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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 19:58:29 GMT
As the overexcited Antonio said earlier, green belt means nothing much nowadays since the Tories relaxed planning laws. City would have built Ashton Vale in today's environment. As things were then, it was established that the site was a village common or whatever they called the scrubby patch, so a legal precedent was set which is hard to overturn. In the current world, that ruling would never have been made. In my opinion, converting green fields to green football pitches with a few low-rise changing blocks will not be any problem and will be fast-tracked with a few meetings and perhaps the odd lunch. Utter rubbish. Think back to the almighty price rises in the mid to late 90s under Blair. And continued under brown. Farmers were made multi millionaires overnight thanks to Tony making 'green belt' a redundant word and building houses in the middle of,literally,anywhere. Not to mention pricing the average working class man of ever having the dream of owning his own castle.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 20:01:12 GMT
Excellent news re. Training centre. when will this dream end for us Rovers supporters? The Premiership?
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Post by aghast on Sept 9, 2016 20:11:48 GMT
As the overexcited Antonio said earlier, green belt means nothing much nowadays since the Tories relaxed planning laws. City would have built Ashton Vale in today's environment. As things were then, it was established that the site was a village common or whatever they called the scrubby patch, so a legal precedent was set which is hard to overturn. In the current world, that ruling would never have been made. In my opinion, converting green fields to green football pitches with a few low-rise changing blocks will not be any problem and will be fast-tracked with a few meetings and perhaps the odd lunch. Utter rubbish. Think back to the almighty price rises in the mid to late 90s under Blair. And continued under brown. Farmers were made multi millionaires overnight thanks to Tony making 'green belt' a redundant word and building houses in the middle of,literally,anywhere. Not to mention pricing the average working class man of ever having the dream of owning his own castle. Don't start having a f*ckin political rant at me just for the sake of an argument. My point wasn't political. I was just pointing out that the current Conservative government was the one which has done the most to relax planning laws in recent years, in an effort to boost the economy, with the inevitable price to be paid of upsetting some people in or near green belt areas. EDIT: And that of course will be good news for our training ground application.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 9, 2016 20:25:38 GMT
Corbyn's Britain!
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 9, 2016 21:01:46 GMT
Excellent news re. Training centre. when will this dream end for us Rovers supporters? The Premiership? Don't want to be negative but I'd take the Championship inside 5 years, given that we've spent so long outside the Championship/the old Div 1.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 21:12:35 GMT
Excellent news re. Training centre. when will this dream end for us Rovers supporters? The Premiership? Don't want to be negative but I'd take the Championship inside 5 years, given that we've spent so long outside the Championship/the old Div 1. I thought that the Championshit was the old Div 2.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 9, 2016 21:19:45 GMT
Don't want to be negative but I'd take the Championship inside 5 years, given that we've spent so long outside the Championship/the old Div 1. I thought that the Championshit was the old Div 2. It was so long ago I got confused!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 23:38:57 GMT
division 1 man utd are in it,div 2 city are there,div 3 we are in that division,div 4 barnet are div 4 all the other names are just pure market hype bull imo
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 7:27:41 GMT
Utter rubbish. Think back to the almighty price rises in the mid to late 90s under Blair. And continued under brown. Farmers were made multi millionaires overnight thanks to Tony making 'green belt' a redundant word and building houses in the middle of,literally,anywhere. Not to mention pricing the average working class man of ever having the dream of owning his own castle. Don't start having a f*ckin political rant at me just for the sake of an argument. My point wasn't political. I was just pointing out that the current Conservative government was the one which has done the most to relax planning laws in recent years, in an effort to boost the economy, with the inevitable price to be paid of upsetting some people in or near green belt areas. EDIT: And that of course will be good news for our training ground application. What are you talking about? I was replying to YOUR POST which was political!! That's the trouble with the 'mini Tories' of today,they don't like how far right their beloved 'working class' representatives have taken them. Green Belt hasn't existed since Labour all but removed it for the housing shortage under Blair. Simple. As for the training ground, green belt arguments don't come into the equation considering 90% of the development would be grass anyway,coupled with a low height building/s and easily disguised floodlights. P.s. Please note this is not a Rant! Perhaps if people didn't read in such an aggressive manner.....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 7:30:43 GMT
Excellent news re. Training centre. when will this dream end for us Rovers supporters? The Premiership? Don't want to be negative but I'd take the Championship inside 5 years, given that we've spent so long outside the Championship/the old Div 1. So would I Topper. That's the good thing about a dream,it can last until realised. Or fade away! Mine will continue for a few years yet.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 10, 2016 7:35:51 GMT
Corbyn's Britain!!!
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Post by newmarketgas on Sept 10, 2016 7:48:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 7:58:33 GMT
....will be more f**ked up than Tony's, Gordens and Daves??
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Post by msngas on Sept 10, 2016 8:06:27 GMT
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 10, 2016 8:59:26 GMT
Excellent news re. Training centre. when will this dream end for us Rovers supporters? The Premiership? Don't want to be negative but I'd take the Championship inside 5 years, given that we've spent so long outside the Championship/the old Div 1. Agree, so would I. Don't think it's negative at all when you consider where we were two years ago and some might call it optimistic!! I've waited 50 years and don't mind waiting a few years more. UTG!
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 10, 2016 10:13:04 GMT
Yes, but that's the size of the site, not the size of any building required. A football pitch is not a building. If it's a state of the art academy then surely it'll include changing rooms/physio centre etc plus a 3G or 4G pitch and floodlit pitches. Although it seems sports facilities of some nature are allowed in the Green Belt: A local planning authority should regard the construction of new buildings as inappropriate in Green Belt. Exceptions to this are: buildings for agriculture and forestry, provision of appropriate facilities for outdoor sport, outdoor recreation and for cemeteries, as long as it preserves the openness of the Green Belt and does not conflict with the purposes of including land within it; Surprisingly little building needed. Take a look at Chelsea's Cobham base on Google earth, or even the GFA headquarters round the corner which has all that plus offices and meeting rooms, for an idea of building size. The 4g can wait for PP as we can use the GFA one round the corner, like we did for the reserve game the other night.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 10, 2016 11:03:15 GMT
So you think, what I assume is a multi million development, is going to be started before pp is in place? What happens if we don't get it for some reason after buying the land and spending £100K's laying pitches? Although I'd imagine they'd be uproar from local residents anyway if we started w/o pp.
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 10, 2016 12:50:54 GMT
So you think, what I assume is a multi million development, is going to be started before pp is in place? What happens if we don't get it for some reason after buying the land and spending £100K's laying pitches? Although I'd imagine they'd be uproar from local residents anyway if we started w/o pp. Only for the 4g pitch, as that's the bit that would take time. The building would be little more than replacing the current buildings on the site, so that would be quick to agree - I imagine. We would have to be very very confident of eventually getting the 4g permission if course, but with the GFA pitch round the corner, precident has been set. Just a timing thing really. All this just in my head of course! Would all be different if a level 2 academy has to have an indoor pitch, not sure on that one.
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Post by beaver132 on Sept 10, 2016 12:56:24 GMT
B&HA's training centre in Lancing, abt 8 miles from Brighton is huge. It caused a lot of uproar but they ploughed on regardless, moving living things out of the way, built it among the protests and now no one even mentions it's existence. Lots of fuss but no one stopped it.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 10, 2016 19:08:16 GMT
So you think, what I assume is a multi million development, is going to be started before pp is in place? What happens if we don't get it for some reason after buying the land and spending £100K's laying pitches? Although I'd imagine they'd be uproar from local residents anyway if we started w/o pp. Only for the 4g pitch, as that's the bit that would take time. The building would be little more than replacing the current buildings on the site, so that would be quick to agree - I imagine. We would have to be very very confident of eventually getting the 4g permission if course, but with the GFA pitch round the corner, precident has been set. Just a timing thing really. All this just in my head of course! Would all be different if a level 2 academy has to have an indoor pitch, not sure on that one. The GFA pitch is right next to the M4, I'd be amazed if that was GB land or anybody would object. From memory the Hotham Hospital(?) housing estate took years to develop, and that was a brown field site,although no idea if that was down to pp or finding a developer.
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