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Post by inee on Jun 19, 2017 12:20:04 GMT
Attachment DeletedAttachment DeletedAttachment DeletedSo what do the salutes have in common , the salute was introduced as a socialist pledge of allegiance to the us flag ,it wasn't until the early 40's that america dropped it. did you also know what the 3rd reich swastika represents yup you guessed it socialism ,it takes the form os 2 s's . Yes it make my nipples bleed when people don't understand the origins of the salute and swastika ,and assume far right leanings when used even in their original form. No one in their right mind can see anything sinister in the photo of a 7 year old future Queen . Opinion is divided on the queen mother as some say she had sympathies with nsdap , others say she didn't and thats why she chose to remain in london. So i guess we'll never know but for me it's an interesting subject that i will look into
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Post by inee on Jun 19, 2017 12:21:21 GMT
That post was not racist by any stretch of imagination ,i actually do feel sorry for people who cannot distinguish between religion and so called race , i agree with that statement from g79 and if anyone else wrote it i would agree as well ,people of a religious bent always say it's gods work when things go their way but always lay the blame at the door of others when it doesn't ,that goes for all religions ,how many times do you see priests or vicars on tv saying this or that is a tragedy ,where i get annoyed is when they are condemning stuff in one breath ,surely no matter what happens in the world according to their faith it's gods work ,they can't have their cake and eat it. to me the fire was a result of human error and as soon as the inquiry is done then hopefully those involved will be charged with corporate manslaughter simple as. As for race when will people wake up and realise there is only one race on this earth and that is the human race ,skin colour has nothing to do with race ,we all eat sleep sh** and water the same ,the real racists are those idiots who see some one of a different skin colour as belonging to a different race ,why is that i honestly dont know and will never understand why people who maybe need to feel all grown up and politically correct need to classify skin to race to make themselves feel good , the problem with this ,is those who cannot talk or discuss issues with others suddenly play the racist card ,when will they realise to keep bleating on that everyone who disagrees are racist ,these people have in reality taken a serious word and turned it into a cheap throwaway word. the problem is one day you may meet someone who you may call a racist who will take it the way the word was intended and may object in a way that would make you feel uncomfortable. so if you do nothing else useful in life please learn the difference betwixt the words racist and religion What a load of condescending crap! Lack of lack of social housing and the use of private landlords has caused misery for many and lots of easy money for a few and the fire is directly related to the whole problem imo. so as your post suggests you cannot digest others viewpoint, i shall ask a specific set of questions ,and would hope you had the intellect to answer those questions directly without trying to hide behind other subjects ,to make this simple in your own words what is the difference betwixt racism and religion ,and how that fits with your calling a poster a racist . and if your still concentrating on answering direct questions ,what is your take on the fire who is to blame etc I'm sure even you can reply to this post in an adult manner |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 19, 2017 16:32:18 GMT
View AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentSo what do the salutes have in common , the salute was introduced as a socialist pledge of allegiance to the us flag ,it wasn't until the early 40's that america dropped it. did you also know what the 3rd reich swastika represents yup you guessed it socialism ,it takes the form os 2 s's . Yes it make my nipples bleed when people don't understand the origins of the salute and swastika ,and assume far right leanings when used even in their original form. No one in their right mind can see anything sinister in the photo of a 7 year old future Queen . Opinion is divided on the queen mother as some say she had sympathies with nsdap , others say she didn't and thats why she chose to remain in london. So i guess we'll never know but for me it's an interesting subject that i will look into Sorry, I don't think that is what the 3 riech swastika meant. Nothing to do with socialism, it was something to do with Aryan bloodlines and white warrior God's and appropriation of a "good luck" or "well being" symbol. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 19, 2017 20:07:25 GMT
The Swastika was a sign from Bhuddist and Hindu symbology depicting the Sun. The word itself derives from Sanskrit text. It was then appropriated by the Nazis.
The salute was also taken from elsewhere, it started in Italian fascism as a supposed reference to Roman salutes as a way of reinvigorating Italian nationalism.
In fact, the Nazis appropriated many ideas, they also took the idea of concentration camps (Spain), Blitzkrieg (Britain) and fascism (Italy).
Inee is partly correct about the salute being related to American socialism, a Christian Socialist named Bellamy wanted it accepted when swearing the oath but it was dropped (or at least amended) after the Nazis took a variation of it. As far as I can tell, they had no connection other than the style.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 20:27:46 GMT
Semantics
We all know the theory of National Socialism
It's European Wahabbism
No excuse for either
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Post by baggins on Jun 19, 2017 20:32:59 GMT
Semantics We all know the theory of National Socialism It's European Wahabbism No excuse for either You lost me at sem. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 19, 2017 21:42:07 GMT
Semantics We all know the theory of National Socialism It's European Wahabbism No excuse for either Not sure I follow your train of thought, but don't disagree with your last point. |
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Post by inee on Jun 19, 2017 22:03:42 GMT
The Swastika was a sign from Bhuddist and Hindu symbology depicting the Sun. The word itself derives from Sanskrit text. It was then appropriated by the Nazis. The salute was also taken from elsewhere, it started in Italian fascism as a supposed reference to Roman salutes as a way of reinvigorating Italian nationalism. In fact, the Nazis appropriated many ideas, they also took the idea of concentration camps (Spain), Blitzkrieg (Britain) and fascism (Italy). Inee is partly correct about the salute being related to American socialism, a Christian Socialist named Bellamy wanted it accepted when swearing the oath but it was dropped (or at least amended) after the Nazis took a variation of it. As far as I can tell, they had no connection other than the style. the roman salute was with arm raised parallel to the ground( no text from roman times mentions the arm above the shoulder) the bellamy salute was used in the late 1800's in the us during the pledge of allegiance ,the italian fascists started using a form of it in the 1920's ,the italian fascist and nsdap salute was identical to the american salute ,allegedly hitler made up a story of the salute being used by his party 2 years before the italian fascists used it. |
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Post by miltongas on Jun 19, 2017 22:19:36 GMT
Concentration camps were a British invention. First used in the Boer War to hold Afrikaans prisoners but not on the scale of numbers or cruelty associated with National Socialism.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 22:27:03 GMT
What a load of condescending crap! Lack of lack of social housing and the use of private landlords has caused misery for many and lots of easy money for a few and the fire is directly related to the whole problem imo. so as your post suggests you cannot digest others viewpoint, i shall ask a specific set of questions ,and would hope you had the intellect to answer those questions directly without trying to hide behind other subjects ,to make this simple in your own words what is the difference betwixt racism and religion ,and how that fits with your calling a poster a racist . and if your still concentrating on answering direct questions ,what is your take on the fire who is to blame etc I'm sure even you can reply to this post in an adult manner I initially posted on the thread that although i dislike her politics i agreed that charlotte leslie had indeed been a hands on mp,i met her and had a conversation with her on 2 visits she made to my local football club shirehampton fc. In all my years involved in local football ive never seen a real live mp turn up and discuss a local clubs issue. I only usually discuss politics with a tiny group of people mostly like minded,i dont need to argue politics with right wing supporters as i already know and have known for many years that i believe in a socialist labour party which we finally have[ wilsons goverment is arguably the last time we had this]. Somehow ive got embroiled in arguments with people i have nothing to say to,i watch question time and some mainstream news though its bias sickens me and i follow stuff on facebook. I have been to 2 corbyn rallys the last one at birmingham in a large crowd. I didnt think g97"s post about god made them die was very nice,most of the victims were ethnic minority and many muslim,im pretty sure if if say vince cable had made that statement he would be universally vilified as islam phobic and racist and i would agree with that. All ive seen in recent years is the contracting out of public services to private companies who then spend as little as possible during the contract and compromise safety to maximise profit. Dirty hospitals and badly maintained properties used by would be council tenants 2 examples of this. Just across from the disaster are millionaires appartments with sprinkler systems and much more overall fire safety. Wealthy people can have gold plated taps in their bathroom but they should not be any safer than poor people in my view. This goverments arrogance and their reckless police and fire cuts have now bit them on the backside and they are suddenly not quite so arrogant and disdainful as they were. Mind you they are happy to threaten peace in ireland by getting into bed with the dup. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 5:57:45 GMT
I did not say God made them die.
The way the world works is that if you are wealthy, you can afford nicer stuff.
Rich/poor, haves/have nots, whatever. There are opportunities for most people to carve a decent life in this country.
Robin Hood tactics are not fair. If I continue to work hard and earn enough to buy a ni e house in later life, why should I be punished so that the family across the way can have new toys for the 6 kids they never worked to afford?
We have schools so that every child can attend.
There is plenty of employment-so much that we have a huge European community filling jobs.
Get on with it and stop moaning.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 6:12:50 GMT
What complete and utter nonsense. It does show how easy it is though to get people to believe the propaganda.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 20, 2017 6:20:45 GMT
Concentration camps were a British invention. First used in the Boer War to hold Afrikaans prisoners but not on the scale of numbers or cruelty associated with National Socialism. First used (in terms of modern day terminology) by the Spanish in Cuba about 20 years before. The idea was to isolate local support, a type of reverse internment. So many died in the Boer camps was due to disease spreading rapidly amongst close community and British soldiers suffered a high rate too. The Nazis took it to another level entirely and with the extermination camps, the term took a more sinister tone in post war language. |
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Post by gasstrictband on Jun 20, 2017 6:33:47 GMT
Hitler grovelling to the king for a season ticket at Arsenal.
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Post by miltongas on Jun 20, 2017 6:59:42 GMT
Concentration camps were a British invention. First used in the Boer War to hold Afrikaans prisoners but not on the scale of numbers or cruelty associated with National Socialism. First used (in terms of modern day terminology) by the Spanish in Cuba about 20 years before. The idea was to isolate local support, a type of reverse internment. So many died in the Boer camps was due to disease spreading rapidly amongst close community and British soldiers suffered a high rate too. The Nazis took it to another level entirely and with the extermination camps, the term took a more sinister tone in post war language. You are right that the Spanish used them but on this line you could argue the Americans started them. They used them to contain large groups of Native Americans and then to house prisoners of war during the civil war. I believe one of the camp bosses was actually executed for war crimes after the civil war began but I can't be sure. |
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Post by William Wilson on Jun 20, 2017 7:09:11 GMT
The way the world works is that if you are wealthy, you can afford nicer stuff. Rich/poor, haves/have nots, whatever. There are opportunities for most people to carve a decent life in this country. Robin Hood tactics are not fair. If I continue to work hard and earn enough to buy a ni e house in later life, why should I be punished so that the family across the way can have new toys for the 6 kids they never worked to afford? Agree absolutely. |
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Post by LJG on Jun 20, 2017 7:30:26 GMT
so as your post suggests you cannot digest others viewpoint, i shall ask a specific set of questions ,and would hope you had the intellect to answer those questions directly without trying to hide behind other subjects ,to make this simple in your own words what is the difference betwixt racism and religion ,and how that fits with your calling a poster a racist . and if your still concentrating on answering direct questions ,what is your take on the fire who is to blame etc I'm sure even you can reply to this post in an adult manner I initially posted on the thread that although i dislike her politics i agreed that charlotte leslie had indeed been a hands on mp,i met her and had a conversation with her on 2 visits she made to my local football club shirehampton fc. In all my years involved in local football ive never seen a real live mp turn up and discuss a local clubs issue. I only usually discuss politics with a tiny group of people mostly like minded,i dont need to argue politics with right wing supporters as i already know and have known for many years that i believe in a socialist labour party which we finally have[ wilsons goverment is arguably the last time we had this]. Somehow ive got embroiled in arguments with people i have nothing to say to,i watch question time and some mainstream news though its bias sickens me and i follow stuff on facebook.I have been to 2 corbyn rallys the last one at birmingham in a large crowd. I didnt think g97"s post about god made them die was very nice,most of the victims were ethnic minority and many muslim,im pretty sure if if say vince cable had made that statement he would be universally vilified as islam phobic and racist and i would agree with that. All ive seen in recent years is the contracting out of public services to private companies who then spend as little as possible during the contract and compromise safety to maximise profit. Dirty hospitals and badly maintained properties used by would be council tenants 2 examples of this. Just across from the disaster are millionaires appartments with sprinkler systems and much more overall fire safety. Wealthy people can have gold plated taps in their bathroom but they should not be any safer than poor people in my view. This goverments arrogance and their reckless police and fire cuts have now bit them on the backside and they are suddenly not quite so arrogant and disdainful as they were. Mind you they are happy to threaten peace in ireland by getting into bed with the dup. And herein lies your problem. If you think the crap you see on Facebook isn't bias or even largely untrue you are sorely mistaken. Facebook has algorithms to manipulate the political influences you see. That's not a conspiracy theory it's the truth - search for Tristan Harris, former head of ethics at Google and Facebook and hear what he has to say. It's easy to check that most "news" that gets posted there is horse sh**; formerly respectable publications like The Independent are particularly awful. For example The Independent ran an article with the headline that the pound is now worth less than the euro - something perfectly simple not only to disprove but see has never been true. The fact that the blood-monger Jeremy Corbyn (the man who opposed a ceasefire in Northern Ireland, who spoke at Hezbollah rallies, who invited Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRA to Westminster) is being portrayed as a man of peace shows that Facebook's algorithms are succeeding. Facebook themselves aren't able to deny that those algorithms are capable of (and are) being manipulated from Russia. Again that's not a conspiracy theory, just a fact. Read about what's going on in Ukraine. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 20, 2017 7:57:07 GMT
so as your post suggests you cannot digest others viewpoint, i shall ask a specific set of questions ,and would hope you had the intellect to answer those questions directly without trying to hide behind other subjects ,to make this simple in your own words what is the difference betwixt racism and religion ,and how that fits with your calling a poster a racist . and if your still concentrating on answering direct questions ,what is your take on the fire who is to blame etc I'm sure even you can reply to this post in an adult manner I initially posted on the thread that although i dislike her politics i agreed that charlotte leslie had indeed been a hands on mp,i met her and had a conversation with her on 2 visits she made to my local football club shirehampton fc. In all my years involved in local football ive never seen a real live mp turn up and discuss a local clubs issue. I only usually discuss politics with a tiny group of people mostly like minded,i dont need to argue politics with right wing supporters as i already know and have known for many years that i believe in a socialist labour party which we finally have[ wilsons goverment is arguably the last time we had this]. Somehow ive got embroiled in arguments with people i have nothing to say to,i watch question time and some mainstream news though its bias sickens me and i follow stuff on facebook. I have been to 2 corbyn rallys the last one at birmingham in a large crowd. I didnt think g97"s post about god made them die was very nice,most of the victims were ethnic minority and many muslim,im pretty sure if if say vince cable had made that statement he would be universally vilified as islam phobic and racist and i would agree with that. All ive seen in recent years is the contracting out of public services to private companies who then spend as little as possible during the contract and compromise safety to maximise profit. Dirty hospitals and badly maintained properties used by would be council tenants 2 examples of this. Just across from the disaster are millionaires appartments with sprinkler systems and much more overall fire safety. Wealthy people can have gold plated taps in their bathroom but they should not be any safer than poor people in my view. This goverments arrogance and their reckless police and fire cuts have now bit them on the backside and they are suddenly not quite so arrogant and disdainful as they were. Mind you they are happy to threaten peace in ireland by getting into bed with the dup. It's probably best to widen your network as it at least helps to see things from other viewpoints, I also hope you are not referring to me as a right winger as I certainly am not. From a personal point of view, I have spent a lot of time in hospital and they are very clean with no private companies involved, apart from the occasional agency nurse. That isn't to say there is a problem as I only see a tiny percentage. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 9:13:07 GMT
I initially posted on the thread that although i dislike her politics i agreed that charlotte leslie had indeed been a hands on mp,i met her and had a conversation with her on 2 visits she made to my local football club shirehampton fc. In all my years involved in local football ive never seen a real live mp turn up and discuss a local clubs issue. I only usually discuss politics with a tiny group of people mostly like minded,i dont need to argue politics with right wing supporters as i already know and have known for many years that i believe in a socialist labour party which we finally have[ wilsons goverment is arguably the last time we had this]. Somehow ive got embroiled in arguments with people i have nothing to say to,i watch question time and some mainstream news though its bias sickens me and i follow stuff on facebook.I have been to 2 corbyn rallys the last one at birmingham in a large crowd. I didnt think g97"s post about god made them die was very nice,most of the victims were ethnic minority and many muslim,im pretty sure if if say vince cable had made that statement he would be universally vilified as islam phobic and racist and i would agree with that. All ive seen in recent years is the contracting out of public services to private companies who then spend as little as possible during the contract and compromise safety to maximise profit. Dirty hospitals and badly maintained properties used by would be council tenants 2 examples of this. Just across from the disaster are millionaires appartments with sprinkler systems and much more overall fire safety. Wealthy people can have gold plated taps in their bathroom but they should not be any safer than poor people in my view. This goverments arrogance and their reckless police and fire cuts have now bit them on the backside and they are suddenly not quite so arrogant and disdainful as they were. Mind you they are happy to threaten peace in ireland by getting into bed with the dup. And herein lies your problem. If you think the crap you see on Facebook isn't bias or even largely untrue you are sorely mistaken. Facebook has algorithms to manipulate the political influences you see. That's not a conspiracy theory it's the truth - search for Tristan Harris, former head of ethics at Google and Facebook and hear what he has to say. It's easy to check that most "news" that gets posted there is horse sh**; formerly respectable publications like The Independent are particularly awful. For example The Independent ran an article with the headline that the pound is now worth less than the euro - something perfectly simple not only to disprove but see has never been true. The fact that the blood-monger Jeremy Corbyn (the man who opposed a ceasefire in Northern Ireland, who spoke at Hezbollah rallies, who invited Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRA to Westminster) is being portrayed as a man of peace shows that Facebook's algorithms are succeeding. Facebook themselves aren't able to deny that those algorithms are capable of (and are) being manipulated from Russia. Again that's not a conspiracy theory, just a fact. Read about what's going on in Ukraine. I know you think everybody is stupid apart from you but i already know facebook shows you stuff that panders to your interests and political bias its bloody obvious,just as bbc and sky news news clearly have an establishment bias so i try to balance all news available. what i tried to say early in this thread is that at last there is a proper socialist labour party for me to vote in line with my political beliefs. The blair years and wishy washy milliband simply mimicked conservatives which to me was pointless. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 9:18:56 GMT
I initially posted on the thread that although i dislike her politics i agreed that charlotte leslie had indeed been a hands on mp,i met her and had a conversation with her on 2 visits she made to my local football club shirehampton fc. In all my years involved in local football ive never seen a real live mp turn up and discuss a local clubs issue. I only usually discuss politics with a tiny group of people mostly like minded,i dont need to argue politics with right wing supporters as i already know and have known for many years that i believe in a socialist labour party which we finally have[ wilsons goverment is arguably the last time we had this]. Somehow ive got embroiled in arguments with people i have nothing to say to,i watch question time and some mainstream news though its bias sickens me and i follow stuff on facebook. I have been to 2 corbyn rallys the last one at birmingham in a large crowd. I didnt think g97"s post about god made them die was very nice,most of the victims were ethnic minority and many muslim,im pretty sure if if say vince cable had made that statement he would be universally vilified as islam phobic and racist and i would agree with that. All ive seen in recent years is the contracting out of public services to private companies who then spend as little as possible during the contract and compromise safety to maximise profit. Dirty hospitals and badly maintained properties used by would be council tenants 2 examples of this. Just across from the disaster are millionaires appartments with sprinkler systems and much more overall fire safety. Wealthy people can have gold plated taps in their bathroom but they should not be any safer than poor people in my view. This goverments arrogance and their reckless police and fire cuts have now bit them on the backside and they are suddenly not quite so arrogant and disdainful as they were. Mind you they are happy to threaten peace in ireland by getting into bed with the dup. It's probably best to widen your network as it at least helps to see things from other viewpoints, I also hope you are not referring to me as a right winger as I certainly am not. From a personal point of view, I have spent a lot of time in hospital and they are very clean with no private companies involved, apart from the occasional agency nurse. That isn't to say there is a problem as I only see a tiny percentage. Im at a stage in life where i know my mind so i get other viewpoints from media rather than frustrating conversations,i prefer not to talk politics in life mostly. Thanks for letting me know there is no private contracting in the nhs,i must have just be imagining such a thing. |
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