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Post by Nortongashead on May 22, 2016 11:33:53 GMT
My take. The supporters club and volunteers has been the lifeblood of the club for years. JC has every right to air his feelings as SC chairmen. What seems strange is lack of communication in the dire times of austerity and failure. I felt a little disappointed when a bus parade was not organised as I have a young family and could not celebrate on the lash on the Gloucester road. The SC needs a complete re-think going forward if it is going to synergise with the owners and chairmen. Perhaps younger generations could have more say as from the outside it seems to be ran by a much older generation.
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Post by pirate49 on May 22, 2016 11:44:39 GMT
We are in uncharted waters. There is a possibility that we could move from being the 'Family Club' ragbag outfit to a well-funded professionally run club. Change can not only bring benefits but also upset. I think we're seeing some of this with the SC. An open bus tour may have been a bit much for securing third place, but we do not enjoy promotion that often, especially in successive seasons. Perhaps a celebration at the Mem with players mingling and signing autographs; with the bar open showing a rerun of the match on screens could have been organised with a little creative thinking. Everything in the garden appears to be hunky dory, and will continue to do so for a while. However life teaches that uncharted waters can become choppy. Will we then tolerate the new regime as much? Businessmen have bought us. Until a few months ago we'd never heard of them. It could have been Gillingham. There is no deep seated lifelong love of Bristol Rovers. The new stadium development will be an opportunity to make money.....that's what businessmen do. Steve Hamer has, amongst other things, a background in the media. He knows what to say and how to say it. Those at Swansea tell conflicting stories of his time there.. I had little time for NH, but in one way what he said to JC rang true in that the new owners, apart from bringing a positive feel, had little impact on the playing side. That was down to DC and the players..... and us fans! Don't get me wrong, I'm excited by what the future MIGHT hold for us. But don't let's get carried away... ....and stay vigilant.
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Post by chippenhamgas on May 22, 2016 12:01:15 GMT
Maybe it's an indication of our new owners' ambitions for us that they don't feel promotion to the league we've spent the majority of our existence playing in warrants an open top bus tour. Who knows what the future holds, we are in unchartered waters, but i'm pretty sure there wouldn't have been anything to celebrate without the takeover as our promotion challenge would have capitulated in the aftermath of the appeal defeat and subsequent speculation of financial implosion.
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Post by knowall on May 22, 2016 12:10:39 GMT
Perhaps the new owners are asking the same question most of us have asked over the years, what the hell does Ken Masters do to warrant a free seat in Box 1??
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Post by Langford Gas on May 22, 2016 12:18:46 GMT
Genuine question; Why does anyone join the supporters club ?
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Post by pirate49 on May 22, 2016 12:20:03 GMT
Perhaps the new owners are asking the same question most of us have asked over the years, what the hell does Ken Masters do to warrant a free seat in Box 1?? He goes on long walks..........but always comes back!
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Post by CheshireGas on May 22, 2016 12:24:29 GMT
It is interesting Eastville that in the past the SC said that it didn't criticise the club (including NH and the Board) because they were a supporters club i.e. support the club. Yet now there is a new Board JC is suddenly criticising the club.... Cheshire, I have read that article three times and see nothing wrong with it. He gives valid reasons why he thinks there should be a celebration tour. Nobody has mentioned anything else he has said! I wonder why? And if No clue Higgs were still chairman and he said there would be no celebration bus tour you and I know full well he would be hung from the tallest tree. Im not going over old ground anymore but if people think they weren't listened to in the past,look out in the future. We may well be better run,that's a given but not much else will change. Apart from the new Ground of course. Eastville, if the old Board was still in place and we had won promotion do you feel there would have been the same feel good atmosphere around the place? We would still be staring down the barrel of a gun with the Wonga style loan, debts rising and Nick becoming more dictatorial. And no investment in what was/is fast becoming a shabby unfit stadium. Would Nick have had the clout to be talking about still building UWE after the Sainsbury defeat. However, if Nick had repaid the Wonga loan himself together with paying off the debt and then we got promotion I am sure he would be lauded as the club's saviour and got as good a reception. He hadn't and didn't intend to pay it off himself and even with promotion we would be staring into the abyss. By the way how do you know "not much else will change"? That's being a bit like JC and assuming you know the new Board will not be listening. Not giving them much chance are we... Bottom line is the new found freedom of expression the new Board have given us is great (i.e. no solicitors threats yet!). JC is of course fully entitled to verbalise his thoughts. However given JC's lack of criticism of the previous Board in spite of relegation to the Conference/National League I just find it odd that he chooses this moment to criticise. Of course other people are perfectly entitled to disagree with him which they have done...
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Post by knowall on May 22, 2016 12:25:15 GMT
spot on, these guys represent the old way, the sh**e way. Lets get some guys involved with 21st century knowhow. I look forward to you standing to run the club. In fact JC has been trying to step aside for some years. I'm sure he would welcome you with open arms. JC expressed a view which was shared by apparently hundreds of people who were asking why no bus tour, and I confess I was among them, on both my and my grandsons behalf. It was a poor decision. It didn't help that Mr Hamer kept giving different reasons for not doing it. Policy on the hoof I think they call it. As for the supporters club now being free to speak their mind, that's laughable, and indeed I believe may have led to this. The S/C directors are no longer welcome in box 1 yet former directors still make themselves known there. There have been no board meetings. There had been no official meeting between the s/c and the chairman to seek how best the s/c can help in ongoing fundraising etc. Basically it sounds like they are being sidelined. I hope I'm wrong. Im sure if it was Wael they were dealing with this would not happen. Sadly Mr Hamer had a similar effect at Swansea, where my cousin was a member of the supporters trust. With regard to travelling on s/c coaches, I too won't go on them. Not because of them, but because the rules governing what they can and can't do with regard to arriving at set times etc at away games cheeses me off, and no alcohol allowed. So I suppose the supporters club are to blame for that as well. But when trains get sorted they always do well. The last one to Norwich was brilliant, and no worries about the time of arrival. Still, we are where we are, and I don't see anything changing in the short term, but just hope that the investment in the playing side we all want will happen. The jury is still out on that one. One last point, if Mr Hamer reads this. Go and talk to the staff behind the scenes. They too feel totally out on a limb. Talk to them and give them some reassurance as to their futures. All the staff I have spoken to all say they are happy and feeling involved with a 'new broom' that speaks to them, that works with them, and treats them with respect which they say has not been the case for several years. Perhaps you are yet again speaking to the one person who could be on his way out?
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Post by Strange Gas on May 22, 2016 12:29:59 GMT
Stop nitpicking then. Are you really going to refuse to admit that the SC is not supporting the club on this issue? Surely if they disagreed with it, and went public with this disagreement then they're not supporting it. The Supporters Club should support the Club. Not Support the Board. As such at times they will find themselves supporting the board or disagreeing with the board depending on what they feel is in the club's best interest. That is why I have always felt it was totally wrong for them to be part of the board. They were always going to be part of the problem, all be it an insignificant minority of it
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Post by baggins on May 22, 2016 12:40:27 GMT
I've made my mind up. Didn't take long. I'm not bothered about any of this.
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Post by mftc on May 22, 2016 13:31:00 GMT
I would have liked to see a tour. I would have liked to see post match celebrations.
I am a SC member but because I went to Kingwood not Glos Rd I missed out and because I was in the South Stand I couldn't see the celebrations on the pitch because of the crowds and the lines of stewards.
Just unlucky i guess, but I am glad the SC chair asked on behalf of people like myself about the tour. I am sure more fans would have wanted to see the tour (estimated 5000 last season) than those who were on Glos Rd.(700). After all didn't he ask on behalf of the MAJORITY of fans?
We don't get to see many promotions and I for one was in a state of shock so it went in a blur. A tour would have given lots of Supporters rather than the lucky few a chance to SEE the players and take it all in.
Re NH wasn't it a direct quote used by NH? HE felt like it was his team. The feel good factor since Wael can't be understated but why can't everyone get some credit (even Cowan Hall & Monkano played a small part.
I can remember John Malitski and Kim Stuckey and other SC committee members disagreed with the old Board but what did that do for us? I am sure there was plenty said to NH but if he didn't listen what else could they do? The Football CLUB were in serious financial problems. If the SC walked away would Wael be here today? probably not as we would still be in the conference without the SC volunteers (think of the cost to pay to replace them) and SC and Helpline funding. Without BSS telling the Board that the majority of fans were behind DC, we could have had the Board listening to popularity views such as "what does Lennie do?" Remember what that lead to!
Still, it should be a good SC AGM with hundreds of people standing who all could do better than the current volunteers! The job spec is good ; get soaked, give up hours of your free time, not get paid, get moaned at for anything that goes wrong oh and get slagged off if people disagree with what you don't say (or people mis-interpret what you say).
To sum up the whole thread, as Shakespeare would say Much Ado About Nothing
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Post by peterparker on May 22, 2016 14:12:32 GMT
I would have liked to see a tour. I would have liked to see post match celebrations. I am a SC member but because I went to Kingwood not Glos Rd I missed out and because I was in the South Stand I couldn't see the celebrations on the pitch because of the crowds and the lines of stewards. Just unlucky i guess, but I am glad the SC chair asked on behalf of people like myself about the tour. I am sure more fans would have wanted to see the tour (estimated 5000 last season) than those who were on Glos Rd.(700). After all didn't he ask on behalf of the MAJORITY of fans? We don't get to see many promotions and I for one was in a state of shock so it went in a blur. A tour would have given lots of Supporters rather than the lucky few a chance to SEE the players and take it all in. Re NH wasn't it a direct quote used by NH? HE felt like it was his team. The feel good factor since Wael can't be understated but why can't everyone get some credit (even Cowan Hall & Monkano played a small part. I can remember John Malitski and Kim Stuckey and other SC committee members disagreed with the old Board but what did that do for us? I am sure there was plenty said to NH but if he didn't listen what else could they do? The Football CLUB were in serious financial problems. If the SC walked away would Wael be here today? probably not as we would still be in the conference without the SC volunteers (think of the cost to pay to replace them) and SC and Helpline funding. Without BSS telling the Board that the majority of fans were behind DC, we could have had the Board listening to popularity views such as "what does Lennie do?" Remember what that lead to! Still, it should be a good SC AGM with hundreds of people standing who all could do better than the current volunteers! The job spec is good ; get soaked, give up hours of your free time, not get paid, get moaned at for anything that goes wrong oh and get slagged off if people disagree with what you don't say (or people mis-interpret what you say). To sum up the whole thread, as Shakespeare would say Much Ado About Nothing Well if you listen to Nick Higgs, Lennoe was the biggest financial diasater to befall BRFC, so not sure what influence the fans had there. I think the point is being missed some what. We suddenly have abit of communication on a Bus Tour of all things. Where is the communication asking The previous board X, Y and Z and geting short shrift if such was the case?
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Post by lpgas on May 22, 2016 14:15:44 GMT
Genuine question; Why does anyone join the supporters club ? Cheap away travel Priority on tickets Discounts on items in shop A sense that you have helped the club in a small way (joining fee) I think it's good for kids to be members as it gives them a sense of "belonging"
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Post by You can call me Al. on May 22, 2016 14:25:35 GMT
I would have liked to see a tour. I would have liked to see post match celebrations. I am a SC member but because I went to Kingwood not Glos Rd I missed out and because I was in the South Stand I couldn't see the celebrations on the pitch because of the crowds and the lines of stewards. Just unlucky i guess, but I am glad the SC chair asked on behalf of people like myself about the tour. I am sure more fans would have wanted to see the tour (estimated 5000 last season) than those who were on Glos Rd.(700). After all didn't he ask on behalf of the MAJORITY of fans? We don't get to see many promotions and I for one was in a state of shock so it went in a blur. A tour would have given lots of Supporters rather than the lucky few a chance to SEE the players and take it all in. Re NH wasn't it a direct quote used by NH? HE felt like it was his team. The feel good factor since Wael can't be understated but why can't everyone get some credit (even Cowan Hall & Monkano played a small part. I can remember John Malitski and Kim Stuckey and other SC committee members disagreed with the old Board but what did that do for us? I am sure there was plenty said to NH but if he didn't listen what else could they do? The Football CLUB were in serious financial problems. If the SC walked away would Wael be here today? probably not as we would still be in the conference without the SC volunteers (think of the cost to pay to replace them) and SC and Helpline funding. Without BSS telling the Board that the majority of fans were behind DC, we could have had the Board listening to popularity views such as "what does Lennie do?" Remember what that lead to! Still, it should be a good SC AGM with hundreds of people standing who all could do better than the current volunteers! The job spec is good ; get soaked, give up hours of your free time, not get paid, get moaned at for anything that goes wrong oh and get slagged off if people disagree with what you don't say (or people mis-interpret what you say). To sum up the whole thread, as Shakespeare would say Much Ado About Nothing Well if you listen to Nick Higgs, Lennoe was the biggest financial diasater to befall BRFC, so not sure what influence the fans had there. I think the point is being missed some what. We suddenly have abit of communication on a Bus Tour of all things. Where is the communication asking The previous board X, Y and Z and geting short shrift if such was the case? I think we get your point by now, you've made it a soddin dozen times! He's moved on (fresh start and all that) and now he's doing what you say he should have been bloody doing before, or are you gonna keep bleating on about the bleedin past just to point score.
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Post by gasincider on May 22, 2016 14:27:46 GMT
Where is the communication asking The previous board X, Y and Z and geting short shrift if such was the case? In the boardroom minutes if Twatola did his job and kept meticulous records. I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 16:15:47 GMT
Genuine question; Why does anyone join the supporters club ? Cheap away travel Priority on tickets Discounts on items in shop A sense that you have helped the club in a small way (joining fee) I think it's good for kids to be members as it gives them a sense of "belonging" Really good point about children,remember the old man taking me down stapleton rd to join and how chuffed I was,a sense of belonging is a good description of how I felt
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 16:30:15 GMT
I would have liked to see a tour. I would have liked to see post match celebrations. I am a SC member but because I went to Kingwood not Glos Rd I missed out and because I was in the South Stand I couldn't see the celebrations on the pitch because of the crowds and the lines of stewards. Just unlucky i guess, but I am glad the SC chair asked on behalf of people like myself about the tour. I am sure more fans would have wanted to see the tour (estimated 5000 last season) than those who were on Glos Rd.(700). After all didn't he ask on behalf of the MAJORITY of fans? We don't get to see many promotions and I for one was in a state of shock so it went in a blur. A tour would have given lots of Supporters rather than the lucky few a chance to SEE the players and take it all in. Re NH wasn't it a direct quote used by NH? HE felt like it was his team. The feel good factor since Wael can't be understated but why can't everyone get some credit (even Cowan Hall & Monkano played a small part. I can remember John Malitski and Kim Stuckey and other SC committee members disagreed with the old Board but what did that do for us? I am sure there was plenty said to NH but if he didn't listen what else could they do? The Football CLUB were in serious financial problems. If the SC walked away would Wael be here today? probably not as we would still be in the conference without the SC volunteers (think of the cost to pay to replace them) and SC and Helpline funding. Without BSS telling the Board that the majority of fans were behind DC, we could have had the Board listening to popularity views such as "what does Lennie do?" Remember what that lead to! Still, it should be a good SC AGM with hundreds of people standing who all could do better than the current volunteers! The job spec is good ; get soaked, give up hours of your free time, not get paid, get moaned at for anything that goes wrong oh and get slagged off if people disagree with what you don't say (or people mis-interpret what you say). To sum up the whole thread, as Shakespeare would say Much Ado About Nothing Paragraph six, Excellent dear man!! That is it in a nut shell.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 16:35:33 GMT
Well that worked a treat . Not very nice is it?? Don't sound me out if you can't handle what comes back Erm, again you're just talking nonsense. Bizarro stuff from you, I'm afraid. Not sure what you think I can't handle? Virtual attack from small, yellow, animated, pixelated heads? Very good mate,made me smile. But don't think they are just any old yellow,animated,pixelated heads! Beware!
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Post by bluegas on May 22, 2016 17:02:56 GMT
The main points buried in this thread seem to be (1) the old board took no notice of supporters; (2) the new board seem to be taking no notice of supporters. No change then - except more money, prospect of a new stadium & progress on the pitch. Hmmm....think I can live with that!
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Post by seanclevedongas on May 22, 2016 17:03:42 GMT
We are in uncharted waters. There is a possibility that we could move from being the 'Family Club' ragbag outfit to a well-funded professionally run club. Change can not only bring benefits but also upset. I think we're seeing some of this with the SC. An open bus tour may have been a bit much for securing third place, but we do not enjoy promotion that often, especially in successive seasons. Perhaps a celebration at the Mem with players mingling and signing autographs; with the bar open showing a rerun of the match on screens could have been organised with a little creative thinking.Everything in the garden appears to be hunky dory, and will continue to do so for a while. However life teaches that uncharted waters can become choppy. Will we then tolerate the new regime as much? Businessmen have bought us. Until a few months ago we'd never heard of them. It could have been Gillingham. There is no deep seated lifelong love of Bristol Rovers. The new stadium development will be an opportunity to make money.....that's what businessmen do. Steve Hamer has, amongst other things, a background in the media. He knows what to say and how to say it. Those at Swansea tell conflicting stories of his time there.. I had little time for NH, but in one way what he said to JC rang true in that the new owners, apart from bringing a positive feel, had little impact on the playing side. That was down to DC and the players..... and us fans! Don't get me wrong, I'm excited by what the future MIGHT hold for us. But don't let's get carried away... ....and stay vigilant. Like the open day then?
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