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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 7:10:58 GMT
Hugo, you really think the KS boys would not call it a great victory for the choosen one and rub everyones nose in it for the next twenty years ? If they carried it on after the ban was lifted they'd look like the dicks instead of the Board. A few days to gloat, then we can all stop hearing about it.
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Post by newmarketgas on Aug 31, 2014 7:16:43 GMT
If you think so, ok ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 7:22:02 GMT
I don't think they'll shut up, but we can ridicule them and tell them to get over it.
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Post by newmarketgas on Aug 31, 2014 7:26:08 GMT
Good point!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 7:39:56 GMT
I don't think they'll shut up, but we can ridicule them and tell them to get over it. Hugo There is no they. There is no army behind Kevin. This is about how the club is managed. You are spot on, they are (the board) making themselves look stupid and spiteful over this. Newmarket, there are so many things we can point fingers at the current board over, there is hardly enough time in the day. But, this is an important point of principle which trandscends any one individual, and includes the behaviour of our dedicated and elected representative on the BoD who, in my opinion, is abdicating responsibility.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 7:41:54 GMT
Its not a KS army i would back any fan banned in this way just the same. Freedom of speech is very important
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Post by newmarketgas on Aug 31, 2014 8:05:37 GMT
Oldie and Dinsdale, I am sure with your business knowledge, you must see that sitting on the board does mean you do not tittle tattle to your friends about board business ? Any ways, busy day, catch you laters! UTG.
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Post by jozer on Aug 31, 2014 8:17:59 GMT
Anyone who is not bothered about a long-term Rovers fan being banned for speaking his mind is not being forced to read this thread at gunpoint.
I don't know Kevin and couldn't pick him out of a line up. On the other forum he has expressed unease about being the centre of attention. but as others have pointed out this goes well beyond him & Higgs. it could happen to anyone and shows just how spiteful the BoD can be when anyone questions the whelk-stall way they have led the club into the conference while bleeding money on half-arsed pie-in-the-sky stadium projects.
I am certainly of the opinion that BSS like the rest of them doesn't want to discuss this because they know Kevin's critisisms were not 'unfounded' and they cannot provide any evidence otherwise, but BSS is quite free to come back here and demonstrate how I am mistaken, is he not?
But we all know he won't. As ever he has disappeared when his initial fob-off didn't work. He'll probably come back on here in a couple of weeks with his latest "hey guys get behind my campaign to drop beer prices by 5p/quid a kid/trampolines for disabled fans/wi-fi in the portaloos/re-arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic" nonsense. God only knows why he doesn't just bunker down in Box 1 and stop even pretending to do anything useful. It works for Ken.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 8:41:32 GMT
Its not a KS army i would back any fan banned in this way just the same. Freedom of speech is very important Which is only right. But, over turn the ban and that particular stick to bash the board with goes away. My point being that once the ban is lifted very few people will care or raise the issue again. It's a stupid situation they have created themselves. So what if KS has had a pop at them? Grow up. You either listen to him, discredit his argument or ignore him. Banning him was really rather foolish. It's a pr disaster.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 8:51:56 GMT
Its not a KS army i would back any fan banned in this way just the same. Freedom of speech is very important Which is only right. But, over turn the ban and that particular stick to bash the board with goes away. My point being that once the ban is lifted very few people will care or raise the issue again. It's a stupid situation they have created themselves. So what if KS has had a pop at them? Grow up. You either listen to him, discredit his argument or ignore him. Banning him was really rather foolish. It's a pr disaster. Exactly right, which is the way we all feel, I believe. Then, back to Bss. He voted for the ban. So, I would apply your very apt description to him, very directly. Which, actually, makes it worse as marcomms is supposed to be one of his strengths.
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Post by jozer on Aug 31, 2014 9:03:59 GMT
PR is Brian's strength in the same way that building is Higgs', and finance is Watola's
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Post by Hugo Admin on Aug 31, 2014 9:33:46 GMT
I've never met Kevin but I think the way he has been treated is appalling.
Good man Swiss. Ras, I am surprised, shocked actually given some of your posts / uploaded images, that you would defend a lack of transparency and honesty. It has nothing to do with your emotive language, traps and all that guff, it has to do with the behaviour of our elected and funded representative. This issue goes way beyond the personal circumstances of Kevin Spencer, this banning on a "whim" based upon alleged criticism could affect any one of us at any time. Is that the kind of club you want? I do realise of course that it is far easier to stand silent. I'm not passing judgement on KS. I said that I dunno enough about it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 9:43:05 GMT
Good man Swiss. Ras, I am surprised, shocked actually given some of your posts / uploaded images, that you would defend a lack of transparency and honesty. It has nothing to do with your emotive language, traps and all that guff, it has to do with the behaviour of our elected and funded representative. This issue goes way beyond the personal circumstances of Kevin Spencer, this banning on a "whim" based upon alleged criticism could affect any one of us at any time. Is that the kind of club you want? I do realise of course that it is far easier to stand silent. I'm not passing judgement on KS. I said that I dunno enough about it. Fair enough. So is your advice to Brian to not respond based upon something you know little about?
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Post by Hugo Admin on Aug 31, 2014 9:45:07 GMT
I'm not passing judgement on KS. I said that I dunno enough about it. Fair enough. So is your advice to Brian to not respond based upon something you know little about? Again, no. Just that I'm not surprised he doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 10:15:14 GMT
Fair enough. So is your advice to Brian to not respond based upon something you know little about? Again, no. Just that I'm not surprised he doesn't. Yes I understand that. I guess, in the circumstances of his position, the wuestion is whether that stance can be possibly justified. Over to you Brian.
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Post by nurseratched on Aug 31, 2014 11:05:40 GMT
I cannot understand what the issue is when Kevin Spencer has already accepted the ban. Quote KS: "I have given criticism so I accepted the ban," he told BBC Radio Bristol". "Six years ago things were nasty, and I regret that, but it should be buried," Spencer said. "What has gone on this weekend has been a total embarrassment and it all needs to be put behind us." According to Nick Higgs - Kevin Spencer previously made libelous statements. Click on the radio link for a full explanation from Nick Higgs.www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19947192
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Post by jozer on Aug 31, 2014 11:16:52 GMT
Historically the BoD have a very broad definition of what constitutes 'libellous'. From personal experience it incldues any critisism of them or even poking fun at them.
It is remarkable to think that when someone in Box 1 said "I'm sick of that kevin being mean about us. let's ban him, and furthermore let's have him frogmarched out of the ground in front of everyone just for maximum humilliation", at that point another Director who is allegedly 1/ a fans rep and 2/ a PR expert didn't say "Er, hang on a moment...".
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Post by nurseratched on Aug 31, 2014 11:27:28 GMT
Historically the BoD have a very broad definition of what constitutes 'libellous'. From personal experience it incldues any critisism of them or even poking fun at them. It is remarkable to think that when someone in Box 1 said "I'm sick of that kevin being mean about us. let's ban him, and furthermore let's have him frogmarched out of the ground in front of everyone just for maximum humilliation", at that point another Director who is allegedly 1/ a fans rep and 2/ a PR expert didn't say "Er, hang on a moment...". Proof? Give me examples of "Historically the BoD have a very broad definition of what constitutes 'libellous'. From personal experience it incldues any critisism of them or even poking fun at them." Who said it and did this actually happen? - "and furthermore let's have him frogmarched out of the ground in front of everyone just for maximum humilliation".
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Post by jozer on Aug 31, 2014 11:45:36 GMT
I was banned from the OF for poking fun at BB. The reason given was 'defamation'. All I had said was 'Barry Bradshaw must have made a few quid out of Rovers over the years. Come on Barry put you hand in your pocket for a change". That apparently was 'defamation'.
GoD recently threatened two fans with legal action. He has previous on threatening to sue people. They called his bluff and he shrivelled up and washed away. Higgs claims KS Libelled them but keeps fobbing of KS and anyone else who asks to see the evidence.
Worth noting that while they will threaten ordinary people with legal action, they haven't done this with KS who is a businessman himself and has access to lawyers. Bullies pure & simple.
See Oldie's post about how the Ban was delivered to KS. Maybe BSS was not made aware at the time that the intention was to humilliate KS at a match, but I'm sure Brian can speak for himself on that point LOL. PR Expert my 4r5e!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 11:46:24 GMT
I cannot understand what the issue is when Kevin Spencer has already accepted the ban. Quote KS: "I have given criticism so I accepted the ban," he told BBC Radio Bristol". "Six years ago things were nasty, and I regret that, but it should be buried," Spencer said. "What has gone on this weekend has been a total embarrassment and it all needs to be put behind us." According to Nick Higgs - Kevin Spencer previously made libelous statements. Click on the radio link for a full explanation from Nick Higgs.www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19947192Good try. There has been no evidence provided to support the accusation of libelous statements, despite the repeated requests for the same.
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