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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 23:45:05 GMT
with the spate of recent signings maybe we need to loan out surplus players? lucas,puddy,mcchrystal,lawrence,broom and maybe more? i was thinking maybe a club like eastleigh would be a good fit,,what do others think?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 0:04:31 GMT
I would like to see more of Lucas and Broom if im honest, both around 20 and should be knocking on the 1st team door.
I fear as in most cases with the younger players they will soon disappear into non league oblivion which is a shame but the coaching staff and manager see them every day so you have to trust them.
Puddy should definitely get some game time somewhere now we have Kelle, but why would anyone want to loan him?
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Post by socrates on Aug 27, 2016 0:06:08 GMT
There's bound to be a couple go out on loan but with the new loan system I'd imagine we need three keepers just in case ? It's a crap situation if your third choice though, unless it doesn't apply to keepers ?
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Post by socrates on Aug 27, 2016 0:08:56 GMT
I would like to see more of Lucas and Broom if im honest, both around 20 and should be knocking on the 1st team door. I fear as in most cases with the younger players they will soon disappear into non league oblivion which is a shame but the coaching staff and manager see them every day so you have to trust them. Puddy should definitely get some game time somewhere now we have Kelle, but why would anyone want to loan him? Puddy was his clubs player of the season in his last full season playing which was in the conference at Salisbury and he played in the second half of a very successful season with us in the conference the following season. He won't be unheard of to lower league and conference managers and I'd imagine some would be interested.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 0:20:28 GMT
I would like to see more of Lucas and Broom if im honest, both around 20 and should be knocking on the 1st team door. I fear as in most cases with the younger players they will soon disappear into non league oblivion which is a shame but the coaching staff and manager see them every day so you have to trust them. Puddy should definitely get some game time somewhere now we have Kelle, but why would anyone want to loan him? Puddy was his clubs player of the season in his last full season playing which was in the conference at Salisbury and he played in the second half of a very successful season with us in the conference the following season. He won't be unheard of to lower league and conference managers and I'd imagine some would be interested. Maybe but what good is it to our players being loaned out to conference clubs? Lucas goes out, scores plenty of goals and still doesnt get a look in. Personally I wouldn't loan anyone out to any club lower than L2 currently. Exeter seem a good model for bringing on younger players, Grimes already moved on for big money, Ampadu playing at 15 and Olly Watkins becoming a regular and scoring goals.
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 27, 2016 0:21:45 GMT
You cannot afford to loan too many out because you cannot recall them and you have to keep a squad of 18 each week so if you say that most weeks you will have on average two injuries then that is 20 players required at least. This is why I really cannot see the point of clubs like us running an academy scheme because it is all weighed in favour of the top teams and we can just go out and get the players required. We don't really now have room in the squad for your Lucas's , Greenslade,Kilgour,Lyttle etc. I just cannot see how this new Loan system helps either the lower clubs or the footballers that can't get a regular game but have to be kept by the clubs for the "rainy day". Utter nonsence from the ruling bodies and will help put some Lower clubs out of business.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 27, 2016 6:14:17 GMT
You cannot afford to loan too many out because you cannot recall them and you have to keep a squad of 18 each week so if you say that most weeks you will have on average two injuries then that is 20 players required at least. This is why I really cannot see the point of clubs like us running an academy scheme because it is all weighed in favour of the top teams and we can just go out and get the players required. We don't really now have room in the squad for your Lucas's , Greenslade,Kilgour,Lyttle etc. I just cannot see how this new Loan system helps either the lower clubs or the footballers that can't get a regular game but have to be kept by the clubs for the "rainy day". Utter nonsence from the ruling bodies and will help put some Lower clubs out of business. I thought we had regularly Academy games this season so the younger players should get game time, plus there's the EFL Trophy games coming up, I'd have thought a team like Rovers could benefit from the new system, smaller Div 1 club's could find it a struggle? Although surely Puddy could benefit from 6 months competitive games after missing all of last season. Lawrence must surely be considered a 1st team squad player if he ever gets fit.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 27, 2016 7:05:07 GMT
I would like to see more of Lucas and Broom if im honest, both around 20 and should be knocking on the 1st team door. I fear as in most cases with the younger players they will soon disappear into non league oblivion which is a shame but the coaching staff and manager see them every day so you have to trust them. Puddy should definitely get some game time somewhere now we have Kelle, but why would anyone want to loan him? Jesus, give Broom a chance. Sounds like you're almost writing him off if he can't break through now. He's only 19!
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Post by kruger on Aug 27, 2016 7:11:54 GMT
Hope he put Broom in on Tuesday
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Post by beaver132 on Aug 27, 2016 7:30:31 GMT
I would like to see more of Lucas and Broom if im honest, both around 20 and should be knocking on the 1st team door. I fear as in most cases with the younger players they will soon disappear into non league oblivion which is a shame but the coaching staff and manager see them every day so you have to trust them. Puddy should definitely get some game time somewhere now we have Kelle, but why would anyone want to loan him? Jesus, give Broom a chance. Sounds like you're almost writing him off if he can't break through now. He's only 19! Terrible shame if Broom went. He is class waiting to shine. IMO
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Post by horseshoegas47 on Aug 27, 2016 7:33:10 GMT
I think it is essential any club has a youth system and enables them to bring through the likes of Lockyer, Clarke, Lines, Harrison. Along the way we will also unearth players like Macey, Wilson and Santos that will be sold to other clubs generating revenue. We need to give these home grown players time and support, whilst you will get some exceptions most young pros don't really start making an impact until they are circa 21, the likes of Broom who looked sharp in preseason and full of promise is 19, some managers would give him a go now I think Darrell more cautious with the youngsters. With many more reserve games this year theses players will get more game time but I agree some will benefit from going out on loan and playing more competitive football where points are at stake. Of the current crop Broom (19), Malpas (18) and Kilgour (18) look promising, we saw a lot of Broom and Kilgour preseason but unfortunately Malpas got injured and required surgery after the Weston game, hopefully he will be back soon. I thought Greenslade (20) also had a decent preseason but would suggest at 20 he now needs to get out on loan to a National Premier league level club. The big mystery to me is Lucas (21) he was previously highly rated, did well out on loan but didn't feature much at all pre season and when he did he looked a shadow of himself.
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Post by paulpirate on Aug 27, 2016 7:39:29 GMT
I would like to see more of Lucas and Broom if im honest, both around 20 and should be knocking on the 1st team door. I fear as in most cases with the younger players they will soon disappear into non league oblivion which is a shame but the coaching staff and manager see them every day so you have to trust them. Puddy should definitely get some game time somewhere now we have Kelle, but why would anyone want to loan him? thats a bit harsh isn't it? What makes him so bad?
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Post by rambo on Aug 27, 2016 7:45:31 GMT
Must be great but also very tough for the younger players being promoted twice on the spin. At the end of the day, we are progressing each season at a decent rate and improving the squad each time. The young lads not only have to try and break into the first team, but do it two levels above where they needed to initially!
I have no doubts we'd have seen more of Lucas, Broom etc had we stayed in the conference/league 1.
I'm not writing any of the lads off, don't get me wrong. But it's common sense to assume that more than most, if not all, won't make it with us because league 1 is a solid league to step into for them. Having said that, I hope Broom can develop and become a good player for us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 9:15:27 GMT
I would like to see more of Lucas and Broom if im honest, both around 20 and should be knocking on the 1st team door. I fear as in most cases with the younger players they will soon disappear into non league oblivion which is a shame but the coaching staff and manager see them every day so you have to trust them. Puddy should definitely get some game time somewhere now we have Kelle, but why would anyone want to loan him? thats a bit harsh isn't it? What makes him so bad? He hasnt done anything bad but hasnt had had any gametime since we have been back in the league
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Post by simon1883 on Aug 27, 2016 12:03:44 GMT
Jesus, give Broom a chance. Sounds like you're almost writing him off if he can't break through now. He's only 19! Terrible shame if Broom went. He is class waiting to shine. IMO He's one of the few that I can see progressing. He's got pace and likes to get the ball in / take early shots.
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Post by markczgas on Aug 27, 2016 12:23:51 GMT
I don't think that many will go on loan - we have reserve fixtures this season, albeit about 1 a month. Broom has made the bench this season so he must figure in DC's plans.
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Post by CrispPusher on Aug 27, 2016 13:15:30 GMT
With a side in a reserve league again and as pointed out above we need a larger squad with the elimination of the emergency loan windows, there is no real need to loan everybody out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 22:11:16 GMT
I would like to see more of Lucas and Broom if im honest, both around 20 and should be knocking on the 1st team door. I fear as in most cases with the younger players they will soon disappear into non league oblivion which is a shame but the coaching staff and manager see them every day so you have to trust them. Puddy should definitely get some game time somewhere now we have Kelle, but why would anyone want to loan him? Jesus, give Broom a chance. Sounds like you're almost writing him off if he can't break through now. He's only 19! Think you misunderstood, I rate Broom but even at 19 (20 next month) he should be featuring more or I fear he will end up playing for Mangos or similar. Ampadu is just 15 and he is starting to feature at Exeter, 19 is quite old to have hardly played a game these days.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 28, 2016 5:35:06 GMT
Jesus, give Broom a chance. Sounds like you're almost writing him off if he can't break through now. He's only 19! Think you misunderstood, I rate Broom but even at 19 (20 next month) he should be featuring more or I fear he will end up playing for Mangos or similar. Ampadu is just 15 and he is starting to feature at Exeter, 19 is quite old to have hardly played a game these days.15 is ridiculously young though! Players come through at different ages, for him to even be on the fringe of the squad with how well we have been doing is testament to the potential he has. For me it's not so much about age but if they are progressing. And having seen Broom in pre season, he looked to me a player that is progressing compared to a year ago. I can't imagine Ollie Clarke had played many games by 19?
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Post by William Wilson on Aug 28, 2016 8:34:54 GMT
with the spate of recent signings maybe we need to loan out surplus players? lucas,puddy,mcchrystal,lawrence,broom and maybe more? i was thinking maybe a club like eastleigh would be a good fit,,what do others think? Not sure about McChrystal, but some players could be loaned out without weakening our set up. Have we ever had a midfielder who gives the ball away, as depressingly regularly as Ollie Clarke? Even in pre match warm ups, I watch him to see if he gives the ball to the opposition. I`d be more than happy to see him loaned out, and a competent midfielder brought in, in his place. I think that a loan to Eastleigh would be ideal.
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