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Post by youmadethatup on Aug 20, 2016 9:52:55 GMT
gashead, This season the rules don't really give you the chance to to give the squad a chance because when the transfer window shuts that's it until January and DC will have to live or die by his signing decision. The only good thing we have in our favour is the takeover because I really feel without that we would have been struggling 1) to keep DC 2) to keep the players we have kept 3) to make further signings to carry the sort of squad we need. Its a slightly different position as well to starting life in the Conference in that we don't really have that many players with League 1 experience. There is nothing embarrassing in having an opinion even if it is different to the majority- that's the joy of football. The window will reopen what 16 maybe 20 weeks after it closes at the end of august......it's not closing till 2020 let's not panic too much. Last Christmas Scunthorpe and Barnsley were both down amongst the strugglers they seemed to have done alright come may . The same has been the case for BRFC the last two seasons....it's the end run that makes the real difference. The only table that matters is the one when 46 have been completed by all teams and not even one minute before that point.
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Post by bs9trymer on Aug 20, 2016 10:42:10 GMT
the signings thing is related to our new owner having in theory lots of money. some people including steve k want us to sign genuine championship players which hartley moore lawrence and james are not at least right now. there is no sign of the owner putting the huge amount of money required to get that level of player so dc has to try to improve the squad with lower level players. if higgs was in charge still we would have lost taylor and bodin and i doubt we could have afforded james on loan. To be fair the last board did back DC with cash when he wanted to buy Blissett and Gaffney. DC has been saying since the end of last season that he wanted to make some quality signings,I cant work out why that hasnt happened. I think that the 3 signings that have come in have to be given a chance to show what they can do but I agree with DC that some quality players must be brought in. Lets face it city p1ssed this division 2 seasons ago then struggled because Steve Cotterill didnt strengthen his squad.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 20, 2016 11:46:45 GMT
And this thread is the reason I don't read steves weekly match reports. Kudos for getting to every game mate but your opinions are often so far wide of the mark and you come across as a bit of a plonker half the time. Back to back promotions and questioning the signings? Get a grip and look at theach bigger picture pal. Maybe DC is THAT good that he kept the best players in the conference and signed a whole new squad which was capable of performing in league 1? Leadbitter, James Clarke, Lines, Bodin, Sinclair, Mansell, Montano, Easter, Gosling, Gaffney, Taylor all DC signings who have had a belting couple of seasons and have legendary status for what they have all achieved imo. Add to that the contributions of Monkhouse, Trotman, Blissett, Dawson, Della-Verde. Even balanta had the balls to notch a penalty at Wembley... I can count on one hand the number of flops DC has signed and most of them were on loan and went back! Lawrence, Hartley, James, Moore are yet to show their worth but to judge them (especially the latter 3) already is criminal and only highlights your sporadic and wild range of emotions Steve which often cloud judgement and objectivity. Why am I even having to justify Clarke's signings? Almost every player he signs brings something to the table and 2 promotions on the bounce backs that point up. Get a grip. UTG To be fair to Steve his actual reports are normally spot on but he does slightly cloud then with his own personal views, but at least it makes interesting discussion points rather than just being a match report you can read in the B Post etc. Whilst I don't normally agree with a lot of what he has to say about DC's tactics he does make an interesting point about DC's most recent signings, Gaffney, brilliant on loan/not so brilliant since he signed, followed by Fallon, Lawrence, McBurnie and then this summers 3 signings have hardly hit the heights of LDV & Dawson etc. It would be good to see DC bring in a CM etc who was clearly better than we had i.e. like loanees Gaffney & LDV were, rather than just another squad player. Given we're at best an average Div 1 side at present is really that difficult to bring in players who are better than the present squad, assuming Wael is backing DC with the necessary funds to bring in quality.
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Post by youmadethatup on Aug 20, 2016 11:48:26 GMT
the signings thing is related to our new owner having in theory lots of money. some people including steve k want us to sign genuine championship players which hartley moore lawrence and james are not at least right now. there is no sign of the owner putting the huge amount of money required to get that level of player so dc has to try to improve the squad with lower level players. if higgs was in charge still we would have lost taylor and bodin and i doubt we could have afforded james on loan. To be fair the last board did back DC with cash when he wanted to buy Blissett and Gaffney. DC has been saying since the end of last season that he wanted to make some quality signings,I cant work out why that hasnt happened. I think that the 3 signings that have come in have to be given a chance to show what they can do but I agree with DC that some quality players must be brought in. Lets face it city p1ssed this division 2 seasons ago then struggled because Steve Cotterill didnt strengthen his squad. If last season...say January....DC had got Hartley in from then high flying Plymouth at the time that would have been a major signing. Signing the other two from league one sides would also have been seen as positive signings.Signings to improve the squad for sure ,now 3 games into a season the signings are not seen as good enough....strange.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 11:53:55 GMT
To be fair the last board did back DC with cash when he wanted to buy Blissett and Gaffney. DC has been saying since the end of last season that he wanted to make some quality signings,I cant work out why that hasnt happened. I think that the 3 signings that have come in have to be given a chance to show what they can do but I agree with DC that some quality players must be brought in. Lets face it city p1ssed this division 2 seasons ago then struggled because Steve Cotterill didnt strengthen his squad. If last season...say January....DC had got Hartley in from then high flying Plymouth at the time that would have been a major signing. Signing the other two from league one sides would also have been seen as positive signings.Signings to improve the squad for sure ,now 3 games into a season the signings are not seen as good enough....strange. To be fair, in January we were playing in a completely different division, a much worse division imo. When you get promotion your sights should be set that much higher when buying players. Ive no doubt all 3 would have been good additions in L2, but the jury is still out on whether they can get us challenging in L1. In short I would like to see some signings to show our intentions.
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Post by youmadethatup on Aug 20, 2016 12:06:01 GMT
If last season...say January....DC had got Hartley in from then high flying Plymouth at the time that would have been a major signing. Signing the other two from league one sides would also have been seen as positive signings.Signings to improve the squad for sure ,now 3 games into a season the signings are not seen as good enough....strange. To be fair, in January we were playing in a completely different division, a much worse division imo. When you get promotion your sights should be set that much higher when buying players. Ive no doubt all 3 would have been good additions in L2, but the jury is still out on whether they can get us challenging in L1. In short I would like to see some signings to show our intentions. BRFC have very little to offer players except wages....so what's the draw to get "top" players ? Cherry picking from some of the teams who just missed out on promotion and fringe players from other league one clubs are probably all that's available...except the overseas market. How do you persuade a first choice Millwall player to leave the new den to come to the mem at the current time ? Double his wages ?.....that's not a sustainable future is it
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Post by bs9trymer on Aug 20, 2016 12:21:13 GMT
To be fair the last board did back DC with cash when he wanted to buy Blissett and Gaffney. DC has been saying since the end of last season that he wanted to make some quality signings,I cant work out why that hasnt happened. I think that the 3 signings that have come in have to be given a chance to show what they can do but I agree with DC that some quality players must be brought in. Lets face it city p1ssed this division 2 seasons ago then struggled because Steve Cotterill didnt strengthen his squad. If last season...say January....DC had got Hartley in from then high flying Plymouth at the time that would have been a major signing. Signing the other two from league one sides would also have been seen as positive signings.Signings to improve the squad for sure ,now 3 games into a season the signings are not seen as good enough....strange. Hang on I said that the 3 signings should be given a chance,I didnt say they arent good enough,I have only seen Hartley play once so far at Scunthorpe so I cant judge how good they are. DC wants 2 or 3 quality signings and I agree with him,a central midfielder ( maybe 2) better than whats already here or whats the point in bringing them in ? I also think a goalkeeper,centre forward and a left sided defender as cover, the centre forward and goalkkeper again have to be better than Mildenhall or Gaffney /Harrison .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 12:22:41 GMT
What about promising young players from premiership clubs? The 'teds seem to have done pretty well with the Chelsea lad, Dan Crowley is a very decent player at Oxford from Arsenal.
Youngsters aside, Gills and Southend have managed to attract high profile players, why cant we?
Walsall apparently signed a player for £300k....yes Walsall!
Apart from a debt which we dont know where its gone, Wael has showed nothing in my eyes that he is taking this club any more forward than Higgs. I'd have expected to see some tangible evidence by now of his wealth but not a sausage.
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Post by rambo on Aug 20, 2016 12:25:55 GMT
And this thread is the reason I don't read steves weekly match reports. Kudos for getting to every game mate but your opinions are often so far wide of the mark and you come across as a bit of a plonker half the time. Back to back promotions and questioning the signings? Get a grip and look at theach bigger picture pal. Maybe DC is THAT good that he kept the best players in the conference and signed a whole new squad which was capable of performing in league 1? Leadbitter, James Clarke, Lines, Bodin, Sinclair, Mansell, Montano, Easter, Gosling, Gaffney, Taylor all DC signings who have had a belting couple of seasons and have legendary status for what they have all achieved imo. Add to that the contributions of Monkhouse, Trotman, Blissett, Dawson, Della-Verde. Even balanta had the balls to notch a penalty at Wembley... I can count on one hand the number of flops DC has signed and most of them were on loan and went back! Lawrence, Hartley, James, Moore are yet to show their worth but to judge them (especially the latter 3) already is criminal and only highlights your sporadic and wild range of emotions Steve which often cloud judgement and objectivity. Why am I even having to justify Clarke's signings? Almost every player he signs brings something to the table and 2 promotions on the bounce backs that point up. Get a grip. UTG To be fair to Steve his actual reports are normally spot on but he does slightly cloud then with his own personal views, but at least it makes interesting discussion points rather than just being a match report you can read in the B Post etc. Whilst I don't normally agree with a lot of what he has to say about DC's tactics he does make an interesting point about DC's most recent signings, Gaffney, brilliant on loan/not so brilliant since he signed, followed by Fallon, Lawrence, McBurnie and then this summers 3 signings have hardly hit the heights of LDV & Dawson etc. It would be good to see DC bring in a CM etc who was clearly better than we had i.e. like loanees Gaffney & LDV were, rather than just another squad player. Given we're at best an average Div 1 side at present is really that difficult to bring in players who are better than the present squad, assuming Wael is backing DC with the necessary funds to bring in quality. Yeah maybe I'm being harsh on Steve... i just find it hard to take a lot of what he says seriously when it's doom and gloom if we lose and we're the best team in the world when we win. With regards Fallon and McBurnie, they came in at a time when Taylor and Gaffney really hit some form and with Harrison and Easter lurking in the background they hardly got a sniff. I think McBurnie could've done ok but never got player. And Fallon seemed to be here partly for his experience around the squad and it never quite worked out. I think DC is probably willing to take a gamble on loan/short term players as we're not tied down hence these players not always coming off. Most of his permanent signings have been spot on. On the flip side Gaffney turned out to be a great signing and Lawrence could still yet. I don't get the Gaffney critics to be honest. He's only started 2 out of 4 this season, can't comment on scunthorpe as I wasn't there but I am one of the few who thought he did alright against Oxford. Just an odd time to bring up this thread after 4 decent performances, back to back promotions and 2 weeks into the season!
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Post by youmadethatup on Aug 20, 2016 12:26:42 GMT
If last season...say January....DC had got Hartley in from then high flying Plymouth at the time that would have been a major signing. Signing the other two from league one sides would also have been seen as positive signings.Signings to improve the squad for sure ,now 3 games into a season the signings are not seen as good enough....strange. Hang on I said that the 3 signings should be given a chance,I didnt say they arent good enough,I have only seen Hartley play once so far at Scunthorpe so I cant judge how good they are. DC wants 2 or 3 quality signings and I agree with him,a central midfielder ( maybe 2) better than whats already here or whats the point in bringing them in ? I also think a goalkeeper,centre forward and a left sided defender as cover, the centre forward and goalkkeper again have to be better than Mildenhall or Gaffney /Harrison . I'm sorry...it was a generalisation of what several people have implied....just used the reply to your post as the conduit. I think most people are now of the opinion the squad are good enough as a basic squad and new players need to either oust current first teamers or be young players with great potential.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 20, 2016 12:32:40 GMT
I understand what Steve is saying and he makes lots of good points. With the change in loan rules this season we have to do all our business in August or wait until January which DC has done. I seem to remember posters saying we needed a CH. a midfielder and a forward which is what DC has done. To answer the op Bodin, Montano were both improvements on what we had before and I can't quite understand the questions over Hartley. I have seen all his matches and he's solid and reliable. Posters have talked about cover and that's what DC has done so I'm fairly pleased about what he's done. Hope we get a midfielder in who is better than what we've got and who will fit in. But for James, Moore and Hartley they will play and get their chances as the season goes on but we have to be patient. I guess the way DC goes about building a team is different from how many other managers do it. They go out and sign a lot and then build a team whereas DC knows what he wants and is patient enough to wait to get exactly what he wants. The success over the past two years has given him the right to do it his way. Socrates was right DC goes about building a team like Bert Tann, Bill Dodgin and Gerry F did, gradually. But in today's instant world some people want it now without the wait. It's boring I know but in DC we trust! For those people of a more vintage age and who have seen Rovers over 50 years or more the way DC does it is full of common sense. But hey it's all about opinions. I suspect 3 points this afternoon will change things as will 0 points!! Whatever, UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 12:32:51 GMT
Hang on I said that the 3 signings should be given a chance,I didnt say they arent good enough,I have only seen Hartley play once so far at Scunthorpe so I cant judge how good they are. DC wants 2 or 3 quality signings and I agree with him,a central midfielder ( maybe 2) better than whats already here or whats the point in bringing them in ? I also think a goalkeeper,centre forward and a left sided defender as cover, the centre forward and goalkkeper again have to be better than Mildenhall or Gaffney /Harrison . I'm sorry...it was a generalisation of what several people have implied....just used the reply to your post as the conduit. I think most people are now of the opinion the squad are good enough as a basic squad and new players need to either oust current first teamers or be young players with great potential. Are we good enough as we are though? so far in the league we have just managed to beat a poor Oxford side and almost gifted them a point as well. I guess its only 3 games and nobody has embarrassed us yet but the fact is we've already lost 2 games and even the very top teams look to improve.
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Post by bs9trymer on Aug 20, 2016 12:37:50 GMT
Hang on I said that the 3 signings should be given a chance,I didnt say they arent good enough,I have only seen Hartley play once so far at Scunthorpe so I cant judge how good they are. DC wants 2 or 3 quality signings and I agree with him,a central midfielder ( maybe 2) better than whats already here or whats the point in bringing them in ? I also think a goalkeeper,centre forward and a left sided defender as cover, the centre forward and goalkkeper again have to be better than Mildenhall or Gaffney /Harrison . I'm sorry...it was a generalisation of what several people have implied....just used the reply to your post as the conduit. I think most people are now of the opinion the squad are good enough as a basic squad and new players need to either oust current first teamers or be young players with great potential. I still think that Rovers could do worse than look at players in Spain,I went to Sabadell 2 years ago and I was very impressed with the ball control,passing and general football ability of the players I saw,that was Spanish division 2 and we were told that the players were on about half the wages of Rovers players in the Conference (how true that is I dont know) so getting one to come here shouldnt be to difficult. I think the squad is ok (apart from missing cover on the left side of defence ) and with the right 2 or 3 signings they could really challenge in this division..
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Post by youmadethatup on Aug 20, 2016 12:39:29 GMT
I'm sorry...it was a generalisation of what several people have implied....just used the reply to your post as the conduit. I think most people are now of the opinion the squad are good enough as a basic squad and new players need to either oust current first teamers or be young players with great potential. Are we good enough as we are though? so far in the league we have just managed to beat a poor Oxford side and almost gifted them a point as well. I guess its only 3 games and nobody has embarrassed us yet but the fact is we've already lost 2 games and even the very top teams look to improve. I am looking at the fact some of these same conversations were happening last season . It just seems the dc way......have a poor preseason.sign a couple of players let a couple go......start off a bit shaky either losing most home games or most away games.....mould the squad into a unit that can stop other teams scoring many goals and also create lots of chances....mid season add a few players to freshen things up....start being consistent.....finish season well. So far the only difference is more players coming in....
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Post by mftc on Aug 20, 2016 12:50:21 GMT
Time is a good indication - imagine this post if it was done exactly two years ago - what would people think of Taylor? DC did his research and knew his strong mental character. He missed siters but had faith in his ability. He knew you had to get in the position to score and look what happens.His ocnfidence is high and he has come on leaps and bounds and fair play to him.
Some players ae better in their second season or after a period of getting used to their new surroundings - Hinton, even Lambert etc.
Dc is exceeding my expectations. if ANY manager had signed 2 really good players, 4 above average, 2 ok and only 2 poor players, out of every ten then then are doing a great job.
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Post by peterparker on Aug 20, 2016 13:03:43 GMT
Steve match reports are quite good and are a good talking point.
Sometes though you can over analyse.
Steve has alrrady brought up the issue of captaincy a couple of times to which i say again why do so many put so much emphasis on who wears a bit of cloth on their arm.
As for signings, i think they all need to bed into DC philosophy and he only wants to sign those that fit in Those expecting, wanting DC to buy or bring in better. We all want better but doesnt mean they will fit in the dressing room
James has been brougt in to get his career back on track. Not had much chance yet but presambly hungry and is young. Isnt Moore injured.
Hartley looks useful. More mobile than Parkes/McChrytal and a talker.
Early days and hopefully new signings will boost the squad.
People criticise re-signing Gos to just loan him out, but better to have him here and look for better than to not keep him and find no one. I guess him going means someone is lined up or Moore will be back
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 20, 2016 15:07:33 GMT
Time is a good indication - imagine this post if it was done exactly two years ago - what would people think of Taylor? DC did his research and knew his strong mental character. He missed siters but had faith in his ability. He knew you had to get in the position to score and look what happens.His ocnfidence is high and he has come on leaps and bounds and fair play to him. Some players ae better in their second season or after a period of getting used to their new surroundings - Hinton, even Lambert etc. Dc is exceeding my expectations. if ANY manager had signed 2 really good players, 4 above average, 2 ok and only 2 poor players, out of every ten then then are doing a great job. From memory the likes of Taylor and Monkhouse were starting in the Conference, plus Bodin last season, however, James & Moore seem nowhere near making the starting 11, bar Hartley this summer's signings so far look more like squad players not first 11 players. If we are to improve then surely we need better players than last season's Div 2 players?
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Post by rambo on Aug 20, 2016 15:26:09 GMT
Time is a good indication - imagine this post if it was done exactly two years ago - what would people think of Taylor? DC did his research and knew his strong mental character. He missed siters but had faith in his ability. He knew you had to get in the position to score and look what happens.His ocnfidence is high and he has come on leaps and bounds and fair play to him. Some players ae better in their second season or after a period of getting used to their new surroundings - Hinton, even Lambert etc. Dc is exceeding my expectations. if ANY manager had signed 2 really good players, 4 above average, 2 ok and only 2 poor players, out of every ten then then are doing a great job. From memory the likes of Taylor and Monkhouse were starting in the Conference, plus Bodin last season, however, James & Moore seem nowhere near making the starting 11, bar Hartley this summer's signings so far look more like squad players not first 11 players. If we are to improve then surely we need better players than last season's Div 2 players? I thought Moore looked good against Villa in pre season and we've only played 4-4-2 once so he wouldn't have had a look in regardless. Plus he's been injured (presumably) as he's not been making the bench so very harsh to criticise him. Hartley has settled in well too like you say. And we might well sign two or three more yet. Only Bodin slotted straight in last season from memory? James Clarke and Montano took time to settle and Gaffney/Lawrence came later in the season. Very similar theme this season if you ask me...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 16:49:53 GMT
so youve already judged lawrence james hartley and moore and thrown them in the bin then? your pathetic imo Calm down tough guy, you might hurt my feelings in a minute i should have just made my point without the "your pathetic imo" there was no need for me to add that. so basically im SORRY as it was rude and not needed
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Post by I Voted For Kodos on Aug 20, 2016 16:54:55 GMT
From memory the likes of Taylor and Monkhouse were starting in the Conference, plus Bodin last season, however, James & Moore seem nowhere near making the starting 11, bar Hartley this summer's signings so far look more like squad players not first 11 players. If we are to improve then surely we need better players than last season's Div 2 players? I thought Moore looked good against Villa in pre season and we've only played 4-4-2 once so he wouldn't have had a look in regardless. Plus he's been injured (presumably) as he's not been making the bench so very harsh to criticise him. Hartley has settled in well too like you say. And we might well sign two or three more yet. Only Bodin slotted straight in last season from memory? James Clarke and Montano took time to settle and Gaffney/Lawrence came later in the season. Very similar theme this season if you ask me... Actually Bodin made only 45 minutes worth of sub appearances in the opening 7 games. Montano started the first game but then didn't start again until Carlisle which was the 16th game of the season. James Clarke started the first 11 games and was MotM in the first two games.
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