:06 GMT
So we must be done and dusted now. Tense wait till the verdict
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Post by Cantankerous Gas on May 22, 2015 15:32:01 GMT
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Post by yatetown85 on May 22, 2015 16:01:22 GMT
From t'other forum
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Post by Staffordshire Gas on May 22, 2015 16:09:56 GMT
Been a brilliant week on the field.Have good vibes over the outcome but until appeals against appeals are heard and the diggers actually move in I won't hold my breath.Well done to our guys for giving it everything they've got.Sainsbury's should be ashamed of how they have handled this. Anyway,retained list,new signings,league Cup draw,league fixtures etc to look forward to.Reckon we'd fill our own TV Channel no probs.
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Post by yatetown85 on May 22, 2015 16:29:03 GMT
Twentyman saying the decision could be several weeks, I didn't think this was possible, as Rovers asked for a decision before June?
@geoff20man: Apparently a decision on the Memorial Stadium could take "several weeks" according to our reporter @official_BRFC #BristolRovers
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Post by yatetown85 on May 22, 2015 16:51:19 GMT
Last update from BillyOcean's mate - billyocean 18 minutes ago a more piratey game likes this. Quote likePost Options Our man in court has submitted his final report. Done a very thorough job so many thanks to him I'm afraid our QC did drone on a bit in his submission, with a very methodical breakdown of witness cross-exam records. Left no stone unturned in making his points, but in my opinion his point was sometimes lost because of his laborious approach. At the end of all submissions the Judge thanked both sides for very comprehensive submissions - seeing as how Sainsbury's took 20mins, it was obviously aimed at our QC!! Basically, Sainsbury's laid out 9 points. I can't recall all of them but the gist was they questioned what contractual Good Faith and Reasonable/Best Endeavours actually meant. They questioned the value of the 1980s case cited by our QC as being out of date and not relevant to more recent legal definitions. Besides, their view was that, if Sainsbury's were required to act in good faith and 'do their best', that ended when the planning application had been refused. Rovers are arguing it didn't end. Rovers had also said Sainsbury's had put that application in knowing it would fail - that was not good faith or best endeavours. Sainsbury's said they were obligated to put an application in and they fulfilled it. They claimed they couldn't have known it would be refused. Once it was refused, that's it, they could reasonably terminate the agreement. Sainsbury's also poured scorn on Rovs declaration that they couldn't get building tenders lined up because of Sainsbury's not making all efforts to resolve the planning permission. Presumably to counter Rovs claims of damage to them by the delays Sainsbury's had engineered by doing nothing. Higgs was nodding his head at this point quite vigorously! Sainsbury's said there was no proof of this. I didn't think some of the points hit home but it seemed to simply boil down to Sainsbury's asking the Judge to apply the letter of the law: No planning permission = Sainsbury's had right to terminate. End of. Forget Good Faith etc. As I said, he was all done in minutes. And the Sainsbury's gang were nodding and smiling to themselves. They really do see it as quite simple. Have Rovs managed to establish Sainsbury's as a contractual party that had realised the contract wasn't good for them anymore and they had to find a way out? I think maybe but on the point of law, Sainsbury's were entitled to walk away when no planning permission was granted. Have they painted a compelling picture of Sainsbury's then playing the contract and running down the clock to cut off; doing nothing to change the situation that if they really were still wanting to go ahead they would have moved heaven and earth? I think our QC did do that. I think there's enough evidence but Sainsbury's view is that doesn't matter - they were under no legal obligation to do anything. But the fact they weren't open with Rovs (that they were doing sod all) must be damaging nonetheless. All down to Good Faith - I think the Judge will rule Sainsbury's were legally entitled to terminate and walk away but we have to hope she finds the way they conducted themselves to have been in such bad faith that they constructed the very conditions that allowed them to legally walk away. UTG! Read more: gasheads.org/thread/3191/high-court-proceedings?page=17#ixzz3at3V851s
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Post by Severncider on May 22, 2015 16:54:28 GMT
Twentyman saying the decision could be several weeks, I didn't think this was possible, as Rovers asked for a decision before June? @geoff20man: Apparently a decision on the Memorial Stadium could take "several weeks" according to our reporter @official_BRFC #BristolRovers Total oarlocks.
Mrs Justice Proudman is well aware of the urgency of this case, as was Mr Justice Roth. Mrs Justice Proudman said at the very beginning that she has a case immediately after ours so she does not have the time to spend weeks deciding.
I reckon we could hear verdict at 10.30 on Wednesday morning
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 16:58:04 GMT
i'm a cynical barworker, but is it just me who thinks that this doesn't actually end here....
surely this should have all been tied-up in pretty pink knots by now....
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Post by Jon the Stripe on May 22, 2015 17:01:54 GMT
Twentyman saying the decision could be several weeks, I didn't think this was possible, as Rovers asked for a decision before June? @geoff20man: Apparently a decision on the Memorial Stadium could take "several weeks" according to our reporter @official_BRFC #BristolRovers Total oarlocks.
Mrs Justice Proudman is well aware of the urgency of this case, as was Mr Justice Roth. Mrs Justice Proudman said at the very beginning that she has a case immediately after ours so she does not have the time to spend weeks deciding.
I reckon we could hear verdict at 10.30 on Wednesday morning
Severncider, thank you for all your post's this past week i think we've all enjoyed reading them and appreciate your updates and knowledgeable opinions...Top man. On the point of the decision time, what i would say in my opinion is Justice Proudman wil basically be thinking...This decision is gonna take some time, i know the club have asked for a QUICK DECISION but the absolute essential thing is i make the RIGHT DECISION (in her judgement). Just my thoughts mate.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 17:12:24 GMT
Twentyman saying the decision could be several weeks, I didn't think this was possible, as Rovers asked for a decision before June? @geoff20man: Apparently a decision on the Memorial Stadium could take "several weeks" according to our reporter @official_BRFC #BristolRovers Total oarlocks.
Mrs Justice Proudman is well aware of the urgency of this case, as was Mr Justice Roth. Mrs Justice Proudman said at the very beginning that she has a case immediately after ours so she does not have the time to spend weeks deciding.
I reckon we could hear verdict at 10.30 on Wednesday morning
The decision will take as long as it takes and the judge will not make a decision based on our demands although she is of course aware of them hopefully it will be to the date and time you suggest.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 17:13:04 GMT
Total oarlocks.
Mrs Justice Proudman is well aware of the urgency of this case, as was Mr Justice Roth. Mrs Justice Proudman said at the very beginning that she has a case immediately after ours so she does not have the time to spend weeks deciding.
I reckon we could hear verdict at 10.30 on Wednesday morning
Severncider, thank you for all your post's this past week i think we've all enjoyed reading them and appreciate your updates and knowledgeable opinions...Top man. On the point of the decision time, what i would say in my opinion is Justice Proudman wil basically be thinking...This decision is gonna take some time, i know the club have asked for a QUICK DECISION but the absolute essential thing is i make the RIGHT DECISION (in her judgement). Just my thoughts mate. Said far better than I.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 17:22:03 GMT
Twentyman saying the decision could be several weeks, I didn't think this was possible, as Rovers asked for a decision before June? @geoff20man: Apparently a decision on the Memorial Stadium could take "several weeks" according to our reporter @official_BRFC #BristolRovers Total oarlocks.
Mrs Justice Proudman is well aware of the urgency of this case, as was Mr Justice Roth. Mrs Justice Proudman said at the very beginning that she has a case immediately after ours so she does not have the time to spend weeks deciding.
I reckon we could hear verdict at 10.30 on Wednesday morning
Is this correct? "The court is now closed until Monday 1st June, won't be anything until then at the earliest." Read more: gasheads.org/thread/3191/high-court-proceedings#ixzz3atBHe6XK
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