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Post by justin blue on May 22, 2016 8:32:57 GMT
Lost track of the progress on this thread but... Does the ''Supporters Club'' matter enough? (Genuine question). If it does, then let's get rid of this bloke. Lets force a change. I'd gladly lead some kind of protest against him, as I feel quite strongly, to be honest. (IF it's worth doing??) Soon as he's removed, I'll pay to join UTG! Yes it matters enough and many other Rovers supporters don't share your oppinion. Do they matter?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 8:36:03 GMT
Well you and many others for one! If you agree that those seats meant nothing why all the shouting that these people stood by and done nothing to represent the supporters? There are virtually 8 pages saying just this! The Supporters club and two representatives on the board done and said nothing to voice the concerns of the supporters! Would they have been listened to? We all know the answer. I thought i said it clearly enough in this thread and over the years. They should have made a stand. Who knows if it would have made a difference. But it would have been a story to report. When there have been many failed and/or half hearted attempt to creatr a new fans group, you get told to get involved in the SC. If the SC spoke up maybe they would have mobilised more support and help. Pretending to tow the party line was acheiving what. If the SC chair and directors felt similar to a lot of mouthy people on the internet than why didnt they reach out to them? A lot of those 'mouthy' people had heled the SC in the past so maybe they could have brought them into the fold or revitalised them. Is moaning behind closed doors about the club shafting.the SC any different to blowing hot air on a forum? It appears you are back tracking slightly! But to me, the Supporters Club SUPPORT the club which they have been doing. Others wanted to drag it to a different direction. They do what they have always done. But some people thought/wanted more. But who says the club is shafting the Supporters Club?
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Post by CheshireGas on May 22, 2016 8:42:55 GMT
I thought i said it clearly enough in this thread and over the years. They should have made a stand. Who knows if it would have made a difference. But it would have been a story to report. When there have been many failed and/or half hearted attempt to creatr a new fans group, you get told to get involved in the SC. If the SC spoke up maybe they would have mobilised more support and help. Pretending to tow the party line was acheiving what. If the SC chair and directors felt similar to a lot of mouthy people on the internet than why didnt they reach out to them? A lot of those 'mouthy' people had heled the SC in the past so maybe they could have brought them into the fold or revitalised them. Is moaning behind closed doors about the club shafting.the SC any different to blowing hot air on a forum? It appears you are back tracking slightly! But to me, the Supporters Club SUPPORT the club which they have been doing. Others wanted to drag it to a different direction. They do what they have always done. But some people thought/wanted more. But who says the club is shafting the Supporters Club? It is interesting Eastville that in the past the SC said that it didn't criticise the club (including NH and the Board) because they were a supporters club i.e. support the club. Yet now there is a new Board JC is suddenly criticising the club....
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Post by peterparker on May 22, 2016 8:47:57 GMT
I thought i said it clearly enough in this thread and over the years. They should have made a stand. Who knows if it would have made a difference. But it would have been a story to report. When there have been many failed and/or half hearted attempt to creatr a new fans group, you get told to get involved in the SC. If the SC spoke up maybe they would have mobilised more support and help. Pretending to tow the party line was acheiving what. If the SC chair and directors felt similar to a lot of mouthy people on the internet than why didnt they reach out to them? A lot of those 'mouthy' people had heled the SC in the past so maybe they could have brought them into the fold or revitalised them. Is moaning behind closed doors about the club shafting.the SC any different to blowing hot air on a forum? It appears you are back tracking slightly! But to me, the Supporters Club SUPPORT the club which they have been doing. Others wanted to drag it to a different direction. They do what they have always done. But some people thought/wanted more. But who says the club is shafting the Supporters Club? Gashead 79 said Nick Higgs was a dictator. Where do you think the SC would have ended up if they had complained when we were slowly going down the plug hole under his reign? We have fans directors, so for all the finger pointing at JC, why didn't those people gobbing off on here put their issues forwards to BSS or Ken? The club were strangling the SC, the kingswood shop was put up for sale, privileges were taken away from the shop. The share scheme became insignificant. Either the SC were being repressed/squeezed/taken.for granted by the club or they wernt. If they were they had means and opportunity to engage its fanbase. I hope the SC can sit down with the chair and discuss how the club is going to move forward. How it will effect the SC, hopefully for the better and any issues can be resolved Need to stop now as i have stuff to do while it is dry out
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Post by justin blue on May 22, 2016 8:47:58 GMT
No, I'm not overlooking that point. BSS highlighted when Higgs left exactly what people on here are saying JC should have done. But he got off lightly compared to the posts on here. They are two of the same to me in the boardroom but it's plain to see who is head and shoulders above the other for what they have done for the club and supporters. But like i say,the supporters club is old school and times have changed. And it's not about the OP either. It's those FAUX seats on the board which people actually thought carried some clout. Who thought they carried any clout?. Many of us lets call them the 50 internet warriors as Boycey put it, said years ago the positions were almost pointless, but as you would always be told better to be watering out and all that. There is only so long you can p**s out of the tent when.the others are sh**ting inside it Jim has worked a lot of the years for the SC and deserves credit for the hard work, but it appears the club is reorganising itself in a more professional way. The SCs role is going.to change for sure because of how we are owned. If SH has put the SCs nose out of joint, I hope any disagreements can be talked over Years of the club demanding money from Helpline, The SC disappering and not be used to fill the black hole (if this takeover is as real as it appears) is a good thing. Hopefully any monies raised in future can be better utilised for the supporters and supporters club without the club breathing down their neck We all seen how the previous edit regime dealt with discontent when the official forum was shut down so I am sure the supporters directors had to walk a fine line. As for the money being used for supporters I thought the Idea was that the money raised should help the Football club.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 22, 2016 8:48:05 GMT
But to me, the Supporters Club SUPPORT the club which they have been doing. I dunno. If they can support the club through 5 (and more) years of crap, three seasons of near-relegation, then finally a relegation to non-league, huge losses, and stuttering progress on the watertight stadium project, then if as you say their purpose is to SUPPORT (your caps) the club, why do they suddenly withdraw their support (and quite stridently criticise) on such a relatively petty issue as the bus tour? That's what this thread is about, isn't it?
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Post by CheshireGas on May 22, 2016 8:51:01 GMT
I thought this was the bloody new start/move on from the past times we all yearned for. Now the bloke stands up and says his opinions and all bleedin hell breaks loose slating him for doing what you've all soddin wanted him to do! I think the point is Alan that the SC was silent on the relegation of our beloved club to the lowest levels led by NH and the previous Board and didn't complain because they were a 'supporters club'. Suddenly we have back to back promotions and they have grown some balls and appear to be disingenuous about what's happened. Of course JC has the right to criticise as much as anyone. I think his timing and subject were ill advisedly chosen. He has also chosen the wrong way to go about it especially after the lame excuses they have used in the past for not speaking out. I am sure there will be things in the future to speak out about but it just comes across as sour grapes and bitterness that the old regime has gone.
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Post by yattongas on May 22, 2016 8:53:40 GMT
Looking forward to the supporters club elections.
Vote Dinsdale !!
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Post by justin blue on May 22, 2016 8:53:42 GMT
But to me, the Supporters Club SUPPORT the club which they have been doing. I dunno. If they can support the club through 5 (and more) years of crap, three seasons of near-relegation, then finally a relegation to non-league, huge losses, and stuttering progress on the watertight stadium project, then if as you say their purpose is to SUPPORT (your caps) the club, why do they suddenly withdraw their support (and quite stridently criticise) on such a relatively petty issue as the bus tour? That's what this thread is about, isn't it? No they haven't withdrawn support the chairman has simply shared his disappointment that there was not an open top bus tour.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 22, 2016 8:59:45 GMT
I dunno. If they can support the club through 5 (and more) years of crap, three seasons of near-relegation, then finally a relegation to non-league, huge losses, and stuttering progress on the watertight stadium project, then if as you say their purpose is to SUPPORT (your caps) the club, why do they suddenly withdraw their support (and quite stridently criticise) on such a relatively petty issue as the bus tour? That's what this thread is about, isn't it? No they haven't withdrawn support the chairman has simply shared his disappointment that there was not an open top bus tour. They haven't supported the club on the issue of the bus tour. Is that a better way of phrasing it for you?
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Post by RD on May 22, 2016 9:01:59 GMT
What Mr Chappell needs to realise is that he is effectively a voice for "us". Once again, his comments do not represent my - or the vast majority of fans views - and I'd rather he didn't run his mouth off in the nature he has. Time to step down in my opinion. Dinsdale sums it up perfectly - if a little too harshly for some. Sorry Roverdrive, but you don't know if he is expressing the majority view or not. Just keep to expressing your own view, as most are extremely sensible. You're right - maybe his views are the majority view. BUT, he cannot know that. And in his position, if he is to publicly put in to print views as strong as he has, then he should really check whether the majority of those he claims to speak for are in support. When I express my view on an internet forum it is entirely that; my view. If however I was the head of an official organisation, linked to the club, I would of course have to give great consideration to what views I aired publicly; that is where my issue lies.
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Post by peterparker on May 22, 2016 9:03:39 GMT
Who thought they carried any clout?. Many of us lets call them the 50 internet warriors as Boycey put it, said years ago the positions were almost pointless, but as you would always be told better to be watering out and all that. There is only so long you can p**s out of the tent when.the others are sh**ting inside it Jim has worked a lot of the years for the SC and deserves credit for the hard work, but it appears the club is reorganising itself in a more professional way. The SCs role is going.to change for sure because of how we are owned. If SH has put the SCs nose out of joint, I hope any disagreements can be talked over Years of the club demanding money from Helpline, The SC disappering and not be used to fill the black hole (if this takeover is as real as it appears) is a good thing. Hopefully any monies raised in future can be better utilised for the supporters and supporters club without the club breathing down their neck We all seen how the previous edit regime dealt with discontent when the official forum was shut down so I am sure the supporters directors had to walk a fine line. As for the money being used for supporters I thought the Idea was that the money raised should help the Football club.
Ok one more reply. What i mean is if the takeover is what we think it is than the money isnt needed like it has in the past. Thus the SCs remit may have to change and what it is under the new ownership
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Post by justin blue on May 22, 2016 9:07:36 GMT
No they haven't withdrawn support the chairman has simply shared his disappointment that there was not an open top bus tour. They haven't supported the club on the issue of the bus tour. Is that a better way of phrasing it for you? Really don't want to nitpick, but it would be correct to say that the chairman of the Supporters club disagreed with the decision.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 22, 2016 9:10:55 GMT
I dunno. If they can support the club through 5 (and more) years of crap, three seasons of near-relegation, then finally a relegation to non-league, huge losses, and stuttering progress on the watertight stadium project, then if as you say their purpose is to SUPPORT (your caps) the club, why do they suddenly withdraw their support (and quite stridently criticise) on such a relatively petty issue as the bus tour? That's what this thread is about, isn't it? No they haven't withdrawn support the chairman has simply shared his disappointment that there was not an open top bus tour. Having read it twice I think JC has gone an hell of a lot further than that, a veiled suggestion it was NH team not Wael's which won promotion, critical of the lack of a bus tour, reference to a "presidential" ride down Glos Rd, which I feel is particularly harsh comment as I doubt Wael asked to be carried down Glos Rd.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 22, 2016 9:12:16 GMT
They haven't supported the club on the issue of the bus tour. Is that a better way of phrasing it for you? Really don't want to nitpick, but it would be correct say that the chairman of the Supporters club disagreed with the decision. Stop nitpicking then. Are you really going to refuse to admit that the SC is not supporting the club on this issue? Surely if they disagreed with it, and went public with this disagreement then they're not supporting it.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 22, 2016 9:15:08 GMT
Really don't want to nitpick, but it would be correct say that the chairman of the Supporters club disagreed with the decision. Stop nitpicking then. Are you really going to refuse to admit that the SC is not supporting the club on this issue? Surely if they disagreed with it, and went public with this disagreement then they're not supporting it. The Supporters Club should support the Club. Not Support the Board. As such at times they will find themselves supporting the board or disagreeing with the board depending on what they feel is in the club's best interest.
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Post by therovers on May 22, 2016 9:15:11 GMT
Lost track of the progress on this thread but... Does the ''Supporters Club'' matter enough? (Genuine question). If it does, then let's get rid of this bloke. Lets force a change. I'd gladly lead some kind of protest against him, as I feel quite strongly, to be honest. (IF it's worth doing??) Soon as he's removed, I'll pay to join UTG! Yes it matters enough and many other Rovers supporters don't share your oppinion. Do they matter? you're his mate then are you? Did you go down Trashton or were you the one who was too scared? Can't blame a gashead for taking serious offence to what he put out there! UTG
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Post by therovers on May 22, 2016 9:18:39 GMT
They haven't supported the club on the issue of the bus tour. Is that a better way of phrasing it for you? Really don't want to nitpick, but it would be correct to say that the chairman of the Supporters club disagreed with the decision. has a pop at Gasheads as being too scared to go to the Derby and now has a pop at the new owners who have given us more hope & more potential than ever before. Anyone would think he doesn't like the Gas! ''If you don't love it, leave it!'' UTG
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 22, 2016 9:21:49 GMT
Stop nitpicking then. Are you really going to refuse to admit that the SC is not supporting the club on this issue? Surely if they disagreed with it, and went public with this disagreement then they're not supporting it. The Supporters Club should support the Club. Not Support the Board. As such at times they will find themselves supporting the board or disagreeing with the board depending on what they feel is in the club's best interest. Of course, and that's what this thread is about. Look at what they have supported (explicitly, or implicitly by keeping quiet) and look at what they haven't supported. Or did everyone at the time think it really was in the club's best interests to get relegated to the Conference and have our watertight stadium plans thrown out of court for being a colander?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 9:24:24 GMT
But to me, the Supporters Club SUPPORT the club which they have been doing. I dunno. If they can support the club through 5 (and more) years of crap, three seasons of near-relegation, then finally a relegation to non-league, huge losses, and stuttering progress on the watertight stadium project, then if as you say their purpose is to SUPPORT (your caps) the club, why do they suddenly withdraw their support (and quite stridently criticise) on such a relatively petty issue as the bus tour? That's what this thread is about, isn't it? You know full well what I mean about supporting the club!! So You are of the opinion the Supporters club Supported Higgs with everything he done? And supported what you wrote above? But completely overlook the day to day in put they do And do for us supporters? This is totally unbelievable, the way people think and twist words to suit. And the reletavely petty issue of the bus tour may not be everyone's opinion.
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