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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 10:40:43 GMT
Would Corbyn winning be a bigger shock than Brexit? It would, yes. It would be a bigger shock than Elvis Presley making a guest appearance at the Fleece and Firkin. Ooo, are tickets still available or can I pay on the door? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 11:50:47 GMT
Hate the Tories with a passion too, but even at their worse they were not as unelectable as Corbyn is. Smart move by May, minimum of another 4 years in power for her party. Labour are a shambles. I don`t think it was a smart move really. I think it`s been pretty much forced upon her. I`m sure that she would rather have carried on until 2020, facing Jeremy Corbyn day in day out, on the other side of the dispatch box, and then face him in a general election. That way, she`d have had nobody credible to oppose her, and 8 years in power for her party. Personally, I think this is a Godsend for Labour. Better to be wiped out now and reorganize under someone like Dan Jarvis, than limp impotently along the way they are at the moment. If her majority stays the same, will she have another vote to make sure the right MPs get in? If it weakens in leafy Remain areas where the Tories are under threat from the Lib Dems, will she have another vote to make sure the right MPs get in? |
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Post by baggins on Apr 19, 2017 12:05:06 GMT
What a complete and utter mess.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 19, 2017 12:11:52 GMT
What a complete and utter mess. Well, clean yourself up man. |
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Post by baggins on Apr 19, 2017 12:22:14 GMT
What a complete and utter mess. Well, clean yourself up man. Bloody pot noodle. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 12:33:51 GMT
Well, clean yourself up man. Bloody pot noodle. Bet you blame that on the Maid and give her a good thrashing with your riding crop eh! |
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Post by baggins on Apr 19, 2017 12:41:09 GMT
Bet you blame that on the Maid and give her a good thrashing with your riding crop eh! I have a person who thrashes the staff. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 13:05:53 GMT
Bet you blame that on the Maid and give her a good thrashing with your riding crop eh! I have a person who thrashes the staff. You let others get the sexual satisfaction do your dirty work ! |
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Post by baggins on Apr 19, 2017 13:12:34 GMT
I have a person who thrashes the staff. You let others get the sexual satisfaction do your dirty work ! Saves on the hand cream. |
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 19, 2017 14:22:29 GMT
It would, yes. It would be a bigger shock than Elvis Presley making a guest appearance at the Fleece and Firkin. Ooo, are tickets still available or can I pay on the door? No pay on the day. It`s now or never. |
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Apr 19, 2017 16:31:29 GMT
Imagine having £10 on a Brexit, Trump and Corbyn treble!
The cash out would be extreme!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 17:48:42 GMT
Imagine having £10 on a Brexit, Trump and Corbyn treble! The cash out would be extreme! You'd lose ten quid. |
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Post by jaggas on Apr 19, 2017 18:37:28 GMT
I don`t think it was a smart move really. I think it`s been pretty much forced upon her. I`m sure that she would rather have carried on until 2020, facing Jeremy Corbyn day in day out, on the other side of the dispatch box, and then face him in a general election. That way, she`d have had nobody credible to oppose her, and 8 years in power for her party. Personally, I think this is a Godsend for Labour. Better to be wiped out now and reorganize under someone like Dan Jarvis, than limp impotently along the way they are at the moment. If her majority stays the same, will she have another vote to make sure the right MPs get in? If it weakens in leafy Remain areas where the Tories are under threat from the Lib Dems, will she have another vote to make sure the right MPs get in? Where are the leafy remain areas that are under threat from the Lib Dems? I think you will find the traditional Lib Dem areas voted leave and the Tory areas were rather split.Most of the traditional Labour voters in the North voted to leave.The strongest remain vote came in Londonistan which is now a foreign state in the UK. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 19:23:36 GMT
If her majority stays the same, will she have another vote to make sure the right MPs get in? If it weakens in leafy Remain areas where the Tories are under threat from the Lib Dems, will she have another vote to make sure the right MPs get in? Where are the leafy remain areas that are under threat from the Lib Dems? I think you will find the traditional Lib Dem areas voted leave and the Tory areas were rather split.Most of the traditional Labour voters in the North voted to leave.The strongest remain vote came in Londonistan which is now a foreign state in the UK. Few other places than 'Londonistan' as you put it changed their vote from Lib Dem to Tory in 2015, then wanted to Remain last year (Surrey areas, Oxfordshire etc). Be interesting to see where that vote goes, because I think a change back is far more likely than Northern voters flocking from Labour to Tory as is expected. There's zero point assessing Labour's chances unfortunately, but its interesting that this is seen as a no brainer move from May. Wouldn't want any voters to get complacent now  If it doesn't completely go her way I wonder if she'll hold another election after. |
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Post by aghast on Apr 19, 2017 19:44:46 GMT
If this develops into a "soft Brexit" v. "hard Brexit" poll, the results might be interesting.
Clearly a majority of the population would be either remainers or leavers in favour of some form of agreement with the EU in exchange for access to the single market. Hard Brexiters, who would not be willing to settle for a deal which leaves us as a sort of affiliate member who pays the price (financially and/or free movement) for membership, must be a minority.
Therefore if this much-discussed hypothetical Labour-Liberal pact to push for a soft Brexit actually happens, and they manage to persuade people that the Tories are not going to be the ones to deliver that soft option, Mrs May might find herself wishing she'd never called the election.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 20:16:13 GMT
What on earth is this hard/soft Brexit nonsense? China, the US, South Korea etc etc etc all have access to this so-called free market. They don't have to pay anything to the EU. They do not have to accept free movement of people. They do not have to accept any laws created in Brussels. Why should the UK be treated any differently?
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Post by aghast on Apr 19, 2017 20:40:56 GMT
What on earth is this hard/soft Brexit nonsense? China, the US, South Korea etc etc etc all have access to this so-called free market. They don't have to pay anything to the EU. They do not have to accept free movement of people. They do not have to accept any laws created in Brussels. Why should the UK be treated any differently? Well let's just watch the campaign and see how tactics develop shall we? |
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Post by jaggas on Apr 19, 2017 20:59:47 GMT
Where are the leafy remain areas that are under threat from the Lib Dems? I think you will find the traditional Lib Dem areas voted leave and the Tory areas were rather split.Most of the traditional Labour voters in the North voted to leave.The strongest remain vote came in Londonistan which is now a foreign state in the UK. Few other places than 'Londonistan' as you put it changed their vote from Lib Dem to Tory in 2015, then wanted to Remain last year (Surrey areas, Oxfordshire etc). Be interesting to see where that vote goes, because I think a change back is far more likely than Northern voters flocking from Labour to Tory as is expected. There's zero point assessing Labour's chances unfortunately, but its interesting that this is seen as a no brainer move from May. Wouldn't want any voters to get complacent now If it doesn't completely go her way I wonder if she'll hold another election after. The capital is mainly Labour, the outskirts Tory no threat from Lib Dems.In the last election many countrywide defected from Labour to UKIP but I think the people who voted leave will vote Tory this time rather than UKIP as UKIP have now lost their charismatic leader who like it or not did appeal to the electorate. |
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Post by jaggas on Apr 19, 2017 21:16:42 GMT
Where are the leafy remain areas that are under threat from the Lib Dems? I think you will find the traditional Lib Dem areas voted leave and the Tory areas were rather split.Most of the traditional Labour voters in the North voted to leave.The strongest remain vote came in Londonistan which is now a foreign state in the UK. Few other places than 'Londonistan' as you put it changed their vote from Lib Dem to Tory in 2015, then wanted to Remain last year (Surrey areas, Oxfordshire etc). Be interesting to see where that vote goes, because I think a change back is far more likely than Northern voters flocking from Labour to Tory as is expected. There's zero point assessing Labour's chances unfortunately, but its interesting that this is seen as a no brainer move from May. Wouldn't want any voters to get complacent now If it doesn't completely go her way I wonder if she'll hold another election after. The majority that voted leave meant just that, I cannot see how leaving the EU is now being interpreted as remaining part of the customs union and the single market while paying for the privilege.How on earth is that scenario leaving the EU? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 19, 2017 22:05:43 GMT
What on earth is this hard/soft Brexit nonsense? China, the US, South Korea etc etc etc all have access to this so-called free market. They don't have to pay anything to the EU. They do not have to accept free movement of people. They do not have to accept any laws created in Brussels. Why should the UK be treated any differently? I appreciate that's a rhetorical question, but the Economist has a very brief explanation. My understanding is that it is pretty much down to tariffs. If you look at the recent Japan-Australian Free Trade Agreement, it didn't eliminate tariffs but reduced them. One example was their beef, Japan imposes a 38.5% tariffs which will be halved over 18 years www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2016/10/economist-explains-3www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-07/free-trade-agreement-explained-bilateral-fta-tpp/5371314 |
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