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Post by yatetown85 on Sept 9, 2016 13:07:50 GMT
A training base is just a few pitches plus a smallish building for storage and reception, and a smallish car park. Should be dead easy, even on green belt. If its the land in Almondsbury that people are suggesting, there are already fields and a few small buildings there.
So hardly any change of use. Football pitches are green fields!
29 acres is a fair chunk of land though,the equivalent of about 15 full size pitches could fit in.
Good! I guess it'll be a smaller version of Man City's new £500m academy and training ground that they built.
It's about time we stopped building for yesterday, and start looking forward!
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 9, 2016 13:12:06 GMT
A training base is just a few pitches plus a smallish building for storage and reception, and a smallish car park. Should be dead easy, even on green belt. If its the land in Almondsbury that people are suggesting, there are already fields and a few small buildings there.
So hardly any change of use. Football pitches are green fields!
29 acres is a fair chunk of land though,the equivalent of about 15 full size pitches could fit in. Yeah, but if they are mostly fields now; and mostly (football) fields after; then where's the change? Have a look at Chelsea's training ground at Cobham on google earth for an example - a small building, a small car park, one or 2 all weather pitches (which we could wait for PP for, as the excellent GFA all weather pitch is just round the corner, which I believe we played our recent reserve game on), the rest is green fields.
Green belt restriction is about concreting over fields. We wouldn't be doing that.
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Post by Langford Gas on Sept 9, 2016 13:14:56 GMT
Hope not , not with those Pylons !
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Post by wereallgas on Sept 9, 2016 14:46:49 GMT
I see the 6 fingered inbred lot are kicking off because we cant have 2 lvl 2 academy's in the same city.... they have forgot about Manchester, Liverpool or London then.... then again geography was not the strongest suject they thought Aston vale was in Bristol I know it sounds stupid, but the people that categorise the academy genuinely take into consideration if there's one nearby. Obviously it doesn't rule it out but it does make it a bit more difficult.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 15:10:48 GMT
I see the 6 fingered inbred lot are kicking off because we cant have 2 lvl 2 academy's in the same city.... they have forgot about Manchester, Liverpool or London then.... then again geography was not the strongest suject they thought Aston vale was in Bristol I know it sounds stupid, but the people that categorise the academy genuinely take into consideration if there's one nearby. Obviously it doesn't rule it out but it does make it a bit more difficult. Brentford and QPR both have Cat 2 category ones, sure there are others in the London area too. Thing is, the idea that Southampton could have a set up at Bath yet Rovers and City couldn't have Cat 2 is laughable.
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Post by lpgas on Sept 9, 2016 15:17:25 GMT
Water is connected to the land serving various cattle water troughs. A division of the service, with suitable check meters will be required.
well that's the cold baths sorted out
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Post by youmadethatup on Sept 9, 2016 15:22:38 GMT
Two things to ponder 1)as the inbred reds keep saying about when BRFC move into south Gloucestershire ,there will only be one team in Bristol. Which means there will be one academy in Bristol....or somerset and one in south Gloucestershire. So the same city will not have two academies anyway.
2) is the former Easter Compton site for the previous stadium project still available ? Does this site offer enough land ?
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 9, 2016 15:24:19 GMT
I see the 6 fingered inbred lot are kicking off because we cant have 2 lvl 2 academy's in the same city.... they have forgot about Manchester, Liverpool or London then.... then again geography was not the strongest suject they thought Aston vale was in Bristol I know it sounds stupid, but the people that categorise the academy genuinely take into consideration if there's one nearby. Obviously it doesn't rule it out but it does make it a bit more difficult. Well I've scanned through the Elite Player Performance Plan, which defines the requirements for academy grading, and there's not a thing in there about limiting the number of academy grades in one area. And why would there be? Surely the FA want as many good young players coming through as possible?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 15:42:34 GMT
29 acres is a fair chunk of land though,the equivalent of about 15 full size pitches could fit in. Yeah, but if they are mostly fields now; and mostly (football) fields after; then where's the change? Have a look at Chelsea's training ground at Cobham on google earth for an example - a small building, a small car park, one or 2 all weather pitches (which we could wait for PP for, as the excellent GFA all weather pitch is just round the corner, which I believe we played our recent reserve game on), the rest is green fields.
Green belt restriction is about concreting over fields. We wouldn't be doing that.
Ah I didn't make my point clear.I wasn't really referring to the green belt (non) issue,your post seemed to indicate,or suggest at least,that the site was not actually very big thats all.I believe it's just under 1/2 a square mile in size and maybe bigger than you thought?
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 9, 2016 15:55:23 GMT
Yeah, but if they are mostly fields now; and mostly (football) fields after; then where's the change? Have a look at Chelsea's training ground at Cobham on google earth for an example - a small building, a small car park, one or 2 all weather pitches (which we could wait for PP for, as the excellent GFA all weather pitch is just round the corner, which I believe we played our recent reserve game on), the rest is green fields.
Green belt restriction is about concreting over fields. We wouldn't be doing that.
Ah I didn't make my point clear.I wasn't really referring to the green belt (non) issue,your post seemed to indicate,or suggest at least,that the site was not actually very big thats all.I believe it's just under 1/2 a square mile in size and maybe bigger than you thought? Yes, but that's the size of the site, not the size of any building required. A football pitch is not a building.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 9, 2016 17:02:12 GMT
Ah I didn't make my point clear.I wasn't really referring to the green belt (non) issue,your post seemed to indicate,or suggest at least,that the site was not actually very big thats all.I believe it's just under 1/2 a square mile in size and maybe bigger than you thought? Yes, but that's the size of the site, not the size of any building required. A football pitch is not a building. If it's a state of the art academy then surely it'll include changing rooms/physio centre etc plus a 3G or 4G pitch and floodlit pitches. Although it seems sports facilities of some nature are allowed in the Green Belt: A local planning authority should regard the construction of new buildings as inappropriate in Green Belt. Exceptions to this are: buildings for agriculture and forestry, provision of appropriate facilities for outdoor sport, outdoor recreation and for cemeteries, as long as it preserves the openness of the Green Belt and does not conflict with the purposes of including land within it;
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 9, 2016 17:24:40 GMT
Yes, but that's the size of the site, not the size of any building required. A football pitch is not a building. If it's a state of the art academy then surely it'll include changing rooms/physio centre etc plus a 3G or 4G pitch and floodlit pitches. Although it seems sports facilities of some nature are allowed in the Green Belt: A local planning authority should regard the construction of new buildings as inappropriate in Green Belt. Exceptions to this are: buildings for agriculture and forestry, provision of appropriate facilities for outdoor sport, outdoor recreation and for cemeteries, as long as it preserves the openness of the Green Belt and does not conflict with the purposes of including land within it; They build on green belt all the time. There's a new estate with about 400 homes on it, just up the road from there, on green belt, built in 2007.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 17:27:33 GMT
If it's a state of the art academy then surely it'll include changing rooms/physio centre etc plus a 3G or 4G pitch and floodlit pitches. Although it seems sports facilities of some nature are allowed in the Green Belt: A local planning authority should regard the construction of new buildings as inappropriate in Green Belt. Exceptions to this are: buildings for agriculture and forestry, provision of appropriate facilities for outdoor sport, outdoor recreation and for cemeteries, as long as it preserves the openness of the Green Belt and does not conflict with the purposes of including land within it; They build on green belt all the time. There's a new estate with about 400 homes on it, just up the road from there, on green belt, built in 2007. green belt means nothing these days. Especially if the proposals benefit local authorities and make the area more attractive to other investments. Housing estates going up mean more council tax for LAs but not necessarily more council work to do!
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 9, 2016 17:49:48 GMT
Re-read the BP article and I see it says the contract with Axa expires in March not we have to move by then, I assume the plan is to have the new facilities in place for the summer, which makes more sense.
As far as green belt meaning nothing, the fact there's no major housing development around Almondsbury suggests it might in that area of S Glos.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 17:56:04 GMT
Re-read the BP article and I see it says the contract with Axa expires in March not we have to move by then, I assume the plan is to have the new facilities in place for the summer, which makes more sense. As far as green belt meaning nothing, the fact there's no major housing development around Almondsbury suggests it might in that area of S Glos. According to Radio Bristol Wael said 'we'll move in March' to the new training site.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Sept 9, 2016 19:25:18 GMT
I see the 6 fingered inbred lot are kicking off because we cant have 2 lvl 2 academy's in the same city.... they have forgot about Manchester, Liverpool or London then.... then again geography was not the strongest suject they thought Aston vale was in Bristol Erm. Isn't there's outside of the city boundary?
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 9, 2016 19:26:29 GMT
"The Department should determine your application within eight weeks. Large or complex applications may take longer. The Local Area Planning Office should be able to give you an idea about the likely timetable"
Assuming we wrap up the deal this month, then apply for pp the earliest we'd get it is around the turn of the year, assuming there's no newts/bats/dog walkers etc, Wael/SH must be miracle workers if they are going to lay pitches during the 3 worse months of the year?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 19:32:24 GMT
"The Department should determine your application within eight weeks. Large or complex applications may take longer. The Local Area Planning Office should be able to give you an idea about the likely timetable" Assuming we wrap up the deal this month, then apply for pp the earliest we'd get it is around the turn of the year, assuming there's no newts/bats/dog walkers etc, Wael/SH must be miracle workers if they are going to lay pitches during the 3 worse months of the year? crikey you really have no idea how construction and local politics work do you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 19:33:54 GMT
Re-read the BP article and I see it says the contract with Axa expires in March not we have to move by then, I assume the plan is to have the new facilities in place for the summer, which makes more sense. As far as green belt meaning nothing, the fact there's no major housing development around Almondsbury suggests it might in that area of S Glos. howabout the major development on Hortham Lane then? Feck me
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Post by aghast on Sept 9, 2016 19:47:33 GMT
As the overexcited Antonio said earlier, green belt means nothing much nowadays since the Tories relaxed planning laws.
City would have built Ashton Vale in today's environment. As things were then, it was established that the site was a village common or whatever they called the scrubby patch, so a legal precedent was set which is hard to overturn. In the current world, that ruling would never have been made.
In my opinion, converting green fields to green football pitches with a few low-rise changing blocks will not be any problem and will be fast-tracked with a few meetings and perhaps the odd lunch.
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