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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 18, 2017 9:37:41 GMT
Rumours ranging from early election (subject to Fixed Term Parliament Act rules) to stepping down.
Seems unusually quiet on the leaks front, TV suggests the media is genuinely surprised.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 10:14:32 GMT
It's an Election on June 8th.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 11:15:16 GMT
and so.............
The Labour Party has just collectively sh1t itself. I suspect that the Labour Manifesto will be one of the funniest documents of this year.
The Lib Dems will attempt to turn the General Election into another Brexit vote. They are hoping that many of the 48% who voted to Remain will vote for them.
UKIP will expand their vote, but still only have a couple of MP's. However, many in the past who voted UKIP may go back to voting Tory.
I can't see any other result than a complete landslide for the Tories.
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 18, 2017 11:15:25 GMT
Cons 1/14 to win most seats. Labour 8/1.
I can see Corbyn`s mob being obliterated. Who the f**k do they represent?
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Post by RetroGamer on Apr 18, 2017 12:09:51 GMT
No doubt a move to keep us in the eu. The only thing I can see this achieving is using an election as a final opportunity to bring in a pro eu government into power.
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 18, 2017 12:46:18 GMT
Thread title amended appropriately.
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 18, 2017 12:54:58 GMT
My prediction as of today;
Conservative majority of 60 -70
Labour badly mauled in England, small gain in Scotland
Lib Dems getting a few seats in Remain areas, especially Scotland. Maybe up to 15-20 MPs.
UKiP still many votes but fewer than 3 MPs (probably none)
Greens up to 2.
SNP still around 48 but lose mostly to Cons and Lib Dems
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 18, 2017 12:59:07 GMT
No doubt a move to keep us in the eu. The only thing I can see this achieving is using an election as a final opportunity to bring in a pro eu government into power. I agree it is Brexit related (and Labour's implosion) but not for that reason. I feel this is more to do with TM going into the negotiations with a personal mandate so she can tell waiverers on both sides of her party to get behind her and the EU negotiators that she has authority to do it her way. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 13:15:57 GMT
No doubt a move to keep us in the eu. The only thing I can see this achieving is using an election as a final opportunity to bring in a pro eu government into power. I agree it is Brexit related (and Labour's implosion) but not for that reason. I feel this is more to do with TM going into the negotiations with a personal mandate so she can tell waiverers on both sides of her party to get behind her and the EU negotiators that she has authority to do it her way. Yeah, I think there are a number of reasons why she is going for an election now. Labour are in total disarray. They will lose a number of seats. The SNP are not as popular in Scotland now. If they lose a few seats to either the Lib Dems, or the Tories, then that will kill off any referendum talk. The Tories can expect to end up with a majority of between 60 and 100. This will crush the Remainers in the Tory Party and stop their bleating. It will give her a stronger hand in Brexit negotiations, as the elected PM who will have a bigger majority than pre-Brexit. UKIP are nothing without Farage. Lib Dems should pick up a number of previous Labour votes. Like you I expect them to get around 20 seats. The major worry is when Corbyn announces that he will plant the money tree in the garden of No. 10 if elected. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 18, 2017 13:44:28 GMT
I agree it is Brexit related (and Labour's implosion) but not for that reason. I feel this is more to do with TM going into the negotiations with a personal mandate so she can tell waiverers on both sides of her party to get behind her and the EU negotiators that she has authority to do it her way. Yeah, I think there are a number of reasons why she is going for an election now. Labour are in total disarray. They will lose a number of seats. The SNP are not as popular in Scotland now. If they lose a few seats to either the Lib Dems, or the Tories, then that will kill off any referendum talk. The Tories can expect to end up with a majority of between 60 and 100. This will crush the Remainers in the Tory Party and stop their bleating. It will give her a stronger hand in Brexit negotiations, as the elected PM who will have a bigger majority than pre-Brexit. UKIP are nothing without Farage. Lib Dems should pick up a number of previous Labour votes. Like you I expect them to get around 20 seats. The major worry is when Corbyn announces that he will plant the money tree in the garden of No. 10 if elected. Sorry, you lost all credibility with that last bit ;-) |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 18, 2017 13:50:12 GMT
I agree it is Brexit related (and Labour's implosion) but not for that reason. I feel this is more to do with TM going into the negotiations with a personal mandate so she can tell waiverers on both sides of her party to get behind her and the EU negotiators that she has authority to do it her way. Yeah, I think there are a number of reasons why she is going for an election now. Labour are in total disarray. They will lose a number of seats. The SNP are not as popular in Scotland now. If they lose a few seats to either the Lib Dems, or the Tories, then that will kill off any referendum talk. The Tories can expect to end up with a majority of between 60 and 100. This will crush the Remainers in the Tory Party and stop their bleating. It will give her a stronger hand in Brexit negotiations, as the elected PM who will have a bigger majority than pre-Brexit. UKIP are nothing without Farage. Lib Dems should pick up a number of previous Labour votes. Like you I expect them to get around 20 seats. The major worry is when Corbyn announces that he will plant the money tree in the garden of No. 10 if elected. Joking aside, I actually agree with much of you there. Also throw in Lords reform for similar reasons (well, the threat of it anyway). |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 14:01:55 GMT
The Tories biggest problem will be complacency amongst their voters. I read that one of the reasons Clinton lost the Presidential election in the US was that all the polls claimed she would win easily. This led to a lot of people not voting, as they assumed it was wrapped up, whereas nearly all Trump voters...well, voted.
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 18, 2017 15:11:12 GMT
No doubt a move to keep us in the eu. The only thing I can see this achieving is using an election as a final opportunity to bring in a pro eu government into power. Don`t see that at all. I think TM always was a leaver, and I think she`s glad that we`re off. But she`s a typical politician; she thought that the remain camp would prevail, and positioned herself accordingly. |
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Apr 19, 2017 9:17:14 GMT
Would Corbyn winning be a bigger shock than Brexit?
Personally I'd rather vote bloody Green Party than Conservatives
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 9:21:55 GMT
Would Corbyn winning be a bigger shock than Brexit? Personally I'd rather vote bloody Green Party than Conservatives I shudder at the thought of that ! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 9:40:20 GMT
No doubt a move to keep us in the eu. The only thing I can see this achieving is using an election as a final opportunity to bring in a pro eu government into power. Don`t see that at all. I think TM always was a leaver, and I think she`s glad that we`re off. But she`s a typical politician; she thought that the remain camp would prevail, and positioned herself accordingly. I totally agree with that William. It's strange to read that so many Labour MP's are going to either vote against the election today, or abstain. This just shows how fecked up Labour are ! The Guardian |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 19, 2017 9:56:56 GMT
Would Corbyn winning be a bigger shock than Brexit? Personally I'd rather vote bloody Green Party than Conservatives Hate the Tories with a passion too, but even at their worse they were not as unelectable as Corbyn is. Smart move by May, minimum of another 4 years in power for her party. Labour are a shambles. |
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 19, 2017 10:26:29 GMT
Would Corbyn winning be a bigger shock than Brexit? Personally I'd rather vote bloody Green Party than Conservatives Hate the Tories with a passion too, but even at their worse they were not as unelectable as Corbyn is. Smart move by May, minimum of another 4 years in power for her party. Labour are a shambles. I don`t think it was a smart move really. I think it`s been pretty much forced upon her. I`m sure that she would rather have carried on until 2020, facing Jeremy Corbyn day in day out, on the other side of the dispatch box, and then face him in a general election. That way, she`d have had nobody credible to oppose her, and 8 years in power for her party. Personally, I think this is a Godsend for Labour. Better to be wiped out now and reorganize under someone like Dan Jarvis, than limp impotently along the way they are at the moment. |
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 19, 2017 10:33:08 GMT
Would Corbyn winning be a bigger shock than Brexit? It would, yes. It would be a bigger shock than Elvis Presley making a guest appearance at the Fleece and Firkin. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 10:40:00 GMT
Hate the Tories with a passion too, but even at their worse they were not as unelectable as Corbyn is. Smart move by May, minimum of another 4 years in power for her party. Labour are a shambles. I don`t think it was a smart move really. I think it`s been pretty much forced upon her. I`m sure that she would rather have carried on until 2020, facing Jeremy Corbyn day in day out, on the other side of the dispatch box, and then face him in a general election. That way, she`d have had nobody credible to oppose her, and 8 years in power for her party. Personally, I think this is a Godsend for Labour. Better to be wiped out now and reorganize under someone like Dan Jarvis, than limp impotently along the way they are at the moment. Yep, this is a godsend for the 'normal' Labour Party. What they have to do is keep their mouths shut and let Corbyn run. They have to ensure that the Left are shown to be responsible for the shambles, otherwise it'll be the old 'right-wingers in the Labour Party led to our defeat' argument. It's imperative that the Left are held responsible. Only then can they attempt to reclaim their Party from the Left. In my opinion, it's too late already. Momentum has control of the Party, and the only thing they can do is to start a new Party, and leave the Left/Momentum to fester as a token protest party. It has, to an extent, been forced upon her as she cannot continue with the Brexit negotiations while constantly being attacked/held up by Remainers in the House. The country voted for Brexit, but unfortunately, there are a large number of MP's who just don't get it. This is her attempt to finally get a clear mandate in the House and crack on......and if the Lib Dems can reclaim four or five seats in Scotland from the SNP, that'll be a Brucie Bonus as it will kill off the Referendum claims from Wee Krankie. |
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