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Post by mftc on Jun 29, 2016 13:19:33 GMT
Under the old regime the marketing dept (sic) was basically just Becky and ad hoc help from Dave Sams, Ian Holtby, (Boycie?) and the girls in the shop.
This is not a dig at any of the staff as they do a great job and have been understaffed since relegation, but when will the club step up a level?
I know Messrs Hamer and Wael are looking at big investment but sometimes the little things matter. The 1883 club may have seen an increase, but is that not due to the natural reaction to two unprecendented seasons of success? I think to not get 100 companies to join is just not very good.
The Welly makes an absolute fortunate off the backs of Rovers yet doesn't put one penny into the club. Depending on your viewpoint they could have killed the club. Why don't their regulars (or the club?) ask them to join the 1883 club (the entry date for the sponsorship draw has gone, but they can still give us the money.
The lack of the end of season party at the mem/bus tour and maybe no Fun Day could deprive the club of tens of thousands of pounds at a time when there is not a lot of cashflow.
The Cardiff game has been announced as kid a quid. Lots of fans have said the club should make this offer more often, but we are again preeching to the converted. Why not get the players to attend schools during the early part of pre season with flyers advertising the game. We need to build up the support now, not suddenly when the UWE is finished. We don't want to appear to believe in the film cliche "if they build it, they will come".
We have done great marketing before. When Helpline started the club arranged for Alan Warboys to come down and give a speech how the fans couldn't let the club die and i know that several players were asked to phone season tickets holders to ask them to join. I know someone who joined because Steve White came round with an application form to his house as he lived less than a mile away.
There must be hundreds of simple ideas like this that could be suggested from the forum alone. It just needs someone with the time and the budget (and authority) at the club to be able to make them happen.
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Post by tommym9 on Jun 29, 2016 13:53:14 GMT
It feels like the new regime are more open to fan ideas I know a few people who have made suggestions and they have been taken on board.
Should we be going through the SLO for these kinds of suggestions or directly to SH?
Incidentally I emailed SH directly about the 'B' teams in the JPT and he replied a few hours later. Always nice to have open lines of communication.
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Post by Dr Gas on Jun 29, 2016 14:03:01 GMT
Under the old regime the marketing dept (sic) was basically just Becky and ad hoc help from Dave Sams, Ian Holtby, (Boycie?) and the girls in the shop. This is not a dig at any of the staff as they do a great job and have been understaffed since relegation, but when will the club step up a level? I know Messrs Hamer and Wael are looking at big investment but sometimes the little things matter. The 1883 club may have seen an increase, but is that not due to the natural reaction to two unprecendented seasons of success? I think to not get 100 companies to join is just not very good. The Welly makes an absolute fortunate off the backs of Rovers yet doesn't put one penny into the club. Depending on your viewpoint they could have killed the club. Why don't their regulars (or the club?) ask them to join the 1883 club (the entry date for the sponsorship draw has gone, but they can still give us the money. The lack of the end of season party at the mem/bus tour and maybe no Fun Day could deprive the club of tens of thousands of pounds at a time when there is not a lot of cashflow. The Cardiff game has been announced as kid a quid. Lots of fans have said the club should make this offer more often, but we are again preeching to the converted. Why not get the players to attend schools during the early part of pre season with flyers advertising the game. We need to build up the support now, not suddenly when the UWE is finished. We don't want to appear to believe in the film cliche "if they build it, they will come". We have done great marketing before. When Helpline started the club arranged for Alan Warboys to come down and give a speech how the fans couldn't let the club die and i know that several players were asked to phone season tickets holders to ask them to join. I know someone who joined because Steve White came round with an application form to his house as he lived less than a mile away. There must be hundreds of simple ideas like this that could be suggested from the forum alone. It just needs someone with the time and the budget (and authority) at the club to be able to make them happen. Have I missed something? Where did you get this from?
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Post by oddsongas on Jun 29, 2016 14:08:26 GMT
Under the old regime the marketing dept (sic) was basically just Becky and ad hoc help from Dave Sams, Ian Holtby, (Boycie?)  and the girls in the shop. This is not a dig at any of the staff as they do a great job and have been understaffed since relegation, but when will the club step up a level? I know Messrs Hamer and Wael are looking at big investment but sometimes the little things matter. The 1883 club may have seen an increase, but is that not due to the natural reaction to two unprecendented seasons of success? I think to not get 100 companies to join is just not very good. The Welly makes an absolute fortunate off the backs of Rovers yet doesn't put one penny into the club. Depending on your viewpoint they could have killed the club. Why don't their regulars (or the club?) ask them to join the 1883 club (the entry date for the sponsorship draw has gone, but they can still give us the money. The lack of the end of season party at the mem/bus tour and maybe no Fun Day could deprive the club of tens of thousands of pounds at a time when there is not a lot of cashflow. The Cardiff game has been announced as kid a quid. Lots of fans have said the club should make this offer more often, but we are again preeching to the converted. Why not get the players to attend schools during the early part of pre season with flyers advertising the game. We need to build up the support now, not suddenly when the UWE is finished. We don't want to appear to believe in the film cliche "if they build it, they will come". We have done great marketing before. When Helpline started the club arranged for Alan Warboys to come down and give a speech how the fans couldn't let the club die and i know that several players were asked to phone season tickets holders to ask them to join. I know someone who joined because Steve White came round with an application form to his house as he lived less than a mile away. There must be hundreds of simple ideas like this that could be suggested from the forum alone. It just needs someone with the time and the budget (and authority) at the club to be able to make them happen. Have I missed something? Where did you get this from? Nothing like making things up to help your argument haha.
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jun 29, 2016 14:10:29 GMT
I understand there will be a fun day but date to be confirmed. (likely to be Sunday before Sabadell)
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Post by Dr Gas on Jun 29, 2016 14:12:30 GMT
Have I missed something? Where did you get this from? Nothing like making things up to help your argument haha. My thought exactly. How to lose credence in one easy move All it does for me is devalue the rest of the author's posts, thoughts, and opinions. I have particular interest in this year's event, as I have two shirts to pick up. I would opine that if there is to be no fun day, I would have been informed of alternative arrangements to collect said shirts?
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Post by Parrot on Jun 29, 2016 14:47:29 GMT
I understand there will be a fun day but date to be confirmed. (likely to be Sunday before Sabadell) Gutted i will miss if its the 24th as i fly out to Sabadell on that morning
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 29, 2016 14:52:19 GMT
I'm sure some Rovers fans are losing the plot over the summer months, as yesterday there was a needless attack about SH & the local media now the club & marketing, all at a time when average gates and season tickets sales are at record levels, what's the point in paying thousands more on marketing when there's no need at present and brick by brick the newowners seems to be slwoly re-building the club anyway?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 15:39:02 GMT
Why does each suggestion have to receive such polar views? Why can't the club be constructively criticised? There's a real lack of middle ground amongst posters for some reason and I'm sure it puts people off.
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Post by oddsongas on Jun 29, 2016 16:01:16 GMT
Why does each suggestion have to receive such polar views? Why can't the club be constructively criticised? There's a real lack of middle ground amongst posters for some reason and I'm sure it puts people off. I understand what you mean. But I always feel when people criticise the club (which is fine if worthy), they over exaggerate to make their point correct?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 16:15:33 GMT
Why does each suggestion have to receive such polar views? Why can't the club be constructively criticised? There's a real lack of middle ground amongst posters for some reason and I'm sure it puts people off. I understand what you mean. But I always feel when people criticise the club (which is fine if worthy), they over exaggerate to make their point correct? Sure, and I guess the over exaggeration is amplified if you see things the other way. For example Hamer wasn't "attacked" yesterday was he? Potentially decent threads aren't being allowed to last as long as they should because people don't seem to be able to debate intelligently. Whether the OPs points are agreed with or not, there are some very debatable points there.
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Post by Dr Gas on Jun 29, 2016 16:31:55 GMT
I understand what you mean. But I always feel when people criticise the club (which is fine if worthy), they over exaggerate to make their point correct? Sure, and I guess the over exaggeration is amplified if you see things the other way. For example Hamer wasn't "attacked" yesterday was he? Potentially decent threads aren't being allowed to last as long as they should because people don't seem to be able to debate intelligently. Whether the OPs points are agreed with or not, there are some very debatable points there. There is criticism and there is scaremongering. Whilst the bus tour is a worthy matter for debate, and has been; the absence of a fun day is a figment of the OP's imagination and as such, in my opinion, scaremongering.
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Post by oddsongas on Jun 29, 2016 16:32:44 GMT
I understand what you mean. But I always feel when people criticise the club (which is fine if worthy), they over exaggerate to make their point correct? Sure, and I guess the over exaggeration is amplified if you see things the other way. For example Hamer wasn't "attacked" yesterday was he? Potentially decent threads aren't being allowed to last as long as they should because people don't seem to be able to debate intelligently. Whether the OPs points are agreed with or not, there are some very debatable points there. Very true. There was many good points in the OP, I just think when people over exaggerate it or make things up to get their point across, it feels less like construction criticism and more like someone who just likes to moan. If you get what I mean haha
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Post by gonzales on Jun 29, 2016 16:51:37 GMT
I don't think we can say mtfc is scaremongering, they've said 'maybe no funday' as at this stage nothing has been confirmed by the club when it would have usually been announced by now.
That being said, regarding the 1883 club which has been going in one guise or another since the late 2000's (I believe?), I'm sure we've never had 100 companies enter?
What is our school presence like the past few seasons? I remember the Gas coming to my school in the early nineties and it was great!
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Post by mftc on Jun 29, 2016 17:14:55 GMT
I used the word maybe - as in, there may or may not be a Fun Day- we don't know yet as nothing confirmed. It was not an attack or scaremongering, its simply I don't know!
Surely good marketing is to say on xx/xx/xxxx there will be an event, so people can plan ahead? At this stage, yes a few forum users are lead to believe it is 24th, but when will it be officially announced?
Don't forget it was only one word in my whole post (maybe!)
re the 1883 club if we have averaged 80 (ish) sponsors as a struggling league 2/conference club, can't it be expected that a club on the up with two promotions in two season for the first time ever, a manager and players wanted by Championship clubs, new owners with new contacts etc be looking to get at least 95-100 sponsors?
I just think even a new part time experienced marketing team member with good contacts to help out will produce big dividends. Bo did wonders at Twerton. Surely there must be someone like him ready to ease into semi- retirement?
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Post by Dr Gas on Jun 29, 2016 17:58:43 GMT
I used the word maybe - as in, there may or may not be a Fun Day- we don't know yet as nothing confirmed. It was not an attack or scaremongering, its simply I don't know! Surely good marketing is to say on xx/xx/xxxx there will be an event, so people can plan ahead? At this stage, yes a few forum users are lead to believe it is 24th, but when will it be officially announced? Don't forget it was only one word in my whole post (maybe!) re the 1883 club if we have averaged 80 (ish) sponsors as a struggling league 2/conference club, can't it be expected that a club on the up with two promotions in two season for the first time ever, a manager and players wanted by Championship clubs, new owners with new contacts etc be looking to get at least 95-100 sponsors? I just think even a new part time experienced marketing team member with good contacts to help out will produce big dividends. Bo did wonders at Twerton. Surely there must be someone like him ready to ease into semi- retirement? Thank you for being so condescending. I know what maybe means. There is always a fun day, so just because you are unaware of the date does not make it unlikely to happen. Indeed, it is more probable that an announcement would have been made if there was not going to be one this year. I stand by my opinion, you have imagined a situation and used it to expand your point, thereby devaluing it.
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Post by oldgas on Jun 29, 2016 18:01:58 GMT
I'm sure some Rovers fans are losing the plot over the summer months, as yesterday there was a needless attack about SH & the local media now the club & marketing, all at a time when average gates and season tickets sales are at record levels, what's the point in paying thousands more on marketing when there's no need at present and brick by brick the newowners seems to be slwoly re-building the club anyway? I'm not losing the plot at all, thank you. I don't happen to think my thread on SH giving everyone his opinion on things not related to Rovers is losing the plot, and I would suggest that he has talked an awful lot about UWE and told us nothing. I seem to remember there were a fair few disappointed members of this forum when the "everyone will want to know what's coming on Monday" teaser turned out to be a damp squib, and a fair few were of the opinion that he should keep his mouth shut until he's got something concrete to say (see what I did there?) For the record, I am 100% supportive of the Al Quadi family, and the board they have put in place. I just wish the chairman would be a little more circumspect and confine himself to telling us about real Rovers developments.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 29, 2016 18:06:46 GMT
Why not just make that suggestion then than make wild suggestions that cancelling the bus tour/open day will cost the club ten of thousands and the Welly could have killed the club?
We've got new shirt manufacturers, started selling Cross Swords etc merchandise in the club shop and upgrading the Mem, so it's not as if the club aren't taking steps to address know issues
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 18:41:34 GMT
Under the old regime the marketing dept (sic) was basically just Becky and ad hoc help from Dave Sams, Ian Holtby, (Boycie?) and the girls in the shop. This is not a dig at any of the staff as they do a great job and have been understaffed since relegation, but when will the club step up a level? I know Messrs Hamer and Wael are looking at big investment but sometimes the little things matter. The 1883 club may have seen an increase, but is that not due to the natural reaction to two unprecendented seasons of success? I think to not get 100 companies to join is just not very good. The Welly makes an absolute fortunate off the backs of Rovers yet doesn't put one penny into the club. Depending on your viewpoint they could have killed the club. Why don't their regulars (or the club?) ask them to join the 1883 club (the entry date for the sponsorship draw has gone, but they can still give us the money. The lack of the end of season party at the mem/bus tour and maybe no Fun Day could deprive the club of tens of thousands of pounds at a time when there is not a lot of cashflow. The Cardiff game has been announced as kid a quid. Lots of fans have said the club should make this offer more often, but we are again preeching to the converted. Why not get the players to attend schools during the early part of pre season with flyers advertising the game. We need to build up the support now, not suddenly when the UWE is finished. We don't want to appear to believe in the film cliche "if they build it, they will come". We have done great marketing before. When Helpline started the club arranged for Alan Warboys to come down and give a speech how the fans couldn't let the club die and i know that several players were asked to phone season tickets holders to ask them to join. I know someone who joined because Steve White came round with an application form to his house as he lived less than a mile away. There must be hundreds of simple ideas like this that could be suggested from the forum alone. It just needs someone with the time and the budget (and authority) at the club to be able to make them happen. " The Wellie makes an absolute fortune off the backs of Rovers and could have killed the club". What an absolute load of tosh! Not including the odd cup game we have 23 days in a 9-10 month period when the Wellie is frequented by Gasheads and then for only a few hours in those days. I would suggest the other 342 days in the calendar year contributes far more to their coffers than 3 or 4 hours on matchdays. I would suggest the club bars and the beer they serve can hardly be called inviting and yet they are over full to busting, make plenty of money towards the clubs bank balance. No wonder some of us choose to drink in the local area. May I suggest one idea to bring in a few more bob for the club. put up a marquee for away supporters with decent beer and food, I feel quite sure it would be well used especially on rainy days while they look forward to getting drowned on the away terrace.
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Post by banjogas on Jun 29, 2016 22:10:23 GMT
Think you will find Ian Holtbury is the clubs commercial and marketing manager, why don't you drop him a line and ask him what he's been doing since boycie was packed off on his three wheeler?
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