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Post by stapletongas on Jun 11, 2016 9:11:34 GMT
So, I've been wondering, if this Country elects to leave the EU, how will this affect the English game?
Taking into consideration freedom of movement for employment across the EU, what restrictions will this impose on players being able to come from Europe and play in the English leagues, ie Premier, Championship, League One, League Two?
If there are restrictions, could this begin with the Premier League being affected and then the 3 divisions below being on the end of a domino effect?
Opinions?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 11, 2016 9:33:25 GMT
Istm it would be the same as current non-EU player rules. So instead of 'anyone' being allowed to play, you have to prove their worth, usually by showing they've had a bunch of international caps (which is as ridiculous a method as any).
And, I imagine existing players would be exempt.
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Post by stapletongas on Jun 11, 2016 9:47:02 GMT
Over the Premier League era, my observations have been that the lower divisions have got stronger with better football being played because of the large number of over seas players forcing English/British players into the lower leagues.
I am wondering if an EU exit could see a slow reverse back the other way. If that happens, there could be a number of effects on the English game, pros and cons
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Post by gregsy on Jun 11, 2016 10:00:44 GMT
Over the Premier League era, my observations have been that the lower divisions have got stronger with better football being played because of the large number of over seas players forcing English/British players into the lower leagues. I am wondering if an EU exit could see a slow reverse back the other way. If that happens, there could be a number of effects on the English game, pros and cons before the premier league era?
you mean when English football was at a surprising high, world cup quarters in 86, and semi's in 90.... infact we should have won both under sir bobby....
the premier league 'era' has done quite literally FA....
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 11, 2016 10:08:19 GMT
Over the Premier League era, my observations have been that the lower divisions have got stronger with better football being played because of the large number of over seas players forcing English/British players into the lower leagues. I am wondering if an EU exit could see a slow reverse back the other way. If that happens, there could be a number of effects on the English game, pros and cons before the premier league era?
you mean when English football was at a surprising high, world cup quarters in 86, and semi's in 90.... infact we should have won both under sir bobby....
the premier league 'era' has done quite literally FA....
The OP was referring to the lower leagues not English football generally, given at least 50% of the Premiership squads are now non British players I assume those British player must be playing in the Championship which has a knock on effect lower down the leagues. I do wonder if we had less non British players in the Premiership etc we could return to getting decent transfer fees for the like of MT in the future? Little has been said about this subject in the media but if Brexit leads to less foreign players in the Premiership etc it must be a good move for British players and the English international team?
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Post by gregsy on Jun 11, 2016 10:15:27 GMT
before the premier league era?
you mean when English football was at a surprising high, world cup quarters in 86, and semi's in 90.... infact we should have won both under sir bobby....
the premier league 'era' has done quite literally FA....
The OP was referring to the lower leagues not English football generally, given at least 50% of the Premiership squads are now non British players I assume those British player must be playing in the Championship which has a knock on effect lower down the leagues. I do wonder if we had less non British players in the Premiership etc we could return to getting decent transfer fees for the like of MT in the future? Little has been said about this subject in the media but if Brexit leads to less foreign players in the Premiership etc it must be a good move for British players and the English international team? I agree mate, it's quite a challenging post from the op (which is a great thing)....
thinking of football within the eu in or out debate is quite a different way of thinking compared to the general debate....
it gives me more of a headache than I already had....
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Post by stapletongas on Jun 11, 2016 10:33:16 GMT
Sorry about that, this whole thing just got me thinking though!
Applying all of this to Rovers is tricky for me. I had a hiatus through the 80's until returning to watch Rovers regularly in 1994. This was due to playing local football.
My perceptions though is that the lower leagues and even the Conference are perhaps maybe one division better in standard than 20-30 years ago and maybe this is no coincidence and linked to the over seas players coming into the English game.
If we start to see a reverse trend because of an EU exit, then I have a few questions buzzing in my head.
What will this do to the Premier League both good or bad? Will it help the national team? How will the lower divisions cope with maintaining standards and level of football? Some of those questions raise further questions as off shoots?
I suppose I'm thinking out loud on the hoof, but I think it's a really interesting subject that is Rovers related, albeit one that may become irrelevant if the Country elects to stay in the EU.
Thanks for contributions so far, I'm interested in responses
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Post by cagastrophy on Jun 11, 2016 10:34:29 GMT
The world as changed sufficiently, including the world of football in my opinion that it would make little difference to player movement. It could however effect transfer fees and wages due to the devaluation of the pound, and in the short-term at least, could reduce the number of players coming into the country unless they get higher wages (an excuse perhaps).
On the world of football and adding to what I've said, Spanish/German/French/Italian teams and leagues will still be strong and we would still have to compete both in football and entertainment/expectation terms so the expensive foreign players will still be signed.
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Post by youmadethatup on Jun 11, 2016 11:25:19 GMT
More UK players will be in the top flight so basically league one will resemble conference standard on the whole. However pre overseas dominated top flight football saw English clubs dominate in Europe. Liverpool,aston villa,nottingham forest as examples. 70s and 80s international football was no great thing though for england
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Post by blackthorngas on Jun 11, 2016 11:33:42 GMT
According to Boris we will be playing Aussie rules!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2016 11:54:46 GMT
If we leave the EU, football will be the least of your worries.
The entire system will fall down, anarchy on the streets, your mum and sister will be ravaged by invading Chinese and Russians emboldened by our paltry armed forces and lack of military support from Latvia, Ireland and Portugal.
Gangs of white skinheads will roam the streets beating up Gays and foreigners. Farage will come clean as to the real plan - a military junta, backed by the daily mail and Donald Trump, will bus anyone who can't be traced back to the original Anglo-Saxons to forced labour camps.
The NHS will dissolve and be replaced by a National Hate Service which will infect people with SARS, and Osborne and other white men in suits will drink the blood of the dead in static ritual whilst pouring champagne down the sink.
Everyone will have to work 26 hours per day, sleep will be a thing of the past. We will not be able to negotiate trade deals so imported BMWs will be triple the price. You'll never be allowed to go on holiday as a large wall will be erected around the UK, and airports will close. We will be forced into living in peasant conditions, tilling the land. In fact, we can't do that because British people are too lazy and we won't have the super-race of Eastern Europeans to support us.
:-)
To actually answer the question, when we are out, we can make up our own rules. We can offer anyone we like a visa or settlement so actually we will have the pick of everyone and not a narrow focus on Europeans. I would have thought that was obvious - the whole point of getting out is to start making these laws. Appying euro rules to a post euro era doesn't work. We will have total autonomy and not have to discriminate against Asians, middle eastern folks etc. Good news for Wael and us, gett Mf Jordanian talent will be easier without having to look to a European first.
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Post by You can call me Al. on Jun 11, 2016 12:51:16 GMT
Why should our bleedin clubs find it difficult to gain a work permit for a highly talented Moroccan, Mexican, Nigerian etc but a Belgian, French, German of only average talent is made an easy bloody option. Surely it makes sense to treat everyone equally and let our clubs decide who they want to soddin sign.
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Post by gassince1957 on Jun 11, 2016 12:55:51 GMT
A possible advantage for Rovers and smaller clubs COULD be that the EU free movement rules for players would no longer apply, in other words, players registrations would be "owned" by the clubs who can then decide who they want to sell, when and at what price. The Bosman ruling has been a disaster for the smaller clubs, including Rovers who stand to lose about £1m if MT leaves. In terms of EU players, I think the FIFA international clearance rules would apply so EU players would be subject to the same rules as non-EU players currently are.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 11, 2016 12:56:24 GMT
Why should our bleedin clubs find it difficult to gain a work permit for a highly talented Moroccan, Mexican, Nigerian etc but a Belgian, French, German of only average talent is made an easy bloody option. Surely it makes sense to treat everyone equally and let our clubs decide who they want to soddin sign. Because free movement of people has never been a thing. We have never had it. Part of the achievement of the EU is to get free movement of people within its borders. You won't magically get free movement of people elsewhere, just by leaving the EU. In a similar way if you have a Tesco card and get 5% off low fat yoghurt from Tesco. If you then throw your Tesco card away, you don't magically start getting 5% off low fat yoghurt from Morrisons.
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Post by cagastrophy on Jun 11, 2016 13:35:33 GMT
More UK players will be in the top flight so basically league one will resemble conference standard on the whole. However pre overseas dominated top flight football saw English clubs dominate in Europe. Liverpool,aston villa,nottingham forest as examples. 70s and 80s international football was no great thing though for england But why would there be more UK players if they aren't good enough? I would gamble that culture, media and sport wouldn't get more funding, therefore grassroots will continue to struggle and we will continue to have a deficit of talent in this country, leaving the EU wouldn't magically make us better at football as a nation?!
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Post by mjhgas on Jun 11, 2016 13:42:45 GMT
More importantly will it be the end of the Danish pastry?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 11, 2016 13:45:40 GMT
More importantly will it be the end of the Danish pastry? Or French kissing.
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Post by Big Jock on Jun 11, 2016 13:48:35 GMT
More importantly will it be the end of the Danish pastry? Wees prepared tae offer a straight swap fur our 'Sturgeon'
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Post by lpgas on Jun 11, 2016 14:53:29 GMT
Originally the Premiershit was set up to "help develop the England team" Has it? Well we have "some" first team players, the rest are reserves and youth players. Personally this is another reason why I am voting to leave
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Post by cagastrophy on Jun 11, 2016 15:12:40 GMT
Haha, I'm sure the EU has caused the decline of the England team, not the lack of government funding to public football facilities... The Dutch, Germans, Italians, French, Spanish, Austrians, Swiss, etc do ok!
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