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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 9:26:39 GMT
Stop nitpicking then. Are you really going to refuse to admit that the SC is not supporting the club on this issue? Surely if they disagreed with it, and went public with this disagreement then they're not supporting it. The Supporters Club should support the Club. Not Support the Board. As such at times they will find themselves supporting the board or disagreeing with the board depending on what they feel is in the club's best interest. Thank f**k someone else sees this. I really am done trying to put this across. This is is about the share scheme money AGAIN and a cheap shot at the Supporters Club. Nothing else. Also they went unseen/heared if they did disagree with the board!!
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Post by justin blue on May 22, 2016 9:26:59 GMT
Really don't want to nitpick, but it would be correct say that the chairman of the Supporters club disagreed with the decision. Stop nitpicking then. Are you really going to refuse to admit that the SC is not supporting the club on this issue? Surely if they disagreed with it, and went public with this disagreement then they're not supporting it. It is not a matter of supporting the club on this issue it is simply that the chairman of BRSC does not agree with not having a bus tour and he is not alone in that view. As far as I can see despite this he has accepted the club decision and we move on. I have no problem with anything in the statement and JC has made his position clear.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 9:29:39 GMT
Stop nitpicking then. Are you really going to refuse to admit that the SC is not supporting the club on this issue? Surely if they disagreed with it, and went public with this disagreement then they're not supporting it. It is not a matter of supporting the club on this issue it is simply that the chairman of BRSC does not agree with not having a bus tour and he is not alone in that view. As far as I can see despite this he has accepted the club decision and we move on. I have no problem with anything in the statement and JC has made his position clear. Give in mate. This is not the real issue here. And for 'huggy' to tell you to stop nit picking is more than Ironic!!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 22, 2016 9:30:10 GMT
I dunno. If they can support the club through 5 (and more) years of crap, three seasons of near-relegation, then finally a relegation to non-league, huge losses, and stuttering progress on the watertight stadium project, then if as you say their purpose is to SUPPORT (your caps) the club, why do they suddenly withdraw their support (and quite stridently criticise) on such a relatively petty issue as the bus tour? That's what this thread is about, isn't it? You know full well what I mean about supporting the club!! So You are of the opinion the Supporters club Supported Higgs with everything he done? And supported what you wrote above? But completely overlook the day to day in put they do And do for us supporters? This is totally unbelievable, the way people think and twist words to suit. And the reletavely petty issue of the bus tour may not be everyone's opinion. No, I genuinely didn't know what you meant about supporting the club. I thought we were talking about public shows of approval/disapproval for the state of the club and the direction it was going, etc (eg, the article in the OP). As, I see now, you meant general day to day running support then I don't have a problem with what you said. Apologies. But, well done for accusing me of deliberately twisting stuff instead of genuinely misunderstanding you. EDIT: To be fair though, this whole thread has been about support (in the sense of approval of the board) not support (in the sense of day to day running). No one is disputing the SC support (day to day running) the club, but the thread was raised (if you go back to the OP you can clearly see that) about the support (approval of the board). So, really if anyone has twisted things away from the original meaning of the thread, it's not me.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 22, 2016 9:32:45 GMT
The Supporters Club should support the Club. Not Support the Board. As such at times they will find themselves supporting the board or disagreeing with the board depending on what they feel is in the club's best interest. Of course, and that's what this thread is about. Look at what they have supported (explicitly, or implicitly by keeping quiet) and look at what they haven't supported. Or did everyone at the time think it really was in the club's best interests to get relegated to the Conference and have our watertight stadium plans thrown out of court for being a colander? No, I agree with you but I'm suggesting that maybe the SC felt they were doing the right thing? I don't know how many of you directly asked BSS about this. I did. His reply was along the lines of that he was elected to do the best he could for fans within the framework provided by the club. If he quit he would achieve nothing. (I am paraphrasing to a degree so am happy to be corrected by BSS if he sees fit)
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Post by therovers on May 22, 2016 9:32:51 GMT
Who even is this Chappell bloke. Is his picture available on the SC website or anything?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 22, 2016 9:42:44 GMT
It's also worth noting that some of the people on here have been very long term critics of the role of the SC and their support of the old board.
Every time they voiced these opinions they were hounded out.
Most of us did and said nothing about the SC propping up NH but so many are quick to jump on JC for criticizing the new owners.
I'm not making a point here other than to provide some context.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 9:44:06 GMT
No they haven't withdrawn support the chairman has simply shared his disappointment that there was not an open top bus tour. Having read it twice I think JC has gone an hell of a lot further than that, a veiled suggestion it was NH team not Wael's which won promotion, critical of the lack of a bus tour, reference to a "presidential" ride down Glos Rd, which I feel is particularly harsh comment as I doubt Wael asked to be carried down Glos Rd. If JC had just said that himself and some supporters were disappointed that there wasn't a bus tour, then fair enough. However, it's the other thinly veiled digs that he makes which don't sit well with me.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 22, 2016 9:46:25 GMT
If I were a player I wouldn't want an open bus tour.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 9:51:32 GMT
You know full well what I mean about supporting the club!! So You are of the opinion the Supporters club Supported Higgs with everything he done? And supported what you wrote above? But completely overlook the day to day in put they do And do for us supporters? This is totally unbelievable, the way people think and twist words to suit. And the reletavely petty issue of the bus tour may not be everyone's opinion. No, I genuinely didn't know what you meant about supporting the club. I thought we were talking about public shows of approval/disapproval for the state of the club and the direction it was going, etc (eg, the article in the OP). As, I see now, you meant general day to day running support then I don't have a problem with what you said. Apologies. But, well done for accusing me of deliberately twisting stuff instead of genuinely misunderstanding you. EDIT: To be fair though, this whole thread has been about support (in the sense of approval of the board) not support (in the sense of day to day running). No one is disputing the SC support (day to day running) the club, but the thread was raised (if you go back to the OP you can clearly see that) about the support (approval of the board). So, really if anyone has twisted things away from the original meaning of the thread, it's not me. If you mean I have then I am pleased. Genuinely, because until I brought my way of looking at it into the discussion the Supporters club were being slated!! You could even say that the supporters who walked through the turnstiles at every home game supported the decisions made by Higgs because they supported the club? Madness I know but that's another 'twist to it' ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) .
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 9:53:14 GMT
If I were a player I wouldn't want an open bus tour. Me neither. Thousands if fans clapping and cheering,putting you on a heroes pedalstool. Who in their right minds would want that ??
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Post by gaseous on May 22, 2016 9:57:06 GMT
Spot on, all of this was allowed to go on unquestioned by the Supporters Club and our Fans Directors, no open top bus though and a public display of criticism towards the Chairman. Hypocrisy. I have to say that its pretty difficult to disagree with this. It's somewhat ironic that now the SC have been given freedom to speak freely, they use it to turn on those that set them free from the oppression of the old regime. Whilst I understand the frustration felt by those who give their time freely to support the club I'm not sure a bus parade for finding 3rd is the most pressing matter. I'm more interested in whether our Fans Directors are now more welcome, active and informed. Is there a Plan A. (B,C.....etc) Will the SC and other fans groups continue to apply the same amount of pressure and accountability to the New Owners. Heaven knows Nick Higgs made mistakes, but in my humble opinion so did we in allowing it to go on unchallenged. The team that got us promotion WAS Nicks squad and Nicks manager. That has to be acknowledged. Would we have done it without the boost of new owners? Who knows? Finally, I would say that I hope this is an indication that the SC have finally got some balls and are going to be a proper independent supporters group. One that is willing to challenge the owners and raise issues vocally and publicly. That's a SC I feel I could rejoin. I hope it's not personal and driven by a feud with the Chairman. Yes, the SC should have stood up before instead of being a lap dog to prop up the board but we can't now criticize them for becoming what they should have been all along. Personally the jury is still out for me on the new owners and so it seems on the new SC. However, while I don't agree with Jim on this one I'm glad he is finally speaking out. Very well said.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 22, 2016 9:58:27 GMT
No, I genuinely didn't know what you meant about supporting the club. I thought we were talking about public shows of approval/disapproval for the state of the club and the direction it was going, etc (eg, the article in the OP). As, I see now, you meant general day to day running support then I don't have a problem with what you said. Apologies. But, well done for accusing me of deliberately twisting stuff instead of genuinely misunderstanding you. EDIT: To be fair though, this whole thread has been about support (in the sense of approval of the board) not support (in the sense of day to day running). No one is disputing the SC support (day to day running) the club, but the thread was raised (if you go back to the OP you can clearly see that) about the support (approval of the board). So, really if anyone has twisted things away from the original meaning of the thread, it's not me. If you mean I have then I am pleased. Genuinely, because until I brought my way of looking at it into the discussion the Supporters club were being slated!! You could even say that the supporters who walked through the turnstiles at every home game supported the decisions made by Higgs because they supported the club? Madness I know but that's another 'twist to it' ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) . Don't accuse me of twisting stuff, then say you're glad you twisted stuff. Then put an inane smiley after your post. f**k that noise.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 10:04:30 GMT
It appears you are back tracking slightly! But to me, the Supporters Club SUPPORT the club which they have been doing. Others wanted to drag it to a different direction. They do what they have always done. But some people thought/wanted more. But who says the club is shafting the Supporters Club? It is interesting Eastville that in the past the SC said that it didn't criticise the club (including NH and the Board) because they were a supporters club i.e. support the club. Yet now there is a new Board JC is suddenly criticising the club.... Cheshire, I have read that article three times and see nothing wrong with it. He gives valid reasons why he thinks there should be a celebration tour. Nobody has mentioned anything else he has said! I wonder why? And if No clue Higgs were still chairman and he said there would be no celebration bus tour you and I know full well he would be hung from the tallest tree. Im not going over old ground anymore but if people think they weren't listened to in the past,look out in the future. We may well be better run,that's a given but not much else will change. Apart from the new Ground of course.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 10:06:52 GMT
If you mean I have then I am pleased. Genuinely, because until I brought my way of looking at it into the discussion the Supporters club were being slated!! You could even say that the supporters who walked through the turnstiles at every home game supported the decisions made by Higgs because they supported the club? Madness I know but that's another 'twist to it' ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) . Don't accuse me of twisting stuff, then say you're glad you twisted stuff. Then put an inane smiley after your post. f**k that noise. Well that worked a treat ![:lol:](http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/happy0193.gif) . Not very nice is it?? Don't sound me out if you can't handle what comes back
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 22, 2016 10:13:43 GMT
Don't accuse me of twisting stuff, then say you're glad you twisted stuff. Then put an inane smiley after your post. f**k that noise. Well that worked a treat ![:lol:](http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/happy0193.gif) . Not very nice is it?? Don't sound me out if you can't handle what comes back Erm, again you're just talking nonsense. Bizarro stuff from you, I'm afraid. Not sure what you think I can't handle? Virtual attack from small, yellow, animated, pixelated heads?
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Post by puregas on May 22, 2016 10:14:30 GMT
Firstly, I don't get everybody's obsession with getting involved in the running of or politics of the club. It's a game of football ffs.
Go to the game with your mates or family or whoever, have a few beers or a meal, or whatever your matchday routine is, cheer the boys on and enjoy it.
When people get too involved in the politics, it leads to fallings out, people getting banned, or going on to support other teams instead (all of these have happened).
Let the people who are paid to do their job, do their job, and you get on with yours.
I bet the club don't turn up at your place of work making a bloody nuisance of themselves.
Secondly, I thought the whole open top bus thing had been put to bed, but after the Gloucester Road celebrations, there was absolutely no point in having one. The 700 people quoted, were only those outside the Vic, there were thousands more down the length of the road, right down to the arches.
And guess what, it was open to everybody, and as well as all the usual crowd, there were women, children, and older folk all enjoying it. If you wanted to drink Champagne from the bottle in the middle of the road whilst your mates poured cans of Thatchers on your head, you could, and some did, but if you wanted to have a meal or a coffee outside one of the cafes, and watch the celebrations, and the players come down and get on fans' shoulders, and Wael singing 'we are going up' you could do that too. And people did.
What of the people working on the day? The celebrations outside alone went on until gone 9pm, then continued inside, and there were still people celebrating in Corn Street and Baldwin Street until gone 3am.
The excitement and spontaneity of the whole thing, far outweighed anything a bus tour could offer.
If for some bizarre reason, some felt compelled to go home immediately after the game, don't go whinging when you found out you'd missed something.
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Post by justin blue on May 22, 2016 10:34:47 GMT
Yes it matters enough and many other Rovers supporters don't share your oppinion. Do they matter? you're his mate then are you? Did you go down Trashton or were you the one who was too scared? Can't blame a gashead for taking serious offence to what he put out there! UTG So you haven't got an answer and you want to make it personal while hiding behind your keyboard. What a brave boy you are.
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Post by therovers on May 22, 2016 10:38:02 GMT
you're his mate then are you? Did you go down Trashton or were you the one who was too scared? Can't blame a gashead for taking serious offence to what he put out there! UTG So you haven't got an answer and you want to make it personal while hiding behind your keyboard. What a brave boy you are. sorry? I'm not hiding behind my keyboard. An answer to... Other Gasheads not sharing my opinion? Well... At this early stage of the poll, it seems fairly clear where people stand. Unless you want a landslide result, you'd better vote ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) UTG
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Post by ipswichrover on May 22, 2016 10:44:56 GMT
Much as it pains me to agree with a City fan on otib....an open top bus tour to celebrate pipping Accrington Stanley to third place in the fourth division? I think the club's decision was right.
For better or for worse, the new ownership of the football club will change the relationship with the supporters club. The football club will be more like a normal business and not need to say thank you to a supporters club for bailing it out now and then. Tesco or your local cinema does not have a supporters club to whom they need to explain themselves. When any business gets taken over, there will be groups or individuals who lose out or lose influence. In this new situation, the role of a supporters club should be to give a credible independent voice for supporters. For me, this is a better situation than one where supporters organisations appear to have a real role in running the club but in practice don't have any real influence.
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