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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 10:02:55 GMT
I've looked at the detail - Cameron, Osbourne, Corbyn, Sturgeon, Blair, Kinnock, Major and the Archbishop of Canterbury all support Remain - that's enough for me to vote OUT! The only question that needs to be considered is if we weren't in the EU already, would we be queueing up to join? yours faithfully, The 5th largest economy in the world! Totally agree with you. All this nonsense about the EU not trading with the UK is just that, nonsense. The EU zone economically, is either stagnant, or in decline. Does anyone seriously believe that they can ignore the 5th largest economy in the world? I just hope, that which ever side wins, that it is by a huge amount. I dread a 51%/49% split on the vote, because if that happens, the argument will still continue. I want a decisive victory, for one side or the other. |
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Post by inee on Jun 13, 2016 11:47:40 GMT
Whatever side of the referendum you're on, whichever party you support, we must hope and pray the british people make the correct decision. I hope we all remember this though; politicians have been slagging off members of their party, their own colleagues, calling them deceitful, liars, scaremongers. They have accused them of using false statistics to enhance their position. They have accused them of trying to con the british public. But, once the referendum is over, they'll go back to convincing you that they're all trustworthy principled people we should believe. That they know best. That you vote for them, not the other lot. It's then you need to remember what they said now. And ask them 'what's changed?' Given the leaders of both main parties have effectively switched their personal positions in the last 12 months, what hope have we got of knowing who really supports what? Incidentally, if you genuinely care, I think Cameron went to the EU a few months back thinking he'd get much bigger concessions than he actually did, which is a fail. I also know Corbyn has been anti-EU right up to the point where he got elected leader of the Labour party, which is a fail..... Yup he thought he would try it on and failed, the change seems to have came about for cameron and corbyn when oban said we'd have to wait ages to get a us trade deal |
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Post by inee on Jun 13, 2016 11:55:46 GMT
I've looked at the detail - Cameron, Osbourne, Corbyn, Sturgeon, Blair, Kinnock, Major and the Archbishop of Canterbury all support Remain - that's enough for me to vote OUT! The only question that needs to be considered is if we weren't in the EU already, would we be queueing up to join? yours faithfully, The 5th largest economy in the world! Totally agree with you. All this nonsense about the EU not trading with the UK is just that, nonsense. The EU zone economically, is either stagnant, or in decline. Does anyone seriously believe that they can ignore the 5th largest economy in the world? I just hope, that which ever side wins, that it is by a huge amount. I dread a 51%/49% split on the vote, because if that happens, the argument will still continue. I want a decisive victory, for one side or the other. With you there nobs, as you say if it's close then people will want another referendum, caviar kecks is saying that if we vote out they will have another out vote so scotland can rejoin the eu. Other countries have said if we leave the eu will probably collapse. One thing i feel is worth mentioning is this, when the eastern bloc existed although things weren't good the countries were ticking over, when the wall came down some came across to the west but not in huge numbers, since joining the eu not many of these countries have got the riches in living they were probably promised, some of those countries are so poor that bus loads come over and send money home. So joining the eu seems to be an absolutely guaranteed way for a country to rebuild its wealth and dignity for the people who live there (NOT). |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 11:59:27 GMT
Given the leaders of both main parties have effectively switched their personal positions in the last 12 months, what hope have we got of knowing who really supports what? Incidentally, if you genuinely care, I think Cameron went to the EU a few months back thinking he'd get much bigger concessions than he actually did, which is a fail. I also know Corbyn has been anti-EU right up to the point where he got elected leader of the Labour party, which is a fail..... Yup he thought he would try it on and failed, the change seems to have came about for cameron and corbyn when oban said we'd have to wait ages to get a us trade deal Once again though, the trade deal with the US is a red herring. The UK, nor anyone in the EU, have ever had a trade deal with the US......However, trade does go on, as it always has done. Today, Cameron is giving the frights to Pensioners. Apparently, Brexit will mean that he might not be able to give Pensioners a decent pension. Doesn't he realise that that is HIS job as the Leader of the Government? Is he actually admitting that he cannot run the country, because that is the message his scare tactics are giving out.........The only people he hasn't tried to scare are the Unicorn Breeders. Also today, Gordon Brown was wheeled out to give the Remain Camp a big boost...........No, stop laughing at the back, he really was. He said that Immigration is not the problem, but it's Illegal Immigration that is the problem. It seems to me that the real problem is that people like Brown and his ilk do not understand the issues that are affecting real people throughout the UK! |
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Post by inee on Jun 13, 2016 12:53:26 GMT
I've said many times in this thread that the Yanks have more to lose than us if a trade deal dint exist, twas just obama flexing his muscles.
From memory isn't the reason our pensions are sh** mainly down to the eu robbing them, i cant remember if we signed another thing whereby any eu state could rob our pension pot to supplement theirs.
It's seems that people forget that pensioners are a powerful voting force, trying to get their votes is one thing, but to prey on their ability to survive on their pensions and put them under that pressure is unforgivable, vile, Dam cowardly and not the british thing to do.
If cameron and other uk governments stopped spunking money in overseas aid then perhaps pensioners could get what many have paid in for all their lives and are entitled to, and can live out their lives not rich but able to eat and heat.
The remain campaign will probably bring out zippy ,bungle and geoffrey next. just look at some who they have rolled out.
John major sorry but how in the hell can anyone take him seriously as all i see when i look at his is edwina currie and think are you really of sound mind.
Tony bLair self absorbed social climbing war criminal who not only pretended that iraq had wmd's, but decided to invade and cause mass murder that is being felt today(especially by our forces and their families), just to set himself up in a job as a peace envoy.
Brown well f**k me cameron your judgement is about as stable as majors choice in women.but that aside does the bellend not realise that immigration is an issue as lets face it someone from the former eastern bloc countries can come over make little and send money back home,in theory ok however it drives down wages, now illegals don't get me started, yes they have a real negative impact on wage prices for crap jobs, however why the f**k aren't we trying to round em up quicker as a lot are no more than slaves, which i thought was abolished in this country centuries ago. (sorry got a bit ranty there).
This is supposed to be a vote for everyone so stop trying to Dam scare the more venerable members of our society into voting remain(which incidentally shows how much you Dam care)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 13:27:38 GMT
Yer we go....more doom & gloom. Donald Tusk (one of the five EU President's) in an interview in 'Bild' (German paper) says about a possible Brexit..... "As a historian, I am afraid this could in fact be the start of the process of destruction of not only the EU but also of the Western political civilization." If that is the case, then bring it on ! Full Interview |
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Post by inee on Jun 13, 2016 16:31:47 GMT
Cheers nobs made me chuckle that did, although im suprised he dint blame our football fans  |
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Post by jaggas on Jun 13, 2016 17:12:42 GMT
I am convinced when we exit other nations will demand the same vote we had and with that the destruction of the EU will be quite rapid.
I, like Nobby think the leave vote will be very conclusive as people feel very passionately about this and cannot wait to get to the polling station.The dont knows will probably stay away and the remains are nowhere near as passionate about staying as the brexit mob are about leaving.
Devastating news for the remainers today as Boeing are to move their European HQ to Britain regardless of the referendum result.,
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 13, 2016 17:16:39 GMT
I am convinced when we exit other nations will demand the same vote we had and with that the destruction of the EU will be quite rapid. I like Nobby think the leave vote will be very conclusive as people feel very passionately about this and cannot wait to get to the polling station.The dont knows will probably stay away and the remains are nowhere near as passionate about staying as the brexit mob. I'm not normally a grammar pedant but you've written a sentence there that reads "I like Nobby" rather than "I, like Nobby...". I'm fairly sure you can't mean that. Even his mother struggles to like him. |
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Post by jaggas on Jun 13, 2016 17:27:51 GMT
Corrected Hugo............ |
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Post by William Wilson on Jun 14, 2016 6:54:32 GMT
Corrected Hugo............ Corrected, Hugo. |
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Post by William Wilson on Jun 14, 2016 7:11:43 GMT
I've looked at the detail - Cameron, Osbourne, Corbyn, Sturgeon, Blair, Kinnock, Major and the Archbishop of Canterbury all support Remain - that's enough for me to vote OUT! The only question that needs to be considered is if we weren't in the EU already, would we be queueing up to join? yours faithfully, The 5th largest economy in the world! Totally agree with you. All this nonsense about the EU not trading with the UK is just that, nonsense. The EU zone economically, is either stagnant, or in decline. Does anyone seriously believe that they can ignore the 5th largest economy in the world? I just hope, that which ever side wins, that it is by a huge amount. I dread a 51%/49% split on the vote, because if that happens, the argument will still continue. I want a decisive victory, for one side or the other. Don`t agree. I`d like the leavers to win by a distance, but if the stayers prevail, I hope the margin of victory is smaller than a City fan`s penis. How do you think Brussels would interpret an overwhelming vote to remain? "Full speed ahead." That`s not what I want. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 7:33:26 GMT
Totally agree with you. All this nonsense about the EU not trading with the UK is just that, nonsense. The EU zone economically, is either stagnant, or in decline. Does anyone seriously believe that they can ignore the 5th largest economy in the world? I just hope, that which ever side wins, that it is by a huge amount. I dread a 51%/49% split on the vote, because if that happens, the argument will still continue. I want a decisive victory, for one side or the other. Don`t agree. I`d like the leavers to win by a distance, but if the stayers prevail, I hope the margin of victory is smaller than a City fan`s penis. How do you think Brussels would interpret an overwhelming vote to remain? "Full speed ahead." That`s not what I want. Yes, I hope the Leavers win by the proverbial country mile, but, if it is an overwhelming vote to Remain, then you have to respect the democratic vote! If the Remain vote win by even 1%, then this will be the last chance you will ever get to vote on this again. There is no way the political elite will ever allow another referendum to take place. |
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Post by William Wilson on Jun 14, 2016 8:04:16 GMT
Don`t agree. I`d like the leavers to win by a distance, but if the stayers prevail, I hope the margin of victory is smaller than a City fan`s penis. How do you think Brussels would interpret an overwhelming vote to remain? "Full speed ahead." That`s not what I want. Yes, I hope the Leavers win by the proverbial country mile, but, if it is an overwhelming vote to Remain, then you have to respect the democratic vote! If the Remain vote win by even 1%, then this will be the last chance you will ever get to vote on this again. There is no way the political elite will ever allow another referendum to take place. At the moment, all the big money is going on leave. It`s a surprise to me. I feel passionately about it, and it looks like a lot of people feel the same. I`m off back to the land of the free tomorrow. On Thursday, got a ticket to see the Twins play the Yankees at baseball. Or rounders as you prefer to call it, Nobby. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 8:07:21 GMT
Hope you have a great trip. What Twins are those? The Olsen Twins? Or is it Arnie and Danny DiVeto?
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Post by oldgas on Jun 14, 2016 8:52:43 GMT
I've said many times in this thread that the Yanks have more to lose than us if a trade deal dint exist, twas just obama flexing his muscles. From memory isn't the reason our pensions are sh** mainly down to the eu robbing them, i cant remember if we signed another thing whereby any eu state could rob our pension pot to supplement theirs. It's seems that people forget that pensioners are a powerful voting force, trying to get their votes is one thing, but to prey on their ability to survive on their pensions and put them under that pressure is unforgivable, vile, f**king cowardly and not the british thing to do. If cameron and other uk governments stopped spunking money in overseas aid then perhaps pensioners could get what many have paid in for all their lives and are entitled to, and can live out their lives not rich but able to eat and heat. The remain campaign will probably bring out zippy ,bungle and geoffrey next. just look at some who they have rolled out. John major sorry but how in the hell can anyone take him seriously as all i see when i look at his is edwina currie and think are you really of sound mind. Tony bLair self absorbed social climbing war criminal who not only pretended that iraq had wmd's, but decided to invade and cause mass murder that is being felt today(especially by our forces and their families), just to set himself up in a job as a peace envoy. Brown well f**k me cameron your judgement is about as stable as majors choice in women.but that aside does the bellend not realise that immigration is an issue as lets face it someone from the former eastern bloc countries can come over make little and send money back home,in theory ok however it drives down wages, now illegals don't get me started, yes they have a real negative impact on wage prices for crap jobs, however why the f**k aren't we trying to round em up quicker as a lot are no more than slaves, which i thought was abolished in this country centuries ago. (sorry got a bit ranty there). This is supposed to be a vote for everyone so stop trying to f**king scare the more venerable members of our society into voting remain(which incidentally shows how much you f**king care) You're bang on the money with this. Let's examine the records of these pro EU "experts" Cameron. Just a few months ago was telling everyone that we would be fine outside of the EU, he was shown on TV saying exactly this. What has changed? He went to Brussels to campaign for various concessions on open door immigration, Human Rights etc etc. Basically he got told to f@ck off with all his requests and came home with his tail between his legs. he has changed from"We will be fine outside the EU" to promising virtual Armageddon if e come out. Apart from plunging the world into war, pensioners won't get a pension increase. There will be tens of thousands of job losses. The NHS will collapse, standards of living will drop because every family will be at least £5000 pa worse off. Does he think we're stupid? About the only things he hasn't promised us Are plagues of frogs, locusts pestilence and an outbreak of boils. Osborne. See above. Those two Wankers have obviously been spending all their time together inventing this bollox. Major. Hewasthe Chancellor who took us into the ERM. The precursor to the he Euro currency. By the time he was PM the pound was struggling against the German Mark and to maintain parity, at one point interest rates were as high as 15%!!!!. We had to pull out of the ERM and our economy took off and we had over 10years of growth. Bliar. Lying,cheating war criminal. His disastrous military intervention in the Middle East caused all the problems in that region. It is as a direct result of his actions that Europe is being flooded with all these refugees. Brown. Presided over the worst financial crash and subsequent worst recessions this country has ever faced. Together with Bliar was responsible for 15 years of uncontrolled immigration. How on earth anyone could believe anything those lying,cheating losers have to say is beyond me. Vote leave. It's the only way we'll get control of our country back to our sovereign Parliament because at the moment we have to do as Germany tell us, via Brussels, just as the rest of the EU have to do. |
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Post by William Wilson on Jun 14, 2016 14:27:29 GMT
Hope you have a great trip. What Twins are those? The Olsen Twins? Or is it Arnie and Danny DiVeto? Cheers, Nobby. Should be a good trip. Got three states left to visit, ( Iowa, Minnesota and N Dakota) and I`ll have been to all fifty. You know perfectly well, that I`m referring to the Minnesota Twins. You`re just pretending for comic effect. I get back on the 23rd, just in time to cast the winning vote in the referendum. Hopefully. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 18:44:58 GMT
Hope you have a great trip. What Twins are those? The Olsen Twins? Or is it Arnie and Danny DiVeto? Cheers, Nobby. Should be a good trip. Got three states left to visit, ( Iowa, Minnesota and N Dakota) and I`ll have been to all fifty. You know perfectly well, that I`m referring to the Minnesota Twins. You`re just pretending for comic effect. I get back on the 23rd, just in time to cast the winning vote in the referendum. Hopefully. I was being serious........so, these Minnesota Twins........Why are they playing rounders against millions of Yankees? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 6:33:51 GMT
So, yesterday Labour took front stage to appeal for voters to Remain.
What did they have to offer? Well, no positive news of staying in the EU that was for sure.
However, being Labour and totally out of touch with reality, they fell back on their busted arguments and apparently they claim we have to stay in the EU to save the NHS!
The reality:-
The EU in future will move towards being a Federal State of Europe. Harmonization of everything is on the table, laws, taxes etc.....even Health Care. Do people think the whole of the EU will become like the current British NHS, or in the new Federal Europe, do you think the NHS will become more like the European Models? Honestly, which way do you think it will go?
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Post by aghast on Jun 15, 2016 12:44:31 GMT
Since so many non-Labour voters tend to do nothing but criticise the NHS and its inefficiency, and say we should move to a European model based on personal insurance, then those non-Labour voters might now wish to vote to remain.
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