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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 11:59:34 GMT
I see Paul Seaton has found his was over here. Those who find the Kevin Spencer threads tedious are in for a real treat now :-(
Cue an exact replica of the heated row on the I.F forum. Perhaps you could save time Paul and copy and paste the thread from over there?
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Post by jozer on Aug 31, 2014 12:07:34 GMT
Not if there was a good reason to ban KS it isn't. But there wasn't, was there? We all know it and BSS knows it. there you go. That's exactly why I wouldn't bother. Because you have made your mind up already. Youre not really interested in asking a genuine question. Clearly you just want to have a go. I don't know anything about the KS thing but I think this kinda proves why if I was brianss I wouldn't bother trying to answer. Rubbish. I have a very genuine question for BSS. Brian, what exactly did Kevin spencer say about the Rovers BoD that was 'unfounded' and, in your opinion justified him being banned from the Mem? Now I freely acknowledge that I have formed the opinion that I won't get a straight answer to this question from Brian or any other Director, because there isn't one. But if Brian believes I am mistaken it is a simple job for him to demonstrate so. I believe his silence says all there is to be said.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 12:23:23 GMT
I see Paul Seaton has found his was over here. Those who find the Kevin Spencer threads tedious are in for a real treat now :-( Cue an exact replica of the heated row on the I.F forum. Perhaps you could save time Paul and copy and paste the thread from over there? Mr Seaton is entitled to his opinion. What is intreguing is the prospect of a leading light in the Supporters Club supporting the banning of a supporter for reasons unknown to the Supporters Club.
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Post by gasincider on Aug 31, 2014 12:25:13 GMT
God I wish I was as clever as Jozer. Ask a question he knows can't be answered and make the brilliant riposte I won't get a straight answer.
If KS has referred this his solicitor as he says he has, it would be a legal claim against BSS that would follow for not following the legal niceties.Now Jozer, has KS referred it to his solicitor? I guess I can probably assume I will not get a straight answer to that one.
Look at me aren't I clever.
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Post by gasincider on Aug 31, 2014 12:29:49 GMT
Just as good as you Oldie defending someone when you haven't got a clue what he's supposed to have done.
KS wants to remain banned because he'd lose all his school friends from the other place otherwise. He really is not important. That said his ban should be lifted without recourse to silly apologies.
Helping our club is far more important than worrying about an ex director who for some reason can't move on. Colin and Mike Turl who both put a lot into this club ( far more than KS could or did) have both moved on. Mind you, their businesses didn't go bankrupt either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 12:34:53 GMT
I see Paul Seaton has found his was over here. Those who find the Kevin Spencer threads tedious are in for a real treat now :-( Cue an exact replica of the heated row on the I.F forum. Perhaps you could save time Paul and copy and paste the thread from over there? Mr Seaton is entitled to his opinion. What is intreguing is the prospect of a leading light in the Supporters Club supporting the banning of a supporter for reasons unknown to the Supporters Club. That he is
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Post by nurseratched on Aug 31, 2014 12:57:59 GMT
I cannot understand what the issue is when Kevin Spencer has already accepted the ban. Quote KS: "I have given criticism so I accepted the ban," he told BBC Radio Bristol". "Six years ago things were nasty, and I regret that, but it should be buried," Spencer said. "What has gone on this weekend has been a total embarrassment and it all needs to be put behind us." According to Nick Higgs - Kevin Spencer previously made libelous statements. Click on the radio link for a full explanation from Nick Higgs.www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19947192Good try. There has been no evidence provided to support the accusation of libelous statements, despite the repeated requests for the same. Good try at what? If he accepted his ban, he must have admitted that he was wrong somewhere. So he must know exactly what it is, surely?
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Post by swissgas on Aug 31, 2014 13:46:13 GMT
I realize Gaschat is generally a more light hearted forum for Rovers fans but I posted a copy of the letter in case some fans were doubtful whether it actually existed.
Living abroad it's difficult for me to comment on matches and that's why my posts are generally concerned with club matters. I can understand some fans having difficulty in accepting that club matters are worth debating and that they wish to only talk about the team but I genuinely believe the two are completely interlinked. If the club is run in a slap dash, half hearted, couldn't care less way, which I believe it is, then that attitude will percolate down to the team. We saw it with Buckle's comments about "every department needing re-energizing" and then his frustration coming out in disdainful comments about Bristolians. We saw it with McGhee living in Brighton being chauffeured to games, bringing in his Scottish buddies and generally not taking the managers role seriously. We saw it with John Ward's pitiful situation which, given his personal circumstances, is something the club should be ashamed of. We saw it with the way the so called promising youngsters were allowed to fester and eventually left under a cloud. We saw it with the "championship quality players" who never produced the goods, the players who did not perform for Rovers now playing in the football league and the question mark about whether players like Tom Lockyer, Tom Parkes and Ollie Clarke are really developing and improving or are just adequate at a lower level. The fact is that the amateurish way in which Rovers is run as a club means that we will always underperform as a team and until the club is sorted out we will continue to languish at a level far below that which we could achieve if we were run in a businesslike way.
I have never met Kevin Spencer, Milke Turl, Colin Williams or Kim Stuckey but the Rovers Agenda for Change document they produced was, in my opinion, a good basis on which to start sorting the club out.
The present board have had seven years to implement an alternative to the Agenda for Change plan but as far as I can see they have done nothing except to spend Nick Higgs' money. The Kevin Spencer situation is symptomatic of the chaotic way they have run Rovers and that is why it is important. Nobody wants to take responsibility, they all blame each other, when questioned the response is always " it's our money, we do what we like, we don't have to justify it to anyone" and the last resort is to "hope" something turns up. Is it any wonder that managers, coaches and players don't perform when this is the backdrop they are operating against ? And is it any wonder that other clubs are reluctant to loan us players and players we want to bring in think twice about signing for us when they know our reputation ?
Someone needs to take the bull by the horns and sort the club out now.
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Post by peterparker on Aug 31, 2014 13:50:50 GMT
Just as good as you Oldie defending someone when you haven't got a clue what he's supposed to have done. KS wants to remain banned because he'd lose all his school friends from the other place otherwise. He really is not important. That said his ban should be lifted without recourse to silly apologies. Helping our club is far more important than worrying about an ex director who for some reason can't move on. Colin and Mike Turl who both put a lot into this club ( far more than KS could or did) have both moved on. Mind you, their businesses didn't go bankrupt either. HaHaHaHa If Kev has said anything libellous than i dont recall it as it would have been posted on the forums. Not sure how that would lose him his friends as you put it. Kev accepted he had been critical, who the feck hasnt . Seems most of the criticisms of many of us over the past ten years or so ha e certainly been 'founded' How hard is it to produce the evidence and finish it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 14:28:41 GMT
Gasincider
Thank you for your well reasoned comment. Could I ask you how you come to that conclusion? That I have no clue what he has supposed to have done?
Mr Seaton
Only half the story. The comments about libel followed the concession that critique from Kevin was counter productive, conceded by Kevin. The comments around libel then emerged as banning for being critical was never accepted by many, including me.
What I find intriguing Paul, is that in the absence of any evidence of libel by Kevin you, as a leading light in the SC, would defend a fellow supporter being banned for being "critical" You appear to be in good company with BSS, but then again he also is on the SC Committee and agrees with the banning for being "critical". Or so we can only presume as he abjectly refuses to tell us precisely why he saw fit to vote for banning of a fan who committed no sin and actually funded his position to no small degree.
Isnt that right Brian? Anybody out there?
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Post by swissgas on Aug 31, 2014 14:56:28 GMT
Gasincider
Thank you for your well reasoned comment. Could I ask you how you come to that conclusion? That I have no clue what he has supposed to have done?
Mr Seaton
Only half the story. The comments about libel followed the concession that critique from Kevin was counter productive, conceded by Kevin. The comments around libel then emerged as banning for being critical was never accepted by many, including me.
What I find intriguing Paul, is that in the absence of any evidence of libel by Kevin you, as a leading light in the SC, would defend a fellow supporter being banned for being "critical" You appear to be in good company with BSS, but then again he also is on the SC Committee and agrees with the banning for being "critical". Or so we can only presume as he abjectly refuses to tell us precisely why he saw fit to vote for banning of a fan who committed no sin and actually funded his position to no small degree.
Isnt that right Brian? Anybody out there?
Criticism is not a reason for banning because Nick is on record as saying he welcomes criticism. The issue is about weak leadership on this issue being symptomatic of weak leadership throughout the club which has led us to the position we are in today. Brian's position on this matter seems to be that he heard the arguments in favour of the ban and voted for it but he cannot reveal those arguments because they are a confidential board matter. His position generally seems to be that he knows there are serious weaknesses within the club but he believes he can do more to put them right from the inside than from the outside. A lot of fans will sympathise with Brian's position just as they sympathise with Nick's position but good leaders don't attract sympathy they attract respect and admiration and in turn they provide inspiration. Is Chris Jelf going to step forward ?
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Post by bs10er on Aug 31, 2014 16:02:58 GMT
Not sure about CJ stepping forward,he has not attended a game yet this season. Believe he is S.Africa(holiday?)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 16:08:37 GMT
I dont think CJ wants to be chairman but people have reported he tried to get CW in as chairman and MT back. He may be someone who could help bring others in
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Post by fanboy on Aug 31, 2014 16:10:52 GMT
Not sure about CJ stepping forward,he has not attended a game yet this season. Believe he is S.Africa(holiday?) Saw him at fgr
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Post by newmarketgas on Aug 31, 2014 16:57:33 GMT
Is Kevin Spencer happy with the way his supporters are running the campaign on here ? Kevin ? Can we hear it from the man himself ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 17:04:50 GMT
Again Im a supporter of free speach and brfc fans rights to it. I have not met or spoken to Kevin Spencer other then on the fans forum since 2006.
I know you are just on the wind up but why not go on the I.F if you want to interact with him.
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Post by newmarketgas on Aug 31, 2014 17:07:13 GMT
No need, he can come on here. I am not on a wind up, I just want to know if Kevin is happy with the campaign ? I have heard from loads of people who don't know him but not from him.
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Post by pirate49 on Aug 31, 2014 17:08:06 GMT
As an outsider to this saga with no insider knowledge I find the fact that KS was apparently prevented from attending a funeral reception sickening. There MAY be reasons for a matchday ban; but there can be no rational or acceptable justification for preventing someone from paying their respects to the family of a deceased at a wake/reception.
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Post by newmarketgas on Aug 31, 2014 17:12:50 GMT
If you are an outsider, how do you know what are facts ? Just asking.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 17:16:18 GMT
Is the board happy with the way their decision is being defended on here? The Board? Can we hear your views on here now?
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