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Post by aghast on May 27, 2017 10:36:51 GMT
Why, apart from money for the land what's now in the deal for the UWE? Well, there are a number of potential pluses for UWE. Teaching space, occasional use of the stadium for student fixtures. Opportunities for business, media, sports etc students, to have direct experience of their chosen field in a real world commercial environment. The unique selling point of being the only university in the UK, with a professional football club and its stadium on site. And a lot of money. Trouble is, you don't know if we have offered some, all or none of that to UWE. Perhaps we want to charge them for the use of the stadium. Who knows?
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Post by Topper Gas on May 27, 2017 10:54:51 GMT
Why, apart from money for the land what's now in the deal for the UWE? Well, there are a number of potential pluses for UWE. Teaching space, occasional use of the stadium for student fixtures. Opportunities for business, media, sports etc students, to have direct experience of their chosen field in a real world commercial environment. The unique selling point of being the only university in the UK, with a professional football club and its stadium on site. And a lot of money.Wasn't that the NH plan but if DS will own the land and also the stadium then is the ground really on their site or simply built on land they formerly owned next to their site? I understand that was the issue with the valuing the land before Hani got involved but that was months ago, if we are still arguing over the land value now you do wonder if we'll ever reached an agreement.
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Post by alvestongas on May 27, 2017 11:47:15 GMT
So much guessing and double guessing going on! No one on here knows, only those who need to do - we will find out in due course when the time is right. UTG How do you know that nobody knows? You're just guessing about who's guessing. I don't think it wise to guess about who knows who's guessing and who guesses who knows. It was just a guess!
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on May 27, 2017 12:26:28 GMT
Pity the "family" didn't decide they didn't want to pay for a stadium before they bought the club. A piece of land with pp and infrastructure in place is not going to be cheap. No one can blame uwe for wanting market value for the land. I reckon you would be the happiest person in Chippenham if the stadium at UWE falls through. It is going to happen! To be fair, he probably is the happiest person in Chippenham.....
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on May 27, 2017 14:08:48 GMT
I reckon you would be the happiest person in Chippenham if the stadium at UWE falls through. It is going to happen! To be fair, he probably is the happiest person in Chippenham..... I live near Chippenham, and you're definitely right there. I don't think he can provide one shred of evidence for anything he says, whereas there's plenty of evidence that the owners can afford the stadium, have the backing from outside investors, and have repeatedly said that things are going ahead. I've said this before, but as fans, we don't have any God given right to be told everything that's going on behind the scenes at the club, even if we'd like to think that we do.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 14:21:33 GMT
To be fair, he probably is the happiest person in Chippenham..... I live near Chippenham, and you're definitely right there. I don't think he can provide one shred of evidence for anything he says, whereas there's plenty of evidence that the owners can afford the stadium, have the backing from outside investors, and have repeatedly said that things are going ahead. I've said this before, but as fans, we don't have any God given right to be told everything that's going on behind the scenes at the club, even if we'd like to think that we do. Can you remind me when the owners last said "that things are going ahead" - I recall the last statement we had from SH was back in January which was anything but what you are saying - perhaps I've missed something. I'm not sure you can provide a "shred of evidence" to back up any recent "repeated" statements from the chairman to say that things are still going ahead. This is the problem it's all conjecture - nobody (apart from the obvious) know anything - positive or negative.
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Post by gaelgas on May 27, 2017 14:42:42 GMT
I realise that I may be being a little jejune but haven't both the previous and current regimes made it clear that a new stadium is crucial for the continued growth, indeed survival, of the club? In the light of that it would seem strange that the current board would pursue the training complex if they were not pretty sure that the stadium project was going ahead. Why plough money into developing a state of the art training centre (as nice as it is too have it's no way near as essential as the new stadium) if the stadium is a not a done deal?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 14:55:05 GMT
I realise that I may be being a little jejune but haven't both the previous and current regimes made it clear that a new stadium is crucial for the continued growth, indeed survival, of the club? In the light of that it would seem strange that the current board would pursue the training complex if they were not pretty sure that the stadium project was going ahead. Why plough money into developing a state of the art training centre (as nice as it is too have it's no way near as essential as the new stadium) if the stadium is a not a done deal? I wish I could share your optimism about the stadium being "a done deal" With regard to the training ground - perhaps it was an opportunity at the time to purchase something which met their aspirations. It's hardly at the moment a huge financial commitment - plans have still to be submitted and building work to be started - who knows what's going on. Why am I a pessimist - because I've gone through life listening to too many optimists.
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Post by gasstrictband on May 27, 2017 15:15:03 GMT
Won't You Tell Me When ,by the Applejacks.
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Post by Gastroenteritis on May 27, 2017 15:42:55 GMT
Well my source has heard from his source (this bit is not a joke) that the Al Quadis are getting frustrated with UWE for dragging their heels. Apparently a final deal is on the table, presumably a moddest one for both parties concerned, but the UWE are not accepting expecting a more fovourable deal. However this is not to say they aren't but expect this to go the distance and potentially collapse. The other thing I've heard is the land at the colony is our stadium plan B. I tend to take this stuff with a pinch of salt as roumours end up becoming roumours of more roumours. How up to date is your source with info as I was told this by somebody ITK months ago before Mr AQL took over negotiations direct with the UWE. I thought the latest from SH was a deal had been agreed and we just needed to come up with the money? The Colony purchase does seem an odd one given plans for the new training ground still haven't been submitted but the chances of it being Plan B are virtually zero. f@ck knows, I got the impression something else had come up. The problem is I don't think there is anybody close enough to the inner circle to actually get credible info anymore, yeah maybe under higgs but not with the Al Quadis. Like I said, I take this stuff with a pinch of salt. What does seem strange to me is the fact there is "supposedly" no plan b, surely a shrewd negotiator would want to go into negotiations with the UWE with a backup plan to threaten them with. From the UWE's perspective they're probably thinking they hold all the cards. As for our position, we need a stadium more than they do. I believe south glos council want a stadium, I also believe they would help make it happen at the colony regardless of what others say on her about infrastructure etc.
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Post by yategas78 on May 27, 2017 16:36:39 GMT
I still reckon the MEM is the plan B and there will be a total rebuild🌄
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Post by Topper Gas on May 27, 2017 16:41:51 GMT
Let's forget about The Colony has being an alternative site when the present plans even restrict the club from charging for fans to watch our Academy games.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 17:04:07 GMT
I still reckon the MEM is the plan B and there will be a total rebuild🌄 Serious question - do you think the AQ's will stay around for that option? - IMO not a chance!!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 27, 2017 17:26:34 GMT
I still reckon the MEM is the plan B and there will be a total rebuild🌄 Serious question - do you think the AQ's will stay around for that option? - IMO not a chance!! No, they will build somewhere else instead. Building a new ground is the best (only??) way they will get their money back. They are not stupid people
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Post by Topper Gas on May 27, 2017 18:12:26 GMT
Serious question - do you think the AQ's will stay around for that option? - IMO not a chance!! No, they will build somewhere else instead. Building a new ground is the best (only??) way they will get their money back. They are not stupid people I think we'll get the answer to that in August, as far them building somewhere else, I won't hold my breath.
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Post by garystash on May 27, 2017 18:36:23 GMT
No, they will build somewhere else instead. Building a new ground is the best (only??) way they will get their money back. They are not stupid people I think we'll get the answer to that in August, as far them building somewhere else, I won't hold my breath. Why is there always a negative attitude in your posts?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 19:16:14 GMT
No, they will build somewhere else instead. Building a new ground is the best (only??) way they will get their money back. They are not stupid people I think we'll get the answer to that in August, as far them building somewhere else, I won't hold my breath. So Wael and his family purchased ragbag Rovers, a club with a good fan base and planning permission for a much needed new ground and have no intention of building one. That begs the question, why purchase our club in the first place, after all there hardly likely to make any money while we remain playing in one of the worst grounds in the entire football league. I personally have supported this club for over sixty years and as far as I am concerned the present owners deserve a little more of my patience, it's a pity some on here are not prepared to do the same
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 19:24:58 GMT
I think we'll get the answer to that in August, as far them building somewhere else, I won't hold my breath. So Wael and his family purchased ragbag Rovers, a club with a good fan base and planning permission for a much needed new ground and have no intention of building one. That begs the question, why purchase our club in the first place, after all there hardly likely to make any money while we remain playing in one of the worst grounds in the entire football league. I personally have supported this club for over sixty years and as far as I am concerned the present owners deserve a little more of my patience, it's a pity some on here are not prepared to do the same You've still got patience? How did you start with so much!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 19:48:49 GMT
So Wael and his family purchased ragbag Rovers, a club with a good fan base and planning permission for a much needed new ground and have no intention of building one. That begs the question, why purchase our club in the first place, after all there hardly likely to make any money while we remain playing in one of the worst grounds in the entire football league. I personally have supported this club for over sixty years and as far as I am concerned the present owners deserve a little more of my patience, it's a pity some on here are not prepared to do the same You've still got patience? How did you start with so much! Lost my patience many times over my time supporting the gas Simon, having said that am quite prepared to give our new owners more than the fifteen months or so they have been in the driving seat. All previous regimes have had far more time than that and all they have managed to deliver off the field is a move to Bath and manage to get us a move back to Bristol to share with a failing Rugby club. if that had not happened its anybodys guess where we would be now.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 20:02:42 GMT
I think we'll get the answer to that in August, as far them building somewhere else, I won't hold my breath. w That begs the question, why purchase our club in the first place, after all there hardly likely to make any money while we remain playing in one of the worst grounds in the entire football league. I personally have supported this club for over sixty years and as far as I am concerned the present owners deserve a little more of my patience, it's a pity some on here are not prepared to evdo the same No one has suggested that they had/have no intention of building a new ground. I'm sure they bought the club with best intentions but something IMO is clearly causing them big problems - few of us as yet know what these problems are or indeed if they can be overcome. I agree speculation has been rife but human nature prevails and there are real concerns by many of the fan base (not just the people on here with their opinions) but the fan base as a whole. When the club was taken over 16 months ago there was a real sense of optimism with just about everyone, the club would now start moving (at last) in the right direction with some really positive statements being made at the time of takeover. The last four months has been tedious with nothing positive (or indeed negative to be fair) coming out of the club and that will split the fan base with people's own thoughts being spoken. SH has gone on record and stated that a deal has to be completed with UWE by August - time is rapidly running out and people are understandably becoming nervous as many people believe that this is a sh&it or bust situation with no obvious (IMO) plan B. i have supported Bristol Rovers since 1953 - I was a member of the supporters club as a boy - I am a season ticket holder now and supported them religiously (apart from my playing days when I only got to see them when I could) as are my sons and grandchildren today. I've seen almost 30 managers come and go - hundreds of players and numerous BoD's but I'm still here as are many of my contempories. I am genuinely concerned about my club - not particularly about UWE - but I accept to move forward we need a new beginning in a new Stadium. There have been so many false dawns - I just hope this isn't the latest. I've lived with "patience" for well over sixty years but it's surely being stretched now - call me negative if you wish but it's the way I feel - I don't really need to be told to be patient any more.
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