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Post by ilfracombegas on Apr 20, 2016 10:31:33 GMT
Everything is still to play for but we need 3 straight wins to finish with now looking at remaining fixtures
Oxford - Hartlepool H, Carlisle A, Wycombe H
Accy - York H, Wycombe A, Stevenage H
Plymouth - D&R H, Cambridge A, Hartlepool H
Portsmouth - Wycombe H, Wimbledon A, Hartlepool A, Northampton H
Rovers - Exeter H, York A, D&R H
Looking at our fixtures Exeter have been very good away all season, York had a good win last night
Accy - probably got the best run in of all the teams
Portsmouth - probably out of the race for automatic
Plymouth and Oxford have a couple of potential banana skins ....
At least its better fighting at this end of the table than the other............
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Post by DTGas on Apr 20, 2016 10:41:46 GMT
I have to say I agree with the OP. I thought both formation and personnel were wrong as soon as it was announced. DC gets it right more often than not so it's not the end of the world and certainly not worth going OTT about but seriously how many of you were excited by 5 defenders and and that midfield 3? It was worth a try to do something different by DC but in my humble opinion DC cost us a win there. Not bad considering he has made very few mistakes since he took over. i wasnt at last nights game but when ive watched us play with the 3-5-2 system its always struck me how high up the pitch leadbitter and brown play so to me its 3 defenders not 5 and that system has worked well many times this season imo I disagree. They play deeper than they should and when we are defending, we get outnumbered on the wings as Parkes and Clarke don't come across to cover. I rate Brown as a full back but he looks uncomfortable when pushed further forward as he lacks the ability to take people on and beat them. DC sticking to 442 over the last couple months has moved us up the league from a potential play off team, to a team fighting for automatic. That's why the change back to 352 seemed so strange to me
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Post by mehewmagic on Apr 20, 2016 10:44:40 GMT
I agree that the line-up worried me, and it was a poor performance and a poor result,
BUT i think it's very unfair on Stevenage to talk about us, us, us all the time. They were very strong, big (yet nimble) and organised at the back, and although we played into their hands, they deserve credit for putting their heads and chests and everything on the line. They really faught for THEIR club just like any football fan would like their own players to do. In a way it was a shame we met them when technically they needed a point for 100% survival, as they played like they REALLY wanted that point now, and their fans celebrated like they really wanted that point now and not next weekend.
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Post by mehewmagic on Apr 20, 2016 10:48:41 GMT
I have to say I agree with the OP. I thought both formation and personnel were wrong as soon as it was announced. DC gets it right more often than not so it's not the end of the world and certainly not worth going OTT about but seriously how many of you were excited by 5 defenders and and that midfield 3? It was worth a try to do something different by DC but in my humble opinion DC cost us a win there. Not bad considering he has made very few mistakes since he took over. brown and leads CLEARLY played as wingbacks in the first half. You could tell they were by their position on the pitch and the fact that it occasionally caused us problems (e.g. not having a left back to pick up their right sided midfielder on occasions). it was a real 3-5-2, NOT a 5-3-2, and was therefore not a particularly defensive move at all.
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Post by gaseous on Apr 20, 2016 11:02:55 GMT
That's it Antonio - hindsight is bloody marvelous. Might have known all the DC critics would be out after just one poor result, ignoring where DC has got us. I was there, am very disappointed, but on to the next. BTW - there's a vacancy at Villa for all these armchair coaches. My C.V. is already in the post. Ha, clueless springs to mind.
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Post by pucklegas on Apr 20, 2016 11:05:49 GMT
These things happen give DC a break, he knows what he is doing glad some of you don't support Pompey! What happened there? Leicester at the top what happened there? I would have bit your hand off to be where we are at the start of the season, and anybody else who wouldn't of is deluded.
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Post by bluebeard on Apr 20, 2016 11:10:15 GMT
I guess it's narrow margins as if Gosling had scored rather than hitting the post or Leads had scored rather than kicking it tamely wide we'd have all said DC had pulled it off again. What's odd is how Montano slipps in & out of favour as he was perhaps the only player in the squad, bar Bodin, who can unlock a defence,. Agree with that TG. I think DC has faith in every player in the squad to do a job and he rotates according to how he wants to approach each game. On the whole it works as results have been impressive. Performances have be variable though and there are bound to be questions when in form or flair players are "dropped" and a plan doesn't quite work. I do wonder whether their manager's comments influenced his team selection. This was a winnable game and we have lost ground at a crucial time. I also agree with the poster above that supporters and players have a different mindset when chasing automatics rather than defending a top 3 position. The crowd and IMO the team have appeared nervy at times in recent games but there's a more positive and determined vibe when we're looking to claw points back. I would have been delighted with the play offs at the beginning of this season but if we are still in L2 next year it will be a major disappointment. We do need to strengthen, but I'm sure we would all much rather be building a team for L1 in the summer than for another promotion challenge in the basement. I think we can still scrape in with 3 wins. However, if any more points are dropped during the run in, 2 of the other 3 challengers will have to slip up twice in their final 3 games. We must beat Exeter to stay in contention then with 2 more to go, you never know! UTG
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Post by mariobalotelli on Apr 20, 2016 12:11:33 GMT
Everything is still to play for but we need 3 straight wins to finish with now looking at remaining fixtures Oxford - Hartlepool H, Carlisle A, Wycombe H Accy - York H, Wycombe A, Stevenage H Plymouth - D&R H, Cambridge A, Hartlepool H Portsmouth - Wycombe H, Wimbledon A, Hartlepool A, Northampton H Rovers - Exeter H, York A, D&R H Looking at our fixtures Exeter have been very good away all season, York had a good win last night Accy - probably got the best run in of all the teams Portsmouth - probably out of the race for automatic Plymouth and Oxford have a couple of potential banana skins .... At least its better fighting at this end of the table than the other............ Them two teams are the key. Accy will take second spot IMO, Portsmouth have messed up. Chuck in tough games against Carlisle and Cambridge and win our 3, we will get third. Hartlepool are in good form and Wycombe need to get their act together if they want playoffs. Bar Exeter our run in is far easier.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 20, 2016 12:26:24 GMT
Hartlepool are in good form and Wycombe need to get their act together if they want playoffs.
I think that should read were in good form as apparently they made 5 changes last night in order to give squad players a run out, you fear they they now already on the beach! I also fear Wycombe will have already accepted their play off chance has gone given the Dons continued good form, the gaps is already 5 pts with GD, if the Dons just draw their o/s game at home to Pompey it'll be 6 pts with 3 games to play! Failure to win last night is looking more & more like our Dover moment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 14:58:18 GMT
I feel a bit uncomfortable when I read things like, "DC got it wrong last night", in that I don't think people who come out with quotes like that don't give enough credit to the oppositions manager. DC is not going to get it right every time, that is impossible, and some credit must surely be given to other managers.
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Post by Blackbeard on Apr 20, 2016 15:28:49 GMT
I was there last night and yes it's bitterly disappointing to play like we did against a team we should, on paper, hammer 3 or 4 -0 based on recent performances
You'd think Stevenage were promoted given their fans delight at the end, they set their stall out to spoil and take a point and achieved their aim.
I would comment that we didn't appear to learn much from their visit to the Mem and played them the same way, high long ball onto their big centre half's head never going to work
If we were going to play that tactic McBurnie should have played as he has the height and possibly the quality to work with such a tactic
We need to ensure we stay collectively firmly behind the manager and team for the run in, any team can puke on their shirt at any point in next couple weeks, we just have to win our games, which we know we can.
It feels like a loss but it isn't. Northampton felt like a win but it wasn't. We are not draw specialists and there's the rub. Sometimes you draw.
Get behind em everyone, we can't agonise or hypothesise about other teams and what they or their managers might or might not do/win etc
we wins ours and the rest is chips falling where they will. Enjoy it. We are in a great place.
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Post by paulpirate on Apr 20, 2016 16:13:48 GMT
I was there last night and yes it's bitterly disappointing to play like we did against a team we should, on paper, hammer 3 or 4 -0 based on recent performances You'd think Stevenage were promoted given their fans delight at the end, they set their stall out to spoil and take a point and achieved their aim. I would comment that we didn't appear to learn much from their visit to the Mem and played them the same way, high long ball onto their big centre half's head never going to work If we were going to play that tactic McBurnie should have played as he has the height and possibly the quality to work with such a tactic We need to ensure we stay collectively firmly behind the manager and team for the run in, any team can puke on their shirt at any point in next couple weeks, we just have to win our games, which we know we can. It feels like a loss but it isn't. Northampton felt like a win but it wasn't. We are not draw specialists and there's the rub. Sometimes you draw. Get behind em everyone, we can't agonise or hypothesise about other teams and what they or their managers might or might not do/win etc we wins ours and the rest is chips falling where they will. Enjoy it. We are in a great place. i don't blame dc at all,he put a team out he thought could win the game and if the players can't step up and beat Stevenage you got to question their quality and bottle I bet he is as livid as a lot of fans but still proud of how they have done this season and so am I,we haven't been playing well the last few games but I'm sure they will put it right v Exeter If we don't win our next three we don't deserve to go up automatically simple as that,I think we will win them as I said before had a bad feeling about Stevenage after the Northampton game
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Post by EssoBlue on Apr 20, 2016 17:03:59 GMT
Is it DC's tactics or Mildenhall's decision to constantly lump the ball up to Matty T.
Don't they realise he's the same size as Tyroin Lannister.
Keep it on the ground and he can use all three legs to control the ball.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 20, 2016 17:40:58 GMT
I was there last night and yes it's bitterly disappointing to play like we did against a team we should, on paper, hammer 3 or 4 -0 based on recent performances You'd think Stevenage were promoted given their fans delight at the end, they set their stall out to spoil and take a point and achieved their aim. I would comment that we didn't appear to learn much from their visit to the Mem and played them the same way, high long ball onto their big centre half's head never going to work If we were going to play that tactic McBurnie should have played as he has the height and possibly the quality to work with such a tactic We need to ensure we stay collectively firmly behind the manager and team for the run in, any team can puke on their shirt at any point in next couple weeks, we just have to win our games, which we know we can. It feels like a loss but it isn't. Northampton felt like a win but it wasn't. We are not draw specialists and there's the rub. Sometimes you draw. Get behind em everyone, we can't agonise or hypothesise about other teams and what they or their managers might or might not do/win etc we wins ours and the rest is chips falling where they will. Enjoy it. We are in a great place. i don't blame dc at all,he put a team out he thought could win the game and if the players can't step up and beat Stevenage you got to question their quality and bottle I bet he is as livid as a lot of fans but still proud of how they have done this season and so am I,we haven't been playing well the last few games but I'm sure they will put it right v Exeter If we don't win our next three we don't deserve to go up automatically simple as that,I think we will win them as I said before had a bad feeling about Stevenage after the Northampton game You must be one of the few then who thought starting with Gosling was an odd move, plus dropping one of our most improved creative players, Montano, was a mistake. You do have to wonder if DC thought a draw last night might have been good enough, looking at the squad he selected.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 18:00:28 GMT
Everything is still to play for but we need 3 straight wins to finish with now looking at remaining fixtures Oxford - Hartlepool H, Carlisle A, Wycombe H Accy - York H, Wycombe A, Stevenage H Plymouth - D&R H, Cambridge A, Hartlepool H Portsmouth - Wycombe H, Wimbledon A, Hartlepool A, Northampton H Rovers - Exeter H, York A, D&R H Looking at our fixtures Exeter have been very good away all season, York had a good win last night Accy - probably got the best run in of all the teams Portsmouth - probably out of the race for automatic Plymouth and Oxford have a couple of potential banana skins .... At least its better fighting at this end of the table than the other............ Imo, we have the best run in.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Apr 20, 2016 18:05:52 GMT
IMO DC got it wrong last night; in the first half you had both James Clarke and Leadbitter marking the same winger, it was all over the place the formation the players did not know the tactics, Taylor had his second mare in less than 4 days, bad day at the office. Need to win three games on the bounce with a consistent side, with some width from the first whistle. UTG
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Apr 20, 2016 18:07:15 GMT
Easter and Ellis to start on Sat?
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Post by yategas78 on Apr 20, 2016 18:20:08 GMT
That was a big game for us last night and it is bloody disappointing we couldn't get max points against such poor opposition but that's football I suppose!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 18:37:53 GMT
Like others have pointed out. Had we scuffed one in for the 3 points, this thread wouldn't exist. Fine margins, another away point and a dream run in. 2nd and 3rd are very much up for grabs and the picture is going to change a few times before the final kick.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 18:53:16 GMT
I cant get into the whole predicting who's gonna get what from their run-ins and who's got the easiest ride.
The last few weeks have shown form/table position doesn't mean alot.
Oh to be sitting pretty at the top 21 unbeaten!
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