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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 6:30:03 GMT
That's not what's important is it? well your a bigot,a racist and your well ard so i am a bit scared. Luckily your thick so im not quite as scared Cheers! Hahaha!! Flipping heck, are you ok or what? I monitor DMs if you need to chat privately?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 18, 2017 10:12:16 GMT
well your a bigot,a racist and your well ard so i am a bit scared. Luckily your thick so im not quite as scared Cheers! Hahaha!! Flipping heck, are you ok or what? I monitor DMs if you need to chat privately? Heh Heh. You're an ugly wimp too.
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Post by inee on Jun 18, 2017 11:44:48 GMT
That's not what's important is it? well your a bigot,a racist and your well ard so i am a bit scared. Luckily your thick so im not quite as scared Dear oh dear is that the limit of your discussion abilities ,you posed a series of questions and i answered from personal experience ,you ignored my counter points and focused on a tragedy to try and refocus the thread from your inability to calmly debate and discus things ,not satisfied with that you bring out the classic oh your racist to another poster who incidentally shares some of the views i do (bear in mind theres not a lot g79 and i agree on but he has the intelligence to debate(and he's a baldy bleeder)) . So is it too much to ask someone of your obviously highly intellectual person to discuss things you raised without trying to play top trumps in the discussion and avoid name calling (if you carry on name calling i'm going tell the dinner ladies and slip a note in your lunchbox so you get told off when you get home from school ). Oh and is it possible for you to back up your claim that g79 is a or has been racist in this thread (thought not
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Post by inee on Jun 18, 2017 11:47:16 GMT
There are a lot of strong views expressed here and I really hate to moderate non Rovers chat, but can we perhaps get back to rational debate and not petty name calling. If you press that button hugo i will remove the tips of your fingers with my wifes python and put super glue on the back of your neck, so when you look behind you you wont look forward again. in hindsight i offer tom as you asked about a petty name TAXI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by inee on Jun 18, 2017 12:22:49 GMT
The national anthem? Royal crest? Royal Buildings and estate? Endorsements, awards, charities? Military. Head of state for Commonwealth countries? History itself? Our country's influence is affected by the Royal Family. The national anthem does not affect tourism nor our economic outlook Most, if not all, tourists would not be able to identify the Crest. In fact the majority of Brits could not Buildings and estates would remain as part of the National Trust The costs savings would replace item 4 The military is not dependent on the Monarchy, but serves the people, and is funded by the peopleAny alliance of countries does not need a monarchy to head it up History would not change because of a change to our constitution The military pledge an oath of allegiance to Her Majesty the Queen , which includes the words below, "that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, her heirs and successors and that I will, as in duty bound, honestly and faithfully defend Her Majesty" I know i did as did many others , the only exception to this was The Royal Navy and Royal Marines , who by signing their papers were assumed to be bound to the oath (as the RN are the senior service and serves under Royal prerogative) but i believe the navy now include the oath. So no the armed forces never have and never will their first and only duty is to serve Her Majesty in whatever role she deems necessary again officers are commissioned by the Queen to serve in those roles. did you knows that a commision in the british army takes approx 44 weeks to obtain ,compared to the 15 Months it take in the Royal Marines. I have said on many occasions that if i ever had to bear arms it would be for Queen and i would never ever take an oath that had the words country in them. So i would willingly bear arms for the Queen but never bear arms for the country only the police swear an oath to protect the public ,up until recently it was an oath to the queen and to protect her subjects, however this changed to the version we have to day(cowardly government changes)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 12:25:52 GMT
The national anthem does not affect tourism nor our economic outlook Most, if not all, tourists would not be able to identify the Crest. In fact the majority of Brits could not Buildings and estates would remain as part of the National Trust The costs savings would replace item 4 The military is not dependent on the Monarchy, but serves the people, and is funded by the peopleAny alliance of countries does not need a monarchy to head it up History would not change because of a change to our constitution The military pledge an oath of allegiance to Her Majesty the Queen , which includes the words below, "that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, her heirs and successors and that I will, as in duty bound, honestly and faithfully defend Her Majesty" I know i did as did many others , the only exception to this was The Royal Navy and Royal Marines , who by signing their papers were assumed to be bound to the oath (as the RN are the senior service and serves under Royal prerogative) but i believe the navy now include the oath. So no the armed forces never have and never will their first and only duty is to serve Her Majesty in whatever role she deems necessary again officers are commissioned by the Queen to serve in those roles. did you knows that a commision in the british army takes approx 44 weeks to obtain ,compared to the 15 Months it take in the Royal Marines. I have said on many occasions that if i ever had to bear arms it would be for Queen and i would never ever take an oath that had the words country in them. So i would willingly bear arms for the Queen but never bear arms for the country only the police swear an oath to protect the public ,up until recently it was an oath to the queen and to protect her subjects, however this changed to the version we have to day(cowardly government changes) An anachronism, and quite unbelievable that you would think like that. Not a patriot then, I presume?
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Post by inee on Jun 18, 2017 12:32:26 GMT
Inherited wealth like Tony Benn possessed you mean? Which Hilary Benn then inherited and made the most of Inheritance Tax exemptions to pay ad little as possible. That sort of inherited wealth? Property that was handed down to Tony Benn who went to court to stop ramblers following a public right of way across his land? That the sort of "Tory" you're talking about? Sure Tony Benn didn't take up his title but he didn't give up the hereditary income that went with it. He never mentioned that part. Because he was a hypocrite. Just like Hilary is now. Policy not individuals, or you lose the focus and real point Surely that is hypocritical as you cant have one and not the other ,to me it's black and white , what is interesting is that people in high office especially those with leftist leanings all bleat on about everyone being equal ,then going on to be extremely rich and break their policy's for personal gain , look back through history even recent history to see this happening, and it's not just leaders of countries but also those allegedly close to the people ,in all honesty i cant think of one country run under so called socialist rule where everyone was treated as an equal , i'm not digging at those at grass root levels who blindly follow the principles, but those above.
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Post by inee on Jun 18, 2017 12:55:40 GMT
The military pledge an oath of allegiance to Her Majesty the Queen , which includes the words below, "that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, her heirs and successors and that I will, as in duty bound, honestly and faithfully defend Her Majesty" I know i did as did many others , the only exception to this was The Royal Navy and Royal Marines , who by signing their papers were assumed to be bound to the oath (as the RN are the senior service and serves under Royal prerogative) but i believe the navy now include the oath. So no the armed forces never have and never will their first and only duty is to serve Her Majesty in whatever role she deems necessary again officers are commissioned by the Queen to serve in those roles. did you knows that a commision in the british army takes approx 44 weeks to obtain ,compared to the 15 Months it take in the Royal Marines. I have said on many occasions that if i ever had to bear arms it would be for Queen and i would never ever take an oath that had the words country in them. So i would willingly bear arms for the Queen but never bear arms for the country only the police swear an oath to protect the public ,up until recently it was an oath to the queen and to protect her subjects, however this changed to the version we have to day(cowardly government changes) An anachronism, and quite unbelievable that you would think like that. Not a patriot then, I presume? Interesting choice of words there nothing old fashioned about what i said, more realist ,i could never pick up arms under the direction of a labour government ,however i would gladly pick up arms on direction of our Monarchy ,It doesn't require much thought as to why ,i suspect many on here and on the streets would pick up arms for the government and not the Queen etc. Patriot that depends on your interpretation ,Do i love England of course i do ,would i defend her yes i would ,but only if asked to do so by Her Majesty(who incidentally is English by birth ). My point being how could i bear arms for a government who don't see themselves as English(Scottish ,Northern Irish or Welsh) But see themselves as european , i couldn't care less if europe disappeared tomorrow.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 18, 2017 13:23:25 GMT
An anachronism, and quite unbelievable that you would think like that. Not a patriot then, I presume? Interesting choice of words there nothing old fashioned about what i said, more realist ,i could never pick up arms under the direction of a labour government ,however i would gladly pick up arms on direction of our Monarchy ,It doesn't require much thought as to why ,i suspect many on here and on the streets would pick up arms for the government and not the Queen etc. Patriot that depends on your interpretation ,Do i love England of course i do ,would i defend her yes i would ,but only if asked to do so by Her Majesty(who incidentally is English by birth ). My point being how could i bear arms for a government who don't see themselves as English(Scottish ,Northern Irish or Welsh) But see themselves as european , i couldn't care less if europe disappeared tomorrow. English by birth?? If a horse is born in a pig pen, it's still a horse. She's German. And her Husband is Greek.
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Post by inee on Jun 18, 2017 14:14:37 GMT
Interesting choice of words there nothing old fashioned about what i said, more realist ,i could never pick up arms under the direction of a labour government ,however i would gladly pick up arms on direction of our Monarchy ,It doesn't require much thought as to why ,i suspect many on here and on the streets would pick up arms for the government and not the Queen etc. Patriot that depends on your interpretation ,Do i love England of course i do ,would i defend her yes i would ,but only if asked to do so by Her Majesty(who incidentally is English by birth ). My point being how could i bear arms for a government who don't see themselves as English(Scottish ,Northern Irish or Welsh) But see themselves as european , i couldn't care less if europe disappeared tomorrow. English by birth?? If a horse is born in a pig pen, it's still a horse. She's German. And her Husband is Greek. How so ,so by your definition no one is english correct ,how do you identify yourself based on what you said. The reality is if your born in england you are english simple as ,the only real exceptions of that is if you are born abroad but working and living on british soil ,an example sister in law was born in germany but is english as she was born into a military family. How do you define being english ,Me i'm english by birth ,Bristolian by the grace of my parents
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 14:50:25 GMT
English by birth?? If a horse is born in a pig pen, it's still a horse. She's German. And her Husband is Greek. How so ,so by your definition no one is english correct ,how do you identify yourself based on what you said. The reality is if your born in england you are english simple as ,the only real exceptions of that is if you are born abroad but working and living on british soil ,an example sister in law was born in germany but is english as she was born into a military family. How do you define being english ,Me i'm english by birth ,Bristolian by the grace of my parents By her true family name? Saxe Coburg? By the fact that her uncle, whilst this country was under its greatest threat for centuries, was a Nazi sympathiser (one you would have fought for by your own admission)? Add to that her mother was a gin swimming racist (although that qualifies her as a member of the English establishment!)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 14:51:46 GMT
How so ,so by your definition no one is english correct ,how do you identify yourself based on what you said. The reality is if your born in england you are english simple as ,the only real exceptions of that is if you are born abroad but working and living on british soil ,an example sister in law was born in germany but is english as she was born into a military family. How do you define being english ,Me i'm english by birth ,Bristolian by the grace of my parents By her true family name? Saxe Coburg? By the fact that her uncle, whilst this country was under its greatest threat for centuries, was a Nazi sympathiser (one you would have fought for by your own admission)? Add to that her mother was a gin swimming racist (although that qualifies her as a member of the English establishment!) **swilling ** ha ha
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Post by inee on Jun 18, 2017 15:48:33 GMT
By her true family name? Saxe Coburg? By the fact that her uncle, whilst this country was under its greatest threat for centuries, was a Nazi sympathiser (one you would have fought for by your own admission)? Add to that her mother was a gin swimming racist (although that qualifies her as a member of the English establishment!) **swilling ** ha ha swimming in gin that would bloody hurt that would . she was born and bred in england so she's 100% english ,how would you identify yourself ,do you drive or ever have driven or owned a ford , have you ever benefited or used ibm software, ever drank fanta or coke cola ,would you accept treatment for hypothermia etc (as relevant as the Queens old name) . do you mean he was a sympathiser of the nsdap as were many in this country unfortunately. I feel singling out the QM all that does really is show how a lot of people were back then do i condone it nope ,however it was a different time and different place ,there are not many examples of this just a few that i could find. fight for the third reich ,nope sorry i wouldn't have ,things were different back then.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 17:06:16 GMT
Interesting choice of words there nothing old fashioned about what i said, more realist ,i could never pick up arms under the direction of a labour government ,however i would gladly pick up arms on direction of our Monarchy ,It doesn't require much thought as to why ,i suspect many on here and on the streets would pick up arms for the government and not the Queen etc. Patriot that depends on your interpretation ,Do i love England of course i do ,would i defend her yes i would ,but only if asked to do so by Her Majesty(who incidentally is English by birth ). My point being how could i bear arms for a government who don't see themselves as English(Scottish ,Northern Irish or Welsh) But see themselves as european , i couldn't care less if europe disappeared tomorrow. English by birth?? If a horse is born in a pig pen, it's still a horse. She's German. And her Husband is Greek. Her mum was born in London.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 17:27:41 GMT
swimming in gin that would bloody hurt that would . she was born and bred in england so she's 100% english ,how would you identify yourself ,do you drive or ever have driven or owned a ford , have you ever benefited or used ibm software, ever drank fanta or coke cola ,would you accept treatment for hypothermia etc (as relevant as the Queens old name) . do you mean he was a sympathiser of the nsdap as were many in this country unfortunately. I feel singling out the QM all that does really is show how a lot of people were back then do i condone it nope ,however it was a different time and different place ,there are not many examples of this just a few that i could find. fight for the third reich ,nope sorry i wouldn't have ,things were different back then. As it happens I can trace my ethnic background to the 12th century as an Anglo Saxon. My surname means "Free from Tie" which tells you all you need to know. As for Edward being a in line with a few, well that's great as the king (before he abdicated) and you would have fought for him. You should really consider your blind faith.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 18, 2017 18:18:15 GMT
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Post by aghast on Jun 18, 2017 20:16:55 GMT
That's the trouble with immigrants. They come here because their Great-Uncle twice removed has a British passport. The pretend they're just like us, but actually they can't stand us and our horrible ways. They take the best housing, never do an honest day's work in their life, breed like rabbits, and before you know where you are they've taken over the whole bloody country. Makes me sick. And that, my friends, is why I voted UKIP.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 21:46:56 GMT
well your a bigot,a racist and your well ard so i am a bit scared. Luckily your thick so im not quite as scared Dear oh dear is that the limit of your discussion abilities ,you posed a series of questions and i answered from personal experience ,you ignored my counter points and focused on a tragedy to try and refocus the thread from your inability to calmly debate and discus things ,not satisfied with that you bring out the classic oh your racist to another poster who incidentally shares some of the views i do (bear in mind theres not a lot g79 and i agree on but he has the intelligence to debate(and he's a baldy bleeder)) . So is it too much to ask someone of your obviously highly intellectual person to discuss things you raised without trying to play top trumps in the discussion and avoid name calling (if you carry on name calling i'm going tell the dinner ladies and slip a note in your lunchbox so you get told off when you get home from school ). Oh and is it possible for you to back up your claim that g79 is a or has been racist in this thread (thought not Look through g79"s posts on this thread,at least one of his replies is blatantly racist or maybe hatred of a particular religion. I quote gas79 in one of his replies to me "since so many of these victims are of a religious mindset,maybe this was gods work?"
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 18, 2017 22:21:18 GMT
Interesting choice of words there nothing old fashioned about what i said, more realist ,i could never pick up arms under the direction of a labour government ,however i would gladly pick up arms on direction of our Monarchy ,It doesn't require much thought as to why ,i suspect many on here and on the streets would pick up arms for the government and not the Queen etc. Patriot that depends on your interpretation ,Do i love England of course i do ,would i defend her yes i would ,but only if asked to do so by Her Majesty(who incidentally is English by birth ). My point being how could i bear arms for a government who don't see themselves as English(Scottish ,Northern Irish or Welsh) But see themselves as european , i couldn't care less if europe disappeared tomorrow. English by birth?? If a horse is born in a pig pen, it's still a horse. She's German. And her Husband is Greek. Not sure if you are being serious or not, but assuming you are then you've contradicted yourself. Phil was born in Greece but spent longer in Paris than Greece before moving to the UK. If the Queen can't be English by birth then Phil can't be Greek by birth either. incidentally, if you trace the Queen's lineage you will find Danish blood before German. My Great Grandmother was born in Dublin, doesn't make me Irish.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 18, 2017 23:23:28 GMT
swimming in gin that would bloody hurt that would . she was born and bred in england so she's 100% english ,how would you identify yourself ,do you drive or ever have driven or owned a ford , have you ever benefited or used ibm software, ever drank fanta or coke cola ,would you accept treatment for hypothermia etc (as relevant as the Queens old name) . do you mean he was a sympathiser of the nsdap as were many in this country unfortunately. I feel singling out the QM all that does really is show how a lot of people were back then do i condone it nope ,however it was a different time and different place ,there are not many examples of this just a few that i could find. fight for the third reich ,nope sorry i wouldn't have ,things were different back then. As it happens I can trace my ethnic background to the 12th century as an Anglo Saxon. My surname means "Free from Tie" which tells you all you need to know. As for Edward being a in line with a few, well that's great as the king (before he abdicated) and you would have fought for him. You should really consider your blind faith. Surnames were introduced by the Normans as a way of taxing people more efficiently and they only follow the father's side. As for Edward VIII, Parliament has proven on several occasions in the past that monarchs can be gotten rid of. They control the purse strings for a start. Parliament is sovereign despite any window dressing.
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