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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2016 14:18:03 GMT
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Post by pilninggas on Sept 3, 2016 15:11:23 GMT
Reads like a lot of bemmy sport bollocks to me, but each to their own.
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Post by aghast on Sept 3, 2016 16:10:22 GMT
A well written piece but from a predictable City angle which writes us off as minnows for ever more. We'll have to see about that when the new stadium is underway and the moths fly out of Wael's wallet.
The old and tired logic that suggests Bristol is too small for two successful teams is based on an underlying false premise, i.e. that success is the only thing that matters to a club and its fans, and that success must mean the Premier League and playing in Europe.
City are very successful at the moment by their standards. Multi million pound transfers in and out, a scrubbed-up stadium, and good attendances.
We're also very successful at the moment by our standards. Back to back promotions, a top striker and top manager option to stay with us, and a rich new owner trying to put right the failures of old.
I don't think there would be many fans in Bristol, of either persuasion, who would agree that either club is too small in too small a city to be successful.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Sept 3, 2016 16:37:53 GMT
The next three years are crucial in our ability to finally compete with city. Uwe absolutely has to happen, we can't mess around finding alternative sites and going through all the other stuff to make it happen. That will take five years and city will be so far ahead of us by then the gap will probably be unbridgable. Hopefully once uwe is under construction investment in the playing side will commence and we can really crack on.
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Post by allgasandgaiters on Sept 3, 2016 17:08:12 GMT
Meanwhile on OTIB the knuckle-draggers of Bristol Sport Ltd Football Division have got an energetic match-day thread in their "Football Chat" section reporting on the Rugby Division's first match. Maybe they will claim they're already Premier League now?
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 3, 2016 17:48:35 GMT
What I've never understood is, I always thought Lansdown was a tote ender back in 60/70s. If so how could he ever be part of that lot? I've said 100s of time "that's it I'm never going to see them again," after Rovers have been beaten on a Saturday. But I have always changed my mind by MOTD. If he was a gas fan how can you just change and support the other. It's a heart thing, it's an emotional thing. How could anyone do that? He can't have any feeling for them if he was a gas. I guess it's just a business.
UTG Forever!
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Post by axegas on Sept 3, 2016 17:50:06 GMT
A well written piece but from a predictable City angle which writes us off as minnows for ever more. We'll have to see about that when the new stadium is underway and the moths fly out of Wael's wallet. The old and tired logic that suggests Bristol is too small for two successful teams is based on an underlying false premise, i.e. that success is the only thing that matters to a club and its fans, and that success must mean the Premier League and playing in Europe. City are very successful at the moment by their standards. Multi million pound transfers in and out, a scrubbed-up stadium, and good attendances. We're also very successful at the moment by our standards. Back to back promotions, a top striker and top manager option to stay with us, and a rich new owner trying to put right the failures of old. I don't think there would be many fans in Bristol, of either persuasion, who would agree that either club is too small in too small a city to be successful. To be fair, it was written in October of last year before our takeover and promotion to league one, both Bristol teams have improved since then. Bristol has even managed to fix the arena project more or less! It won't be long before Bristol sees its first premier league club, perhaps even its first top tier derby (let's not get ahead of ourselves). Wael has certainly given us rovers fans something to believe in. Belief and proper management has been missing and blocking our progress, but now it seems we're sorted on both accounts. |
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Post by gasincider on Sept 3, 2016 19:08:45 GMT
The next three years are crucial in our ability to finally compete with city. Uwe absolutely has to happen, we can't mess around finding alternative sites and going through all the other stuff to make it happen. That will take five years and city will be so far ahead of us by then the gap will probably be unbridgable. Hopefully once uwe is under construction investment in the playing side will commence and we can really crack on. Nonsense. Unless the club keep the income to develop ourselves into the future then UWE must NOT happen. We must move elsewhere. Or do you think we should pay UWE to allow ourselves to play in a stadium we have paid for? As for the 82ers, they can only go as far as the Premier League. Sadly they are not heading out of the known universe so they are always catchable. No. We must either get a good deal for the UWE development or move site. We have to get this right at the outset or there will be no future. Ive waited more years than I care to remember for this but if we have to wait a few more years to get it right so be it. |
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Post by chippenhamgas on Sept 3, 2016 19:18:59 GMT
The next three years are crucial in our ability to finally compete with city. Uwe absolutely has to happen, we can't mess around finding alternative sites and going through all the other stuff to make it happen. That will take five years and city will be so far ahead of us by then the gap will probably be unbridgable. Hopefully once uwe is under construction investment in the playing side will commence and we can really crack on. Nonsense. Unless the club keep the income to develop ourselves into the future then UWE must NOT happen. We must move elsewhere. Or do you think we should pay UWE to allow ourselves to play in a stadium we have paid for? As for the 82ers, they can only go as far as the Premier League. Sadly they are not heading out of the known universe so they are always catchable. No. We must either get a good deal for the UWE development or move site. We have to get this right at the outset or there will be no future. Ive waited more years than I care to remember for this but if we have to wait a few more years to get it right so be it. Wait how long? 5, 6, 7 years? We won't get a perfect deal at uwe no question about it, uwe will want it to work for them as much as we will want it to work for us. But the cost of not pursuing it is at least five more years at the mem. During this time a new generation of bristol football fans will have the choice of watching league one rovers in a ramshackle stadium or city in a shiny new stadium (possibly in the prem). The location, transport links and the population growth around the uwe will not be available at any other site. If they were the price of that land would probably prohibit any deal anyway. The cost of 5 more years at the mem is considerable, plus the cost of a whole new scheme probably outweighs any revenue we have to concede to uwe to get the deal through. |
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Post by gasincider on Sept 3, 2016 19:33:18 GMT
I am not saying it is ideal to move elsewhere, I'm saying that if we cannot generate sufficient funds from UWE then we have to go elsewhere even if it takes 5 years more.
You seem to be saying that we should build at the UWE no matter what, which is the recipe for total disaster if it cannot be made to work. In fact this is what was being proposed by NH. Thankfully, Wael is not so desperate to build no matter how poor the deal is. However, I think that by now we must know exactly where we stand with UWE, and I agree with those who say it's time for the club to decide whether it's worth pursuing the UWE or look elsewhere.
As I have said previously, an alternate site had been proposed by South Gloucs on the ring road near Emersons Green, so if necessary, let's start the ball rolling on that one.
By the way, Chippenhamgas, you say that if we found a site with all requirements as there is at the UWE, it would cost a fortune. Do you realise that the hold up at UWE is because we wish to buy the site? Therefore the cost is not the problem. Of course it seems that Wael wants additional land up there for a hotel and other amenities, so that may also be a cause of holding it all up. But certainly, the cost of the land is not the issue.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Sept 3, 2016 19:52:34 GMT
I am not saying it is ideal to move elsewhere, I'm saying that if we cannot generate sufficient funds from UWE then we have to go elsewhere even if it takes 5 years more. You seem to be saying that we should build at the UWE no matter what, which is the recipe for total disaster if it cannot be made to work. In fact this is what was being proposed by NH. Thankfully, Wael is not so desperate to build no matter how poor the deal is. However, I think that by now we must know exactly where we stand with UWE, and I agree with those who say it's time for the club to decide whether it's worth pursuing the UWE or look elsewhere. As I have said previously, an alternate site had been proposed by South Gloucs on the ring road near Emersons Green, so if necessary, let's start the ball rolling on that one. By the way, Chippenhamgas, you say that if we found a site with all requirements as there is at the UWE, it would cost a fortune. Do you realise that the hold up at UWE is because we wish to buy the site? Therefore the cost is not the problem. Of course it seems that Wael wants additional land up there for a hotel and other amenities, so that may also be a cause of holding it all up. But certainly, the cost of the land is not the issue. If it's the case that we have an alternative site that we have been working on simultaneously then fair enough, that would probably add only a year onto the finished stadium project. Maybe that's why there's the delay, we are waiting until we get to a situation where we can put in a planning application soon after announcing that uwe is dead. Announcing that uwe is off but not having another plan for a specific site is clearly going to be a pr disaster wael would like to avoid. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 3, 2016 20:12:20 GMT
Hasn't this forum gone from somebody suggesting they think there's suitable land at Emersons Green to now S Glos have proposed it, next somebody will be suggesting Wael's submitting plans to S Glos, w/o shed of any real evidence. I just can't see S Glos going behind the UWE's back to recommend land after already granting them pp at Filton.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Sept 3, 2016 20:15:10 GMT
Hasn't this forum gone from somebody suggesting they think there's suitable land at Emersons Green to now S Glos have proposed it, next somebody will be suggesting Wael's submitting plans to S Glos, w/o shed of any real evidence. I just can't see S Glos going behind the UWE's back to recommend land after already granting them pp at Filton. Maybe south glos are getting fed up with the delays as much as we are and are trying to speed things up so uwe know there's an alternative. |
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Post by socrates on Sept 3, 2016 20:15:53 GMT
I'll happily stay at the mem for another five years and then move on to our new stadium if that's what's best for our club.
All this talk about it has to happen in the next 5 years is strange, almost like you've only got 5 years left to live.
We've been waiting for it since we left eastville what's another 5 years ?
Our club will always have loyal support its passed down through generations and we'll have new fans too.
I don't see the new stadium project as being some kind of 5 year race to the finishing line with the sh** I think it's a bit weird to be honest.
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Post by aghast on Sept 3, 2016 20:46:47 GMT
I'll happily stay at the mem for another five years and then move on to our new stadium if that's what's best for our club. All this talk about it has to happen in the next 5 years is strange, almost like you've only got 5 years left to live. We've been waiting for it since we left eastville what's another 5 years ? Our club will always have loyal support its passed down through generations and we'll have new fans too. I don't see the new stadium project as being some kind of 5 year race to the finishing line with the sh** I think it's a bit weird to be honest. Tis true. I'm sure Man City fans always kept the faith, even when they played us at the Mem in 1999. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 4, 2016 8:45:14 GMT
I'll happily stay at the mem for another five years and then move on to our new stadium if that's what's best for our club. All this talk about it has to happen in the next 5 years is strange, almost like you've only got 5 years left to live. We've been waiting for it since we left eastville what's another 5 years ? Our club will always have loyal support its passed down through generations and we'll have new fans too. I don't see the new stadium project as being some kind of 5 year race to the finishing line with the sh** I think it's a bit weird to be honest. You do sense we new have our best chance of s new stadium for decades, if we move to another 5 plan, who's to say that won't move to another 10 or even 20 year wait? There's also the question about Wael's long term intentions, is he just happy to sit and wait for 5+ years for any real real return on his investment. Also what do we do as a club in the meantime, as surely Championship football is not really viable at the Mem? |
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Post by justin blue on Sept 4, 2016 8:46:28 GMT
This is a good article of how an outsider sees Bristol football, but for me the answer is much simpler. One Bristol team has been marginally more succesfull over the past 50 years because they always have been significantly wealthier.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Sept 4, 2016 9:31:37 GMT
I'll happily stay at the mem for another five years and then move on to our new stadium if that's what's best for our club. All this talk about it has to happen in the next 5 years is strange, almost like you've only got 5 years left to live. We've been waiting for it since we left eastville what's another 5 years ? Our club will always have loyal support its passed down through generations and we'll have new fans too. I don't see the new stadium project as being some kind of 5 year race to the finishing line with the sh** I think it's a bit weird to be honest. You do sense we new have our best chance of s new stadium for decades, if we move to another 5 plan, who's to say that won't move to another 10 or even 20 year wait? There's also the question about Wael's long term intentions, is he just happy to sit and wait for 5+ years for any real real return on his investment. Also what do we do as a club in the meantime, as surely Championship football is not really viable at the Mem? Absolutely, the problem is a lot of us have seen these schemes come and go over the last 35 years starting with stoke gifford in the early 80's. I think wael would understand why a lot of people are impatient and sometimes sceptical as to why this time should be any different. The subject of where we go on the field from here when the stadium isn't imminent is a problem the new board wouldn't have envisaged in Feb when they took over. We are effectively a year ahead of schedule on the field which puts more pressure on the stadium delivery. |
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Post by youmadethatup on Sept 4, 2016 10:02:29 GMT
The mem is not suitable for championship football without major investment even for short term use. The league rules won't allow use of terrace after a few seasons max. This is why DC refers to championship aspirations as being medium term plans rather than immediate plans.
As far as new stadiums....even if rovers built a 10,000 seater stadium it would be fine short term. The fact is if BRFC or even BCFC became established premier league teams and kicked on to euro cups then the financial benefits via higher international profile and world wide following would mean it would be in the cities interest to allow the clubs to build stadiums that could further enhance the standing of both football clubs and the city. That's just a simple business decision.
Ashton gates 27,000 is about as big as the site can hold without demolishing houses, should city ever reach a standard where they are playing Barcelona in a semi final then Bristol would find a site for a 55,000 stadium pretty easily. To do otherwise is commercial stupidity.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Sept 4, 2016 10:57:10 GMT
The mem is not suitable for championship football without major investment even for short term use. The league rules won't allow use of terrace after a few seasons max. This is why DC refers to championship aspirations as being medium term plans rather than immediate plans. As far as new stadiums....even if rovers built a 10,000 seater stadium it would be fine short term. The fact is if BRFC or even BCFC became established premier league teams and kicked on to euro cups then the financial benefits via higher international profile and world wide following would mean it would be in the cities interest to allow the clubs to build stadiums that could further enhance the standing of both football clubs and the city. That's just a simple business decision. Ashton gates 27,000 is about as big as the site can hold without demolishing houses, should city ever reach a standard where they are playing Barcelona in a semi final then Bristol would find a site for a 55,000 stadium pretty easily. To do otherwise is commercial stupidity. We could play championship football at the mem within the current rules for 3 years. If promotion comes along you have to go for it and deal with the consequences afterwards. Spending money on the mem is money down the drain. Wherever the new stadium is built it will be with an option to expand easily if events on the field deem it necessary, so in that respect we could be in a great position for the future being able to expand to 35-40k. |
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