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Post by Okebournegas on Jun 25, 2016 9:41:26 GMT
On my mothers life, and on the soul of Bristol Rovers, I genuinely discussed Brexit with an Algerian taxi driver, an Indian waiter and my ex wife who is Russian descent. All of them supported Brexit - as they felt it discriminated against their countrymen. All were patriots - of course, to their own country, but to their new home - Britain. All love this country and the unbelievable tolerance and acceptance we show to others. We are seen mainly as "straight". They love our sense of justice, fair play and willingness to support the underdog. Out police don't get bribed or ask for them. Our schools treat their kids as equals and respect their customs whilst engendering and fostering a mutual love of Britain. I have as much respect for these immigrants as anyone else who bears the union flag and embraces our values. What we all agreed is we despise the self hating masochists that have had their mind warped by historical revisionists who believe western culture is the cause of the worlds evils. The PC tossers so intent on demonising White British people as racists despite the whole world respecting our tolerance and sense of equality for all. I will stand shoulder to shoulder to any black, brown, green or yellow Britain. Respect the flag, respect the laws and you are all welcome. This isn't about xenophobia, or race. We all stand together under one nation - and we all agree, despite our birthplace, that Britain kicks ass. Have pride as our migrants do. Anyone respecting our country regardless of colour of background is as valid as I - a true British born person. This isn't about jingoisnm - it's a revolt - a working clas revolt against unelected beurocrats, and moving cheap labour about to suit the whims of the Giants - Goldman Sachs, big bisiness, political classes. Common sense has prevailed - those of us who remember the days when the EU was what it was supposed to be - a reading block, remement how most people could afford a home. Most people could survive on a low income without living in dank shared accommodation. I left school at 16 and got a good job, which lead to a great career - good luck to kids doing that now with 30 something poles offering better skills for the same money. But the luvvies don't care - it's a Marxists project to rob us of this, to fill the pockets of our owners. Well done Britain A Algerians, Russians and Indians alike. We beat the lies and spin and the working class (not me, but I fight for the rights of the poor) have beaten the middle class, cosseted idiots who have no idea what housing and services pressure feel like, from their cosy jobs and 300k homes. Power to the people. This resembles the 60s civil rights movement - the downtrodden v the establishment We lost 20000 men in the Somme in 1916, my guess is they died defending the Union Jack, not 12 stars of a German run Europe. You've done them proud. I can hear the cheering from those Flanders poppy fields.... What an excellent well writen piece that much sums up my take on it. Fair play to you. |
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Post by inee on Jun 25, 2016 13:16:36 GMT
i think this is a terrible day for us and the future of Europe, with nationalism and extremism already rearing their ugly heads. But on this thread on this forum, I am in a tiny minority. So I won't expand upon that. The other thing I think is that we need a General Election. With Cameron gone and Corbyn doomed, we will have new party leaders of the two main parties. There will be new cabinets and shadow cabinets, and a whole host of new policies to cope with the radically new world we now face. As it stands, a bunch of MPs in the Tory party are going to decide the future of the U.K. for the next few years, but everything has changed now. The two parties will have different views about how to handle the exit, and I think the voters should be able to decide who can best manage it. This wasn't a vote about how the Tories can take us out of Europe. It was a vote to leave, albeit by a small majority. The result, and the intention to leave the EU, has been decided, and that must now happen. But who does it, and how they do it, hasn't been voted upon. This is a massive event, akin to the decision about who governs Britain after WW2 ended. On the contrary please do expand ,i don't believe you are in the minority i just think your one of the few who has spoken in this particular thread, you have as much right to post your views as anyone else, i for one would like to know your expanded views, we may even totally disagree with each other but your point is just as valid as everyone elses  |
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Post by Okebournegas on Jun 25, 2016 13:53:22 GMT
i think this is a terrible day for us and the future of Europe, with nationalism and extremism already rearing their ugly heads. But on this thread on this forum, I am in a tiny minority. So I won't expand upon that. The other thing I think is that we need a General Election. With Cameron gone and Corbyn doomed, we will have new party leaders of the two main parties. There will be new cabinets and shadow cabinets, and a whole host of new policies to cope with the radically new world we now face. As it stands, a bunch of MPs in the Tory party are going to decide the future of the U.K. for the next few years, but everything has changed now. The two parties will have different views about how to handle the exit, and I think the voters should be able to decide who can best manage it. This wasn't a vote about how the Tories can take us out of Europe. It was a vote to leave, albeit by a small majority. The result, and the intention to leave the EU, has been decided, and that must now happen. But who does it, and how they do it, hasn't been voted upon. This is a massive event, akin to the decision about who governs Britain after WW2 ended. On the contrary please do expand ,i don't believe you are in the minority i just think your one of the few who has spoken in this particular thread, you have as much right to post your views as anyone else, i for one would like to know your expanded views, we may even totally disagree with each other but your point is just as valid as everyone elses How dare you respect someone else's opinion ! |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 25, 2016 15:56:34 GMT
i think this is a terrible day for us and the future of Europe, with nationalism and extremism already rearing their ugly heads. But on this thread on this forum, I am in a tiny minority. So I won't expand upon that. The other thing I think is that we need a General Election. With Cameron gone and Corbyn doomed, we will have new party leaders of the two main parties. There will be new cabinets and shadow cabinets, and a whole host of new policies to cope with the radically new world we now face. As it stands, a bunch of MPs in the Tory party are going to decide the future of the U.K. for the next few years, but everything has changed now. The two parties will have different views about how to handle the exit, and I think the voters should be able to decide who can best manage it. This wasn't a vote about how the Tories can take us out of Europe. It was a vote to leave, albeit by a small majority. The result, and the intention to leave the EU, has been decided, and that must now happen. But who does it, and how they do it, hasn't been voted upon. This is a massive event, akin to the decision about who governs Britain after WW2 ended. On the contrary please do expand ,i don't believe you are in the minority i just think your one of the few who has spoken in this particular thread, you have as much right to post your views as anyone else, i for one would like to know your expanded views, we may even totally disagree with each other but your point is just as valid as everyone elses Yesterday the French, Italian and Dutch versions of the UKIP (far right political types ) were all over this result like a rash. I suspect that's what he was referring to. |
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Post by jaggas on Jun 25, 2016 18:10:31 GMT
Surely the Liberal political classes who think they know more than anyone else because they read The Guardian should be delighted as UKIP will be finished as a political party.There is no right wing politics in Britain now just a free country that can make its own decisions.
Already German industry is telling its parliament to make a deal/treaty with the UK as hundreds of thousands of jobs and millions of pounds depends on trade with the UK,America is ready to negotiate a trade deal as are Canada.The only ones throwing toys out the pram are the people of London and like minded people who think they know best and the French who are now f*cked and are calling for punitive sanctions against the UK.
Democracy won yesterday the EU called the UKs bluff and got exactly what it deserved.
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Post by mjhgas on Jun 25, 2016 20:15:39 GMT
We need to hold an election asap.
Each political party can then state exactly what (and how) they intend to do! Politicians will then be held accountable.
We may have just seen the end of career politicians treating their public with utter contempt.
As for those demanding a re-vote - #### off!
The average Briton is bloody negative! Let's move on and make the most of it!
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Post by jaggas on Jun 25, 2016 20:43:32 GMT
Were you a Remain campaigner? Are you sore about the referendum result? Check out these 10 top self-comforting strategies.
1.) Call every white person who voted Leave a "racist", ignoring the fact that Europeans are also white. Make sure you ignore and marginalise ethnic minority leave voters.
2.) Claim that the (huge) turnout wasn't high enough. 72%? It should have been at least 75%! 80%? It should have been 85%! Make sure to keep moving the goalposts.
3.) Make a stupid e-petition demanding another referendum, just like the socialists did when Labour lost last year. We need to keep having referendums until we get the "right" result.
4.) Get over-excited about the economy, even if the impact has been pretty boring and mundane. Pretend that your 2:2 in English Literature makes you an expert on currency markets.
5.) Attack the very idea of Democracy, because it's only a good thing when it goes the way you want it to. Working class voters don't know what's good for them, but middle class liberals definitely do.
6.) Share memes bashing Brexit, ignoring the unwelcome and uncomfortable realisation that you are in the minority of public opinion.
7.) Boldly claim that Scotland will leave the UK, forgetting that A) they can't afford to B) the EU can't afford to take them C) 1.6m remain votes don't cancel out 2m NO votes.
8.) Make fun of Boris Johnson while sweating slightly and really hoping he doesn't become Prime Minister.
9.) Learn absolutely nothing from the campaign, blaming the result on everyone but yourself. Scaremongering and bullying are clearly the best tactics to use, there's no way they could possibly backfire.
10.) Curl up in a ball and cry yourself to sleep while listening to "Ode to Joy".
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Post by aghast on Jun 25, 2016 21:17:11 GMT
Were you a Remain campaigner? Are you sore about the referendum result? Check out these 10 top self-comforting strategies. 1.) Call every white person who voted Leave a "racist", ignoring the fact that Europeans are also white. Make sure you ignore and marginalise ethnic minority leave voters. 2.) Claim that the (huge) turnout wasn't high enough. 72%? It should have been at least 75%! 80%? It should have been 85%! Make sure to keep moving the goalposts. 3.) Make a stupid e-petition demanding another referendum, just like the socialists did when Labour lost last year. We need to keep having referendums until we get the "right" result. 4.) Get over-excited about the economy, even if the impact has been pretty boring and mundane. Pretend that your 2:2 in English Literature makes you an expert on currency markets. 5.) Attack the very idea of Democracy, because it's only a good thing when it goes the way you want it to. Working class voters don't know what's good for them, but middle class liberals definitely do. 6.) Share memes bashing Brexit, ignoring the unwelcome and uncomfortable realisation that you are in the minority of public opinion. 7.) Boldly claim that Scotland will leave the UK, forgetting that A) they can't afford to B) the EU can't afford to take them C) 1.6m remain votes don't cancel out 2m NO votes. 8.) Make fun of Boris Johnson while sweating slightly and really hoping he doesn't become Prime Minister. 9.) Learn absolutely nothing from the campaign, blaming the result on everyone but yourself. Scaremongering and bullying are clearly the best tactics to use, there's no way they could possibly backfire. 10.) Curl up in a ball and cry yourself to sleep while listening to "Ode to Joy". That is spooky. All boxes ticked. Are you my mother? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 1:00:14 GMT
Were you a Remain campaigner? Are you sore about the referendum result? Check out these 10 top self-comforting strategies. 1.) Call every white person who voted Leave a "racist", ignoring the fact that Europeans are also white. Make sure you ignore and marginalise ethnic minority leave voters. 2.) Claim that the (huge) turnout wasn't high enough. 72%? It should have been at least 75%! 80%? It should have been 85%! Make sure to keep moving the goalposts. 3.) Make a stupid e-petition demanding another referendum, just like the socialists did when Labour lost last year. We need to keep having referendums until we get the "right" result. 4.) Get over-excited about the economy, even if the impact has been pretty boring and mundane. Pretend that your 2:2 in English Literature makes you an expert on currency markets. 5.) Attack the very idea of Democracy, because it's only a good thing when it goes the way you want it to. Working class voters don't know what's good for them, but middle class liberals definitely do. 6.) Share memes bashing Brexit, ignoring the unwelcome and uncomfortable realisation that you are in the minority of public opinion. 7.) Boldly claim that Scotland will leave the UK, forgetting that A) they can't afford to B) the EU can't afford to take them C) 1.6m remain votes don't cancel out 2m NO votes. 8.) Make fun of Boris Johnson while sweating slightly and really hoping he doesn't become Prime Minister. 9.) Learn absolutely nothing from the campaign, blaming the result on everyone but yourself. Scaremongering and bullying are clearly the best tactics to use, there's no way they could possibly backfire. 10.) Curl up in a ball and cry yourself to sleep while listening to "Ode to Joy". Jagas, someone told me they couldn't put it better, but belive me, this post is among the greatest I have ever read and sums up my view better than I ever could. It's like fresh air. I salute you sir. Strength and honour. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 1:06:56 GMT
Were you a Remain campaigner? Are you sore about the referendum result? Check out these 10 top self-comforting strategies. 1.) Call every white person who voted Leave a "racist", ignoring the fact that Europeans are also white. Make sure you ignore and marginalise ethnic minority leave voters. 2.) Claim that the (huge) turnout wasn't high enough. 72%? It should have been at least 75%! 80%? It should have been 85%! Make sure to keep moving the goalposts. 3.) Make a stupid e-petition demanding another referendum, just like the socialists did when Labour lost last year. We need to keep having referendums until we get the "right" result. 4.) Get over-excited about the economy, even if the impact has been pretty boring and mundane. Pretend that your 2:2 in English Literature makes you an expert on currency markets. 5.) Attack the very idea of Democracy, because it's only a good thing when it goes the way you want it to. Working class voters don't know what's good for them, but middle class liberals definitely do. 6.) Share memes bashing Brexit, ignoring the unwelcome and uncomfortable realisation that you are in the minority of public opinion. 7.) Boldly claim that Scotland will leave the UK, forgetting that A) they can't afford to B) the EU can't afford to take them C) 1.6m remain votes don't cancel out 2m NO votes. 8.) Make fun of Boris Johnson while sweating slightly and really hoping he doesn't become Prime Minister. 9.) Learn absolutely nothing from the campaign, blaming the result on everyone but yourself. Scaremongering and bullying are clearly the best tactics to use, there's no way they could possibly backfire. 10.) Curl up in a ball and cry yourself to sleep while listening to "Ode to Joy". Number 5 is your true genius, and the real truth of this campaign. Brilliant |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 26, 2016 7:54:04 GMT
Were you a Remain campaigner? Are you sore about the referendum result? Check out these 10 top self-comforting strategies. 1.) Call every white person who voted Leave a "racist", ignoring the fact that Europeans are also white. Make sure you ignore and marginalise ethnic minority leave voters. 2.) Claim that the (huge) turnout wasn't high enough. 72%? It should have been at least 75%! 80%? It should have been 85%! Make sure to keep moving the goalposts. 3.) Make a stupid e-petition demanding another referendum, just like the socialists did when Labour lost last year. We need to keep having referendums until we get the "right" result. 4.) Get over-excited about the economy, even if the impact has been pretty boring and mundane. Pretend that your 2:2 in English Literature makes you an expert on currency markets. 5.) Attack the very idea of Democracy, because it's only a good thing when it goes the way you want it to. Working class voters don't know what's good for them, but middle class liberals definitely do. 6.) Share memes bashing Brexit, ignoring the unwelcome and uncomfortable realisation that you are in the minority of public opinion. 7.) Boldly claim that Scotland will leave the UK, forgetting that A) they can't afford to B) the EU can't afford to take them C) 1.6m remain votes don't cancel out 2m NO votes. 8.) Make fun of Boris Johnson while sweating slightly and really hoping he doesn't become Prime Minister. 9.) Learn absolutely nothing from the campaign, blaming the result on everyone but yourself. Scaremongering and bullying are clearly the best tactics to use, there's no way they could possibly backfire. 10.) Curl up in a ball and cry yourself to sleep while listening to "Ode to Joy". Leave Campaigners 1) Win with good grace. No need for 9 others until you've mastered point 1. |
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Post by Bill Bones on Jun 26, 2016 8:23:08 GMT
Were you a Remain campaigner? Are you sore about the referendum result? Check out these 10 top self-comforting strategies. 1.) Call every white person who voted Leave a "racist", ignoring the fact that Europeans are also white. Make sure you ignore and marginalise ethnic minority leave voters. 2.) Claim that the (huge) turnout wasn't high enough. 72%? It should have been at least 75%! 80%? It should have been 85%! Make sure to keep moving the goalposts. 3.) Make a stupid e-petition demanding another referendum, just like the socialists did when Labour lost last year. We need to keep having referendums until we get the "right" result. 4.) Get over-excited about the economy, even if the impact has been pretty boring and mundane. Pretend that your 2:2 in English Literature makes you an expert on currency markets. 5.) Attack the very idea of Democracy, because it's only a good thing when it goes the way you want it to. Working class voters don't know what's good for them, but middle class liberals definitely do. 6.) Share memes bashing Brexit, ignoring the unwelcome and uncomfortable realisation that you are in the minority of public opinion. 7.) Boldly claim that Scotland will leave the UK, forgetting that A) they can't afford to B) the EU can't afford to take them C) 1.6m remain votes don't cancel out 2m NO votes. 8.) Make fun of Boris Johnson while sweating slightly and really hoping he doesn't become Prime Minister. 9.) Learn absolutely nothing from the campaign, blaming the result on everyone but yourself. Scaremongering and bullying are clearly the best tactics to use, there's no way they could possibly backfire. 10.) Curl up in a ball and cry yourself to sleep while listening to "Ode to Joy". Leave Campaigners 1) Win with good grace. No need for 9 others until you've mastered point 1. Leave have won with far more grace than Remain have lost with. |
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Post by beaver132 on Jun 26, 2016 8:24:18 GMT
Whichever way you voted, times have changed. Friends turning on friends, generation against generation, region against region. This is all because of weak leadership. A gamble by a politician who put his own personal ambition above the good of his country. He won the election on a promise of a referendum, and then lost that bet. Now he's gone. Now, either he made that bet in the full knowledge that if he lost, this country was finished, or he made it knowing we would be ok. I hope the latter. If the former, he should be arrested for something. Reckless driving of a nation? The leave vote wasn't a vote by racists against the people of Europe, it was a vote by the majority against the ruling elite, both here and abroad. The unleashing of the people, the people who have felt disenfranchised for years. The turnout was so high, because people voted who had never done so before, because they wanted a voice. Have they made the right decision? I have no idea. Will the politicians try to block the will of the people? I relive they will. I also believe they will succeed. I do not believe we will leave the EU. Something will be put in place to prevent it. Democracy will then die in this country and the politicians will make noises about engaging with the electorate, but deep down they will be happier if the people leave the important stuff to their betters. Sad days all round (oh, I got the promotion spot on, the right number of points and by GD over accrington, and I called the referendum right 52-48. So I am 'ITK'. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 9:30:06 GMT
Whichever way you voted, times have changed. Friends turning on friends, generation against generation, region against region. This is all because of weak leadership. A gamble by a politician who put his own personal ambition above the good of his country. He won the election on a promise of a referendum, and then lost that bet. Now he's gone. Now, either he made that bet in the full knowledge that if he lost, this country was finished, or he made it knowing we would be ok. I hope the latter. If the former, he should be arrested for something. Reckless driving of a nation? The leave vote wasn't a vote by racists against the people of Europe, it was a vote by the majority against the ruling elite, both here and abroad. The unleashing of the people, the people who have felt disenfranchised for years. The turnout was so high, because people voted who had never done so before, because they wanted a voice. Have they made the right decision? I have no idea. Will the politicians try to block the will of the people? I relive they will. I also believe they will succeed. I do not believe we will leave the EU. Something will be put in place to prevent it. Democracy will then die in this country and the politicians will make noises about engaging with the electorate, but deep down they will be happier if the people leave the important stuff to their betters. Sad days all round (oh, I got the promotion spot on, the right number of points and by GD over accrington, and I called the referendum right 52-48. So I am 'ITK'. Sorry but this is not how I see it at all. I've seen a few comments about DC taking a gamble by offering an EU referendum. That wasn't a gamble! He pledged a referendum because that's what the people wanted, as did other parties in the Commons. He has done the obvious by stepping down and I can't see the problem with that at all. The Tories have done a good job to get us in better shape than we were 5 years ago and are now in a position to stand up and have a good go at it independently from the EU. We will leave the EU. We will also witness other nations making moves to take control of themselves as we have done. Whichever way you voted, why not look forwards instead of backwards and moan about what might have been? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 26, 2016 10:54:49 GMT
Leave Campaigners 1) Win with good grace. No need for 9 others until you've mastered point 1. Leave have won with far more grace than Remain have lost with. Looks to me like both sides are accepting the result in the same way they conducted their campaigns. Pathetic the lot of them the way they carry on. |
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Post by beaver132 on Jun 26, 2016 11:46:46 GMT
Whichever way you voted, times have changed. Friends turning on friends, generation against generation, region against region. This is all because of weak leadership. A gamble by a politician who put his own personal ambition above the good of his country. He won the election on a promise of a referendum, and then lost that bet. Now he's gone. Now, either he made that bet in the full knowledge that if he lost, this country was finished, or he made it knowing we would be ok. I hope the latter. If the former, he should be arrested for something. Reckless driving of a nation? The leave vote wasn't a vote by racists against the people of Europe, it was a vote by the majority against the ruling elite, both here and abroad. The unleashing of the people, the people who have felt disenfranchised for years. The turnout was so high, because people voted who had never done so before, because they wanted a voice. Have they made the right decision? I have no idea. Will the politicians try to block the will of the people? I relive they will. I also believe they will succeed. I do not believe we will leave the EU. Something will be put in place to prevent it. Democracy will then die in this country and the politicians will make noises about engaging with the electorate, but deep down they will be happier if the people leave the important stuff to their betters. Sad days all round (oh, I got the promotion spot on, the right number of points and by GD over accrington, and I called the referendum right 52-48. So I am 'ITK'. Sorry but this is not how I see it at all. I've seen a few comments about DC taking a gamble by offering an EU referendum. That wasn't a gamble! He pledged a referendum because that's what the people wanted, as did other parties in the Commons. He has done the obvious by stepping down and I can't see the problem with that at all. The Tories have done a good job to get us in better shape than we were 5 years ago and are now in a position to stand up and have a good go at it independently from the EU. We will leave the EU. We will also witness other nations making moves to take control of themselves as we have done. Whichever way you voted, why not look forwards instead of backwards and moan about what might have been? Sorry wasn't a grumble about what might have been. Was an observation. We have no choice but to look forwards. The referendum wasn't, to my recollection, in the manifesto of other parties? I stand corrected if I'm wrong. |
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Post by lpgas on Jun 26, 2016 12:20:22 GMT
Blimey, I wished I had read this earlier, but here is my two pennyworth.
Firstly if we wanted to be governed by people we couldn't vote in or out then what was the point of fighting WW2? We could have saved over 365,000 British lives. Secondly Referendums (or referenda) is the purest form of democracy. Everyone has a vote of equal importance and everyone has the choice of using it or not. Then for the people who want a second referendum. Firstly they are saying that the turn out was too low. If this is one of the points then all the out voters have to do in the next one is, not vote, and by doing that it would be invalid.
Secondly they quote the Lisbon Treaty, but Britain has an opt out of the Lisbon Treaty which says "The UK and Ireland have a flexible opt-out from justice and home affairs measures and could choose to participate in them on a case-by-case basis."
I would imagine that the referendum would be classed as a "home affair" given that it was not across all of the EU
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Post by inee on Jun 26, 2016 13:57:01 GMT
On the contrary please do expand ,i don't believe you are in the minority i just think your one of the few who has spoken in this particular thread, you have as much right to post your views as anyone else, i for one would like to know your expanded views, we may even totally disagree with each other but your point is just as valid as everyone elses How dare you respect someone else's opinion ! Oh hell does that mean im not a real leave voter  sorry for letting the side down  |
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Post by Okebournegas on Jun 26, 2016 14:02:16 GMT
How dare you respect someone else's opinion ! Oh hell does that mean im not a real leave voter sorry for letting the side down Now go to your room lol ! |
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Post by inee on Jun 26, 2016 14:04:30 GMT
On the contrary please do expand ,i don't believe you are in the minority i just think your one of the few who has spoken in this particular thread, you have as much right to post your views as anyone else, i for one would like to know your expanded views, we may even totally disagree with each other but your point is just as valid as everyone elses Yesterday the French, Italian and Dutch versions of the UKIP (far right political types ) were all over this result like a rash. I suspect that's what he was referring to. Probably but it's one of my pet hates, posters who will not share their point of view for whatever reason, i find others opinions interesting |
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