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Post by oldmarket65 on Jun 14, 2017 16:21:56 GMT
To say the TORIES haven't messed up the country many times is total denial. I can't even be assed to list the many failures as i have been on a hot building site since 7.00am this morning working hard. To say people are influenced by parents / community etc is partly true but still don't explain the full story.
It is suggested by research around 30-35% are core Labour or Tory voters ( eg 70%). However: anything up to 40% are undecided and people should respect and listen to this large group of voters. The main reason why this large group who are undecided vote and often protest is that they are " dissatisfied with the main government". If the government who are in power fail to listen they will be punished.
It is true sadly Tony Blair became slightly conceited and my party suffered in the 2010 election because of this. However: the present TORY party and it's supporters are showing the same level of denial and blame culture Blair exhibited. If you mess with the 40% and start patronising them or blaming other people too often. Then it will be a road to failure.
No government is bigger or better then these people and they should be treated with fear and respect. Finally: if I was a TORY now or even a Labour supporter as I am. I won't be too concerned about giving the opposition stick . I would be more concerned how .. We lost so many voters ? What is the 40% saying to us ? why did they leave in such large numbers ?. How can we get them back ??.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 16:34:48 GMT
Jesus wept. What a cockwomble. And there we have it, the real face of the left , chap/chapess unlike you i would partake a pint with knowing our politics are very different as is your right. I believe in your freedom of speech to say whatever you want, even though i disagree with your post i will fight to defend it . and there is the difference i believe you have the right to believe in what you want and say what you want and i will defend your right to it ,on the other hand it appears from your post that you are one of those who believe in free speech and though only as long as you agree with it, it also appears to be a labour trend  Real face of the left my ass,i'm more left than right wing, that's his personal view and it ain't mine. I have friends of all political persuasion,we may differ in our views but they're still decent people. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 14, 2017 17:27:24 GMT
sadly, Kingswood ( due to boundary changes that added Bitton & other rural areas) is Blue. Skidmore is the worst constituency MP ever Complete rubbish. Bristol is full of lunatics who jump on every leftist bandwagon going. The state of the place is borderline ridiculous. Ask yourself why NOTHING GETS DONE! The country voted Tory and Kingswood voted with the majority. This Labour manifesto has really sucked people in and I thought it was just the students looking for freebies that fell for it? Do the maths ffs. There speaks a true former forces man. You seems to have a pathological fear and loathing of politics to the left of centre. If you think the boundary changes never had an input then I have nothing else to say to you. Kingswood was Labour from 92-2010, then the boundary changed. Do YOUR research ffs ! |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 14, 2017 17:30:03 GMT
I wouldnt mind at all if all the tory rovers fans fuc*** off and supported city,ok our average gate would drop from 9,300 to 9,265 but it would be worth it in my view. Oh? Actually now you mention the relationship between supporters and political leanings..I can see the posting trend. You come across as a confused, whingy sort of fellow. Typical of a student or a long term benefit claimer you'd find in a pub. Someone hasn't had their leg over. Why so angry ? |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 14, 2017 17:30:18 GMT
I wouldnt mind at all if all the tory rovers fans fuc*** off and supported city,ok our average gate would drop from 9,300 to 9,265 but it would be worth it in my view. Oh? Actually now you mention the relationship between supporters and political leanings..I can see the posting trend. You come across as a confused, whingy sort of fellow. Typical of a student or a long term benefit claimer you'd find in a pub. Someone hasn't had their leg over. Why so angry ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 21:08:41 GMT
Kp. I don't get angry.
Talking about Roger Berry has no bearing on the recent or present.
Kingswood voted with the majority of UK and Bristol is full of lunatics. That cannot be argued.
We are an oddity of the SW. Kingswood also voted leave which was obviously at odds with Bristol-the city that gets nothing done.
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Post by Somersetgas on Jun 14, 2017 21:18:49 GMT
To say the TORIES haven't messed up the country many times is total denial. I can't even be assed to list the many failures as i have been on a hot building site since 7.00am this morning working hard. To say people are influenced by parents / community etc is partly true but still don't explain the full story. It is suggested by research around 30-35% are core Labour or Tory voters ( eg 70%). However: anything up to 40% are undecided and people should respect and listen to this large group of voters. The main reason why this large group who are undecided vote and often protest is that they are " dissatisfied with the main government". If the government who are in power fail to listen they will be punished. It is true sadly Tony Blair became slightly conceited and my party suffered in the 2010 election because of this. However: the present TORY party and it's supporters are showing the same level of denial and blame culture Blair exhibited. If you mess with the 40% and start patronising them or blaming other people too often. Then it will be a road to failure. No government is bigger or better then these people and they should be treated with fear and respect. Finally: if I was a TORY now or even a Labour supporter as I am. I won't be too concerned about giving the opposition stick . I would be more concerned how .. We lost so many voters ? What is the 40% saying to us ? why did they leave in such large numbers ?. How can we get them back ??. Torries will always defend Maggie, she's their hero, she never did any wrong in their eyes..... May is following in her footsteps, hunched over shouting strong and stable in her sleep. The normal person is wrong, thankfully most of Bristol saw sense and voted them out. Shame it didn't happen where I live but Labour made massive gains, The Torries are stumbling scared to the exit door. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 22:03:21 GMT
When you think the post war labour/ attlee goverment introduced the national health service,the welfare state and built countless wonderful council houses for ordinary people but clement attlee didnt get a state funeral. But hey-ho the women that destroyed our manufacturing industry,acted despicably in the miners strike and the hillsborough disaster and introduced mass unemployment to our nation actually got one. You couldnt make it up Lets not forget that under labour the number of council houses being built was cut Lets not forget under labour the nhs has also been underfunded Lets not forget under labour coal mines were shutting down at an alarming rate Lets not forget under labour the unions held the government to ransom Lets not forget under labour a deal was done with the libs welsh and scottish nationalists and the ulster unionists Lets not forget under labour bLair destabilized the middle east upon a fabricated whim and then had the fecking neck to get a job there to try and bring peace Lets not forget under labour Brown refused to burn the poppy fields as the farmers would go hungry, never mind the devastation opiated bring to the rest of the world Lets not forget under labour unemployment figure are massaged Lets not forget under labour no attempt has been made to renationalise the industries privatised by the tories. Lets not forget under labour the party was turn't into a mild form of tory party. Lets not forget under labour bLair bought in almost one new law a day I will stop there ,as yes the tories made mistakes but so do labour For me personally the blair years were of no use to me as i just didnt have anyone to vote for only a choice of 2 conservative parties. Now i feel i can vote for and enjoy getting behind a labour party doing what a labour party should do,standing up for ordinary people and their rights. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 22:05:15 GMT
What's an ordinary person then?
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Post by Somersetgas on Jun 14, 2017 22:10:49 GMT
What's an ordinary person then? Someone without acres of land and who doesn't enjoy fox hunting. Gets up goes to work and cares about others and the world they live in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 6:06:11 GMT
What's an ordinary person then? Someone without acres of land and who doesn't enjoy fox hunting. Gets up goes to work and cares about others and the world they live in. Well that flies in the face of many Labour voters! Getting up and going to work? Hahaha! |
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Post by LJG on Jun 15, 2017 6:24:42 GMT
What's an ordinary person then? Someone without acres of land and who doesn't enjoy fox hunting. Gets up goes to work and cares about others and the world they live in. What about people like Emily Thornberry who own five council houses? A person can't live on acres of agricultural land. They could live in an ex council house. |
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Post by peterparker on Jun 15, 2017 7:04:38 GMT
What's an ordinary person then? Someone without acres of land and who doesn't enjoy fox hunting. Gets up goes to work and cares about others and the world they live in. What about Tory voters who actually earned their millions, employ hundreds, pay loads of tax via personal or businesses etc, etc. I guess they aren't real, ordinary people.
or the hypocrites in the Labour party, who are against private/grammar schools, but send their kids to them anyway, of course Labour now have a man of principle in charge after all, he left his wife over disagreeing with sending his son to private school, because he is a man of the people
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 7:09:18 GMT
I've never tried Fox hunting?
I think I'd like it though.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Jun 15, 2017 8:14:43 GMT
Lets not forget that under labour the number of council houses being built was cut Lets not forget under labour the nhs has also been underfunded Lets not forget under labour coal mines were shutting down at an alarming rate Lets not forget under labour the unions held the government to ransom Lets not forget under labour a deal was done with the libs welsh and scottish nationalists and the ulster unionists Lets not forget under labour bLair destabilized the middle east upon a fabricated whim and then had the fecking neck to get a job there to try and bring peace Lets not forget under labour Brown refused to burn the poppy fields as the farmers would go hungry, never mind the devastation opiated bring to the rest of the world Lets not forget under labour unemployment figure are massaged Lets not forget under labour no attempt has been made to renationalise the industries privatised by the tories. Lets not forget under labour the party was turn't into a mild form of tory party. Lets not forget under labour bLair bought in almost one new law a day I will stop there ,as yes the tories made mistakes but so do labour For me personally the blair years were of no use to me as i just didnt have anyone to vote for only a choice of 2 conservative parties. Now i feel i can vote for and enjoy getting behind a labour party doing what a labour party should do,standing up for ordinary people and their rights. Trotting out the usual Labour denial line, it was the Labour party then and it's the Labour party now the same party that has always been funded by the unions. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 10:37:32 GMT
For me personally the blair years were of no use to me as i just didnt have anyone to vote for only a choice of 2 conservative parties. Now i feel i can vote for and enjoy getting behind a labour party doing what a labour party should do,standing up for ordinary people and their rights. Trotting out the usual Labour denial line, it was the Labour party then and it's the Labour party now the same party that has always been funded by the unions. Amazed that anyone cant tell the difference between "new labour" and the labour party we now have. |
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Post by countygroundhotel on Jun 15, 2017 10:46:06 GMT
Trotting out the usual Labour denial line, it was the Labour party then and it's the Labour party now the same party that has always been funded by the unions. Amazed that anyone cant tell the difference between "new labour" and the labour party we now have. In 2014 Rovers were crap in 2017 we're a lot better at both times we were Bristol Rovers. Same with Labour or did I miss the creation of a new political party? Labour supporters are quick to take the credit for something like setting up the NHS but by your definition that was a completely different party. No backbone on the left to take responsibility when things go wrong so when they go well |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 11:46:09 GMT
Amazed that anyone cant tell the difference between "new labour" and the labour party we now have. In 2014 Rovers were crap in 2017 we're a lot better at both times we were Bristol Rovers. Same with Labour or did I miss the creation of a new political party? Labour supporters are quick to take the credit for something like setting up the NHS but by your definition that was a completely different party. No backbone on the left to take responsibility when things go wrong so when they go well The labour party that set up the nhs after the war was a socialist party just like the party is now,blair re-invented the party as a means of getting elected but during that era it in no way represented what myself and many others believe labour should stand for. Blair won elections so the rovers comparison is lame. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 13:18:31 GMT
Totally disagree with you. How can you claim to follow Keynes fiscal policy only 50% of the time? 1. They didn't. They followed it all of the time. The debt was reduced in real terms during the good times.
2. So you are saying that if you have done the wrong thing, you should continue doing the wrong thing regardless?
To simplify...... Good times - reduce spending, reduce taxation, reduce debt. Bad times - increase spending, increase taxation, increase debt. Fiscal stimulus. Labour - good times - increased spending, increased taxation, increased debt. Labour - bad times - no fiscal stimulus available. There was nothing left. But if haven't done the first part, you cannot achieve the second part. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jun 15, 2017 16:42:15 GMT
The Tories are so brilliant they have won 1 election outright in 20 years ( 2015). Since then they have lost the leader David Cameron and replaced him with an unelected women. Ms U - turn narrowly won the elections and is now held up by a minority party in Ireland. According to George Osborne she will only last a few months. Lord Heseltine said " Brexit is the cancer of the far right". And John Major said " He will not talk to Northern Irish parties". The Only real gains was by a liberal thinking Gay women in Scotland ( Scottish Tory) who said " She is uncomfortable with the religious views of the DUP". And the party have blamed the spin- doctors and P.R machine as " Monsters".
So how can any Tory give advice if they have only experienced 2 years in the last 20 of pure Conservative ?? It would be like a Blackpool fan giving advice on how to survive 'top flight' football. George Osborne summed it up well " What took us 7-10 years to build up and become is likely to fade very soon" . The Tory party is a complete mess after 2 years of pure rule and we will have to go back to 1992 since they won an election.
You could ask Maggie Thacther or Tony Blair for advice but not losers or short term replacements.
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