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Post by curlywurly on Feb 20, 2017 16:14:12 GMT
At Shrewsbury recently,a group of middle aged Gasheads very drunk took their seats just before .K.O. Their behaviour was awful and a lot moved away.However,the tension was largely diffused by a lone steward who dealt with them with humour and tact thus preventing an escalation of the situation. Unfortunately, there was not a lot of humour and tact on display on Saturday. A ridiculous situation that could have and should have been avoided with some common sense - by all concerned. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 20, 2017 16:22:34 GMT
I'm glad people are admitting the fact we have our own idiots now instead of paperin tbe cracks by blaming the stewards etc.
Yes they have not covered theirselves in glory but let's try and get our own house in order!
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Feb 20, 2017 16:26:40 GMT
A group did turn up at Mansfield last year a bit worse for wear. They just put a couple of plod in with them just to keep an eye on them. Was definitely an unpleasant 'we'll sit where we want' scenario but it was well managed.
Granted stewarding was inept to say the least on saturday. Inside and outside ground. What has peed me off at other games is when we get allocated seats and don't stick to them and then stewards get blamed for peoples inability to read. We did have lots of spare seats on saturday but no one wanted them as they were not behind the goal.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 16:29:26 GMT
...and this is your contribution? Keep lurking is my advice, not interested in petty minded BS. Not even my post, just know the place these "action mods" come from, and it isn't the wellbeing of the forum Noted. Thank you for the warm welcome. I will get back to my lurking. At least we've got that sorted then. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 16:31:33 GMT
Noted. Thank you for the warm welcome. I will get back to my lurking. At least we've got that sorted then. Haha! What a bell. Best off out of this place if cretins like you are the norm. Toodaloo |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 16:34:28 GMT
At least we've got that sorted then. Haha! What a bell. Best off out of this place if cretins like you are the norm. Toodaloo Am I or someone else supposed to rush in saying "NOOOO"? |
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Post by Marshy on Feb 20, 2017 16:39:02 GMT
Haha! What a bell. Best off out of this place if cretins like you are the norm. Toodaloo Am I or someone else supposed to rush in saying "NOOOO"? Was that a shithesd? |
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 20, 2017 16:42:25 GMT
Come on , take that photo off . What you trying to prove by giving all and sundry someone's address ?
Edit. Sorted now thanks Hugo.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 16:51:10 GMT
For those blaming the fans, why can other clubs deal with people strolling in at 2.55 just fine yet Port Vale can't? Happens all the time at sell outs for example, yet Port Vale have been the first club in a while to struggle with it. Other clubs don't have thousands of seats to utilise when capacity is stretched either.
When clubs hand out numbers of unreserved tickets (like Port Vale did) they need to be prepared for it. Its incompetence which caused the problems on Saturday.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 20, 2017 16:54:05 GMT
Come on , take that photo off . What you trying to prove by giving all and sundry someone's address ? Edit. Sorted now thanks Hugo. It was posted on the appreciation page by said person. |
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 20, 2017 16:59:07 GMT
Come on , take that photo off . What you trying to prove by giving all and sundry someone's address ? Edit. Sorted now thanks Hugo. It was posted on the appreciation page by said person. Sorry, still don't agree with it being shared by anyone else |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 20, 2017 17:07:02 GMT
It was posted on the appreciation page by said person. Sorry, still don't agree with it being shared by anyone else Actually, strictly speaking I think once that person has posted it themselves on Facebook it's then in the public domain and they can't then complain if it gets picked up on elsewhere. I think.... |
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 20, 2017 17:18:36 GMT
Sorry, still don't agree with it being shared by anyone else Actually, strictly speaking I think once that person has posted it themselves on Facebook it's then in the public domain and they can't then complain if it gets picked up on elsewhere. I think.... Fair enough, but the bloke maybe assumed as it was on the closed appreciation group only rovers fans would see it. This forum can be accessed by all , including anyone with any beef with him. Anyway, thanks for removing it , it served no purpose for good as far as I'm concerned |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 17:45:22 GMT
I'm glad people are admitting the fact we have our own idiots now instead of paperin tbe cracks by blaming the stewards etc. Yes they have not covered theirselves in glory but let's try and get our own house in order! A steward was clearly seen wading in with punches, a man with Multiple Sclerosis was knocked to the floor and cut his head, pepper spray was affecting a lot of innocent people, a woman was headbutted, kids crying and leaving the ground, OAP's scared. Not covered themselves in glory you say? I don't think I've ever read such a wild understatement on a football forum before, the actions of the people employed to protect the safety of innocent people on Saturday was nothing short of a total disgrace, Rovers have always had lads who like a scrap, that will never change, but it certainly won't be on the minds of people who on Saturday would have lost complete trust in the very people who are employed to ensure that innocent people can feel safe at a football match. |
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Post by newmarketgas on Feb 20, 2017 17:48:42 GMT
I'm glad people are admitting the fact we have our own idiots now instead of paperin tbe cracks by blaming the stewards etc. Yes they have not covered theirselves in glory but let's try and get our own house in order! We have our own idiots on here and they don't stop, why would people at a game be any different ?  |
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Post by midlandgas213 on Feb 20, 2017 17:55:26 GMT
Where as the thread gone about port vale stewards ?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 20, 2017 17:56:17 GMT
I'm glad people are admitting the fact we have our own idiots now instead of paperin tbe cracks by blaming the stewards etc. Yes they have not covered theirselves in glory but let's try and get our own house in order! A steward was clearly seen wading in with punches, a man with Multiple Sclerosis was knocked to the floor and cut his head, pepper spray was affecting a lot of innocent people, a woman was headbutted, kids crying and leaving the ground, OAP's scared. Not covered themselves in glory you say? I don't think I've ever read such a wild understatement on a football forum before, the actions of the people employed to protect the safety of innocent people on Saturday was nothing short of a total disgrace, Rovers have always had lads who like a scrap, that will never change, but it certainly won't be on the minds of people who on Saturday would have lost complete trust in the very people who are employed to ensure that innocent people can feel safe at a football match. "Rovers have always had lads who like a scrap" That makes it alright then. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 18:00:23 GMT
Where as the thread gone about port vale stewards ? Fair comment. Mods? |
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Post by You can call me Al. on Feb 20, 2017 18:01:14 GMT
Evening folks.
Can i ask that we try to remain sensible and post with respect please on this thread. We don't need the abusive posts/replies. Thanks in advance.
MidlandsGas 213 - i moved the 'Stewards' thread to general Chat as it turned into a Brexit free-for-all. Hope you understand that we are only trying to moderate the forum with best intentions my good friend.
Enjoy your evening.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 20, 2017 19:12:50 GMT
I wasn't there so perhaps I shouldn't comment about the PV stewards but I was at Plymouth last year when it all kicked off as well.
From my observations over many years of following Rovers home and away and also from watching Bournemouth I would just make some general comments:
...whenever there is away unallocated seating and people just buy a ticket and sit down there are always problems. If it was clear that the ticket sold to you is your seat, allocated seating, then you should sit there.
...at York in April there were far more gas but because it was standing and not sitting there were no problems. It seems to happen when it's seating and some fans think it's allocated seating and sit in "their" seat yet others think it's unallocated and they can go anywhere. It will always be a problem.
...any club that is expecting hundreds or thousands of people to come to their ground to watch a game of football has a duty of care to ensure they provide a safe environment for that to happen. That will include the physical environment and the stewardship and managing of all spectators who go.
...any training would include managing difficult situations (people who have been drinking, abususive fans, late arrivals, crowds of people all enthusiastic, etc)
...any club will have a Safety Officer who will be responsible for the stewards, their training and for all safety arrangements. These will be taken very seriously and clubs that don't take it seriously will be punished I would imagine.
...this being the case it's no good PV saying the fans were late coming or were argumentative. They would know that, I would hope they are trained to deal with that. It looked as if some staff were unable to deal with that sensibly and reverted to physical force which they would know could only make the situation worse and turn it into a fight and cause danger to innocent spectators nearby. This appeared to be the case.
...After watching the highlights on Channel 5 before all the publicity I thought why have they compressed all the gas into a smallish area of a 4,500 stand. What a strange thing to do and it was obvious that it wasn't even central or behind the goal. Just from watching that it looked like problems would occur.
That PV have not responded yet tells me that they know their arrangements did not work and that individual stewards not following their protocols and policies made the situation worse and that they are at fault. I expect their Safety Officrer is answering hard questions about why he closed off all but a smallish part of the stand thus making the problem worse. Stewards will have been giving their take on it and I would expect a club statement sometime tomorrow or Wednesday which will say they are reviewing their safety arrangements but will put the blame squarely on the Rovers fans for being aggressive and perhaps even drunk.
The club, in this case, Port Vale, has to take responsibility for their own safety arrangements and they have to be seen to be at fault esp as stewards made the situation worse and the fans were all funnelled into a small area of a stand. But I bet PV won't say that! I hope I am surprised.
But to give some kind of balance to this why on earth can't all fans realise that:
...if you turn up just before the match starts then finding your seat may be harder and you are going to upset others who are already there.
...you may not be able to sit with your mates if you leave it to the last minute to find a seat esp where the seats are unallocated or even allocated.
...that all fans need to show a bit of respect and understanding to people trying to help, or trying to do their jobs. (I don't hold much hope for that!!)
Anyway, my tin hat is on ready!
UTG!
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