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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 10:46:21 GMT
a real challenge for dc to work with such a big squad,ideally we would have 21 senior pros and a thriving youth academy so it will be interesting to see if the new regime can build a top class academy in the near future. the rule changes on loans has highlighted the need to have academy players capable of stepping up for at least short periods. although were lucky compared to other clubs in that our owner has sanctioned so many signings,we can only put 11 players on the pitch and i do worry we will lose that close knit fighting team spirit so evident in dc teams.
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Post by lpgas on Sept 1, 2016 11:06:50 GMT
Players that wont play again this season. Puddy: Lawrence: Mansell: Mc Crystal: Players that will only play bit parts: Mildenhall: Sinclair: Subs Bench: Ollie Clarke: Luke James: Byron Moore: Bodin: Montano: Easter:
Well until Christmas anyway
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Post by tommym9 on Sept 1, 2016 11:12:44 GMT
We need a big squad due to the changes to the loan system so I disagree that it's too big.
Ideally we would have our own academy players coming through but if we haven't I'll happily take a couple of Chelseas!
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Post by philbemmygas on Sept 1, 2016 11:21:16 GMT
We have also entered the reserve league this season, so keeping players match fit will be easier.
Personally I think the squad is a decent size for the challenges ahead, a few injuries and the odd suspension we have covered.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Sept 1, 2016 11:31:55 GMT
DC knows what he's doing. Squad harmony is high in his priorities.
With all of last years players getting contract offers, was always going to have to be a bigger squad or lacking quality this season.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 1, 2016 12:05:50 GMT
I thought we now had regular reserve games this season, if so, that should keep players active? But if players are unhappy not playing 1st team football then they need to step up a gear or two?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 12:12:18 GMT
Squads too big?! Bloody heck.
I didn't forsee a negative coming from our fairly positive transfer activity.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Sept 1, 2016 12:24:50 GMT
Firstly not sure what squad size is right given the changes in loan signings. Secondly if it is too large a squad then partly DC has caused this himself by promising all the first team squad last year a new contract, I understand why he did that but it still tied his hands in getting rid of players who aren't good enough or are not going to play at this level.
Either way as the OP says it will now be a test for DC as undoubtedly a lot of our success has been due to team (or more accurately squad) spirit.
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Post by oldgas on Sept 1, 2016 12:30:52 GMT
If we are doing well come January I would like the loans extended to the end of the season (if they're doing the business), then the players not getting, and unlikely to get a look in can be moved on.
I'm sure DC has it all worked out.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 1, 2016 12:42:04 GMT
As above, am sure DC will have it in mind as to managing the squad. To say it's DCs fault in giving out too many contracts to last years squad is, IMO, wrong. Making that promise a month before the end of the season really gave all the squad a real reason to raise their games at that time. The subs who came on in March - April all produced and delivered the goods, promotion. I know some will say they should do that anyway but we all know that if players think they won't be there then their performances drop off. So I think it was a master stroke by DC to do what he did. This season will be one of consolidation and come the end of the season I expect us to make major changes to the squad with the intention of giving it a good go next season. Either way DC has done some very good business this week so well done to him and the owners. UTG!
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Post by curlywurly on Sept 1, 2016 12:59:49 GMT
We have also entered the reserve league this season, so keeping players match fit will be easier. Personally I think the squad is a decent size for the challenges ahead, a few injuries and the odd suspension we have covered. Agree entirely.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Sept 1, 2016 13:02:38 GMT
As above, am sure DC will have it in mind as to managing the squad. To say it's DCs fault in giving out too many contracts to last years squad is, IMO, wrong. Making that promise a month before the end of the season really gave all the squad a real reason to raise their games at that time. The subs who came on in March - April all produced and delivered the goods, promotion. I know some will say they should do that anyway but we all know that if players think they won't be there then their performances drop off. So I think it was a master stroke by DC to do what he did. This season will be one of consolidation and come the end of the season I expect us to make major changes to the squad with the intention of giving it a good go next season. Either way DC has done some very good business this week so well done to him and the owners. UTG! If the squad is too big, as I said I just don't know that yet, then the fact is that would be partly due to dc promise last season. I fully understand why he did that and it achieved want we wanted (we'll never know if we would have achieved promotion without the promise) but a completely foreseeable outcome was that we'd be stuck with players we don't really want or are not up to L1 if we got promoted. So I'll disagree if the squad is too big, and we wait to see that, then it is partly due to DCs promise and solely due to his actions afterwards. Every manager is responsible for the size and quality of the squad. Now that is not slating DC (which of course is never allowed) but just stating facts.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 1, 2016 13:31:06 GMT
As above, am sure DC will have it in mind as to managing the squad. To say it's DCs fault in giving out too many contracts to last years squad is, IMO, wrong. Making that promise a month before the end of the season really gave all the squad a real reason to raise their games at that time. The subs who came on in March - April all produced and delivered the goods, promotion. I know some will say they should do that anyway but we all know that if players think they won't be there then their performances drop off. So I think it was a master stroke by DC to do what he did. This season will be one of consolidation and come the end of the season I expect us to make major changes to the squad with the intention of giving it a good go next season. Either way DC has done some very good business this week so well done to him and the owners. UTG! If the squad is too big, as I said I just don't know that yet, then the fact is that would be partly due to dc promise last season. I fully understand why he did that and it achieved want we wanted (we'll never know if we would have achieved promotion without the promise) but a completely foreseeable outcome was that we'd be stuck with players we don't really want or are not up to L1 if we got promoted. So I'll disagree if the squad is too big, and we wait to see that, then it is partly due to DCs promise and solely due to his actions afterwards. Every manager is responsible for the size and quality of the squad. Now that is not slating DC (which of course is never allowed) but just stating facts. Unless the likes of Puddy are refusing to go out on loan then if DC wanted to move them out there's no reason they couldn't follow Gosling & Lucas out on loan? Perhaps DC feels he needs a sqaud this big to cover injuries, suspensions, international call ups, reserve games etc. You can't overlook that once an outfield(?) player goes out on loan this season he's gone until at least January with, I understand, no chance of a recall.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 13:54:33 GMT
The players would have been told what the plan is by Darrel and would have accepted it. I don't hear any rumours of player/squad unrest. I think most are happy to have a regular income for an extra year whilst looking for another club,if that is what they wish. As for the new signings, likewise accepted what they were told before signing. Its a tough old world and we all know what soft delicate souls footballers are so they are content with the situation I would have thought. No challenge for Darrel on that score. Next.....
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Post by Langford Gas on Sept 1, 2016 14:14:13 GMT
Puddu would be the last player i would let go at the mo !
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Post by peterhooper57 on Sept 1, 2016 14:37:20 GMT
IMO squad size is about right especially as the reserves are playing in a competitive league this season.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 14:44:49 GMT
The players would have been told what the plan is by Darrel and would have accepted it. I don't hear any rumours of player/squad unrest. I think most are happy to have a regular income for an extra year whilst looking for another club,if that is what they wish.As for the new signings, likewise accepted what they were told before signing. Its a tough old world and we all know what soft delicate souls footballers are so they are content with the situation I would have thought. No challenge for Darrel on that score. Next..... This is pretty much how I see it. A lot is being made of the blanket offer of contracts last year. Not sure why, your Lawrences/Puddys/Goslings (maybe) must have known if they accept their offers they may not be getting much of a look in this year.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 22:09:58 GMT
some interesting views from people on here but bearing in mind wael wants a sustainable football club then i believe that can only be achieved with a youth system backing up a 21 approx senior pro squad and of course a new or redeveloped stadium.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2016 6:57:48 GMT
some interesting views from people on here but bearing in mind wael wants a sustainable football club then i believe that can only be achieved with a youth system backing up a 21 approx senior pro squad and of course a new or redeveloped stadium. How do you know what 'sustainable' means from the BoDs perspective? Unless you know our financial breakdown and growth targets, guessing about squad size is completely pointless. DC isn't just running around with a pen and signing on forms, he is directed by the BoD.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 2, 2016 7:27:22 GMT
some interesting views from people on here but bearing in mind wael wants a sustainable football club then i believe that can only be achieved with a youth system backing up a 21 approx senior pro squad and of course a new or redeveloped stadium. How do you know what 'sustainable' means from the BoDs perspective? Unless you know our financial breakdown and growth targets, guessing about squad size is completely pointless. DC isn't just running around with a pen and signing on forms, he is directed by the BoD. But you'd hope DC had some say in the size of the sqaud plus didn't Wael or SH suggest he had full control over who he signed? As far as the Academy producing a conveyor belt of 1st team players we could be year away from that happening, I guess the first step in that would be getting decent training facilities when we can then start atrracting better players.
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